[Closed] Oh dear... Trump's on the home straight.....

Yep, disturbing news to wake up too. I'm nervous about this, after all they voted* in that idiot Bush twice

*OK, they didn't really, there were 'voting irregularities' tat got him over the line.

Unbelievable isn't it - still it might be okay in the end. Democratics are usually better for us and the rest of the world and like our own two-party-system (for the most part) you win an election by gaining the middle ground. Should make Clinton's job easier.

It's not politics, it's showbiz. So if we're not going to have a sensible discussion, we may as well enjoy the show. I for one can't wait for the dirt that Clinton can sling at him. A man like that must have so much stuff in the closet.

Clinton's plan all along must surely have been to dig up as much dirt as possible but hold it back until Trumps nomination is secure. Then hit him with everything. The only problem will be if Sanders has a last minute fight back. Trump vs Sanders would be uncomfortably close. Trump knows this and I'm sure he'd much rather fight Sanders. Because Trumps crossed the line early, he has a bit of time to try and influence the democratic nomination.

Trump. Hur hur

Was he ever the 5000:1 outsider?

😀

It's like a game of really high stakes poker. If you want to guarantee a democrat for president the best thing is a batshite crazy republican nominee. Tick. But it might, just might go horribly wrong. Then we build the walls for him and close the borders for 20 years and let the yanks either eat themselves and shoot each other to death until sanity has returned.

I may in a minority here, but I relish all this batshit mental uncertainty, the hobsons' choices: trump/sanders, in/out of EU, Corbyn vs Gove/Johnson etc.

It's like looking into a cage of armed fighting monkeys wearing tutus and lipstick.

A bit of disruption to shake things up a bit. Bring it!

He could get in as Pres given what's happened in the past, those controversial chads anyone? Mind he does not have a brother as govenor of a state. Can't see that the republicans will push someone in above him (it has been done before) but you never know. Reckon they'll right off the next Presidential term and come back with a better candidate if Hilary messes up. The republicans often have more power when they control the congress and the senate.

I could be completely wrong, again.

[i]I relish all this batshit mental uncertainty[/i]

If I didn't think that a Trump presidency would make things *a lot* worse for huge numbers of people in the world for decades to come I'd agree.

It's not Trump that's the problem - it's the people he'd bring in to actually formulate policies and do stuff that will cause the damage.

As far as the GOP is concerned, they've reaped what they'd sown - the Tea Party must be sat there with their jaws in their laps now.

I like Trump seems to be pretty straightforward and no worse than any of the others, I don't see the big deal..

.

I like Trump seems to be pretty straightforward and no worse than any of the others

That's been part of the problem - the other candidates were terrible as well.

joolsburger - Member
I like Trump seems to be pretty straightforward and no worse than any of the others, I don't see the big deal..

And not a moose limb

Clinton's plan all along must surely have been to dig up as much dirt as possible but hold it back until Trumps nomination is secure.

She's already tried that but the public don't seem to care.

Was he ever the 5000:1 outsider?

Its now a 2 horse race and even Obama was mocking Hilary. There is a very good chance that Trump wins the Presidency. We've discussed this at length on other threads but Trump is many Americans view of an anti-establishment candidate and a very familiar face representing business success via hosting "The Apprentice" - for a good insight watch an episode on BBC iPlayer

Clinton's plan all along must surely have been to dig up as much dirt as possible but hold it back until Trumps nomination is secure.

She's already tried that but the public don't seem to care.

Too right. If he's going to make America great again (by banning, barricading and bombing) then he could fillet millions of newborn immigrants on a butcher's block in Times square, cook them on ancient redwoods (freshly felled for the event), serve the wretched meats on rye with pickle in Chinese-manufactured styrofoam containers and yet still gain popularity. He's golden. Like his hair.

Its now a 2 horse race and even Obama was mocking Hilary. There is a very good chance that Trump wins the Presidency.

Also most of the polls for the last 6 months have been anyone but Trump for president (general election not primary)

To dismiss Trump is to dismiss the deep antipathy many many Americans have of the government and the coastal elites, they hate being talked down to any everytime a smart arse journalist, actor, comedian or politician queues up to slam Trump they see it as the 'establishment' gangng up on him and they root for him even harder.

As far as they're concerned Clinton is pretty much the embodiment of that 'establishment' (and, you can't deny that they have a point there) and Sanders is basically a communist out to tax them all to death.

The trouble is that Clinton has been around so long and has so much baggage that she's just not that inspiring and it's going to be very hard to motivate people to go out and vote for her, whereas 'Team Angry' who are backing Trump will turn out in thier droves.

The Tories here have a similar tactic of courting the Daily Mail readers whilst screwing the young, Paul Dacre's readers may be ill informed and myopic but unlike the bright young things in thier teens and 20's, they all vote!

If Obama could run again he'd walk it, Clinton I'm not so sure and much of it hinges on what happens over the next month, one terrorist attack on the mainland U.S. and we could be staring down the barrel of President Trump.

I like Trump seems to be pretty straightforward and no worse than any of the others, I don't see the big deal.

I assume your a straight white bloke then..

+1.

Trump is a worry.

Reminds me of this guy:

[img] [/img]

All empires fall

President Trump = the beginning of the end for America as a superpower

Trumps in the running now, backed up on stage by some political heavy hitters (Cameron Diaz & sharapova!)

Makes sense I suppose...

[img] [/img]

[img] [/img]

Is it time to start hoarding tinned food and bury that shipping container on the garden yet?

Another quick summary
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/

The 'showbiz' comment above is spot on...America seems to be a sucker for a spectacle and Trump invariably delivers.

If Trump is elected I'm tempted to veto holidays in America while he's in the Whitehouse.

Did you see the pictures of Obama with the Royal family last week...could you imagine Trump in his place? "Hi there Queenie...it's a pleasure to meet me".

All in all I think I'd find the prospect of Ted Cruz as president even scarier than the prospect of Trump getting into the White House.

When you actually looked behind the horror show of Trump, and looked at the policies of Cruz, it turns out he was actually twice as terrifying as 'The Donald'

How has mainstream politics become so detached and unrepresentative of the people that they see either of these lunatics as the solution? Hilary Clinton is exactly how. She represents the neoliberal corporatist continuation, which couldn't give a toss about ordinary people. That people are so disenfranchised that they'd vote for Trump is a damning indictment of both the main parties, and what they've become

All in all I think I'd find the prospect of Ted Cruz as president even scarier than the prospect of Trump getting into the White House.

Agreed. He is loathed even within his own party for being an odious bastard.

If it's a choice between Clinton and Trump.....well, for a split second Clinton being a pseudo-democrat almosts makes me consider the Golden One.

America may not realise what it had before it's gone...he had flaws, but damn did he have delivery.

There is no doubt that he is a clown and says everything that pops into his orange head but it is hard to say what the future will hold because he doesn't seem to be sharing any of his policies.

That could mean that he doesn't have any or it could be a well thought out plan. I am guessing the former.

Off topic but I did enjoy the time he announced that he is worth XXX billion so he can make America worth several hundred XXX billions. Somebody then pointed out that all the money he has was left to him and if he had put the money in the bank and spent the last 30 years finger painting, he would be worth about 3 times what he is now 😀

Shame, I always fancied moving to California and was planning a long holiday there. This might sound a bit knee-jerk but I simply cannot help feeling I do not want to go there if someone like Trump is in power.

It's a sorry, sorry state for a country to be in and former presidents must be rolling in their graves. Will be a shame to see Obama go.

It's a shame Arnie isn't allowed to run for president.

She will get killed with that strategy as there is far more dirt in her past

Naaa, if there was dirt it would have been dug up long ago. And anything already in the open is old news.

How has mainstream politics become so detached and unrepresentative of the people that they see either of these lunatics as the solution? Hilary Clinton is exactly how. She represents the neoliberal corporatist continuation, which couldn't give a toss about ordinary people. That people are so disenfranchised that they'd vote for Trump is a damning indictment of both the main parties, and what they've become

Both written with an anti-Trump sentiment, but it gives a narrative of how they got there.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/03/tea-party-donald-trump-ted-cruz/
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-tea-party-divide-20160318-story.html

I like Trump seems to be pretty straightforward and no worse than any of the others, I don't see the big deal

That's the issue. He is often on both sides of the fence depending on who is interviewing him/who his audience is. What we don't know is which side he'll be on if/when he's in power

I put £25 on John Kasich to win the presidency at 370:1.

Come on, the second ballot in a contested convention!

Send over Humphrey and Bernard. That'll learn 'em

Nah, the yanks will never elect a slobbering right wing maniac. Oh, hang on.

Now we will witness Trump furiously back-pedalling away from the extreme crap that got him nominated in a desperate attempt to sway some more 'moderate' (I use that word advisedly) American voters. Happens every time.

joolsburger

I like Trump seems to be pretty straightforward and no worse than any of the others, I don't see the big deal..

😯 Oh dear

Now we will witness Trump furiously back-pedalling away from the extreme crap that got him nominated in a desperate attempt to sway some more 'moderate' (I use that word advisedly) American voters. Happens every time.

+1 Cruz is scarier

Either way it's more about the party than the President, and again depends on what else that party controls.

"And to think, it all began with the simple yet powerful belief that the first black president is a Kenyan imposter."

Trump is wrong on 'enhanced interrogation' and wrong on survielance but the democrats on these issues are bipartisan - Trump may fare better on trade deals and curtailing corporate welfare and deep state projects - If you don't think Trump is legitimate then that's one thing but parroting faux liberal media narratives is somewhat discrediting - How often does one hear say 'Trump is Racist' and yet there is no evidence to back this up - He hasn't claimed that Muslim's who aren't actually a race should be banned more over that there needs to be a halt to fast tracked immigration from countries associated with Islamic terrorism - The exact same sentiment as Louis Farrakhan from the Nation of Islam - As well of the majority of hard working immigrants that went through long lengthy and legitimate visa processing - If you follow the money it's not hard to see how much is being spent on anti Trump advertising and we all know what a gravy train war is for Washington - Trump is the least war mongering candidate in the running .. I think he'll struggle with Congress but who wouldn't aside from the cronies ..

Errrr...he was pretty specific about banning muslims from entering the US, including american citizens.

Reading through the biographies of Trump and Cruz is pretty scary.

In the case of Cruz, he's a product of Princeton and clearly isn't as dumb as you'd think, yet he's claimed that there is no valid scientific proof of man made Climate Change, he's claimed that most criminals vote Democrat and that being Pro Life means having a death penalty.

Clearly - and this is the crux of all that's broken with modern politics - we've a bunch of wannabe politicians who simply surrender their principles in favour of adopting whatever mantra is dictated by their Bible Belt supporters and or whatever oil company that happens to contribute to party funds.

Whatever his motivation, Trump befouls the airwaves with xenophobia that was once the sole preserve of fringe politics and has drawn it into mainstream discussion. I can't work out whether he's a just a colossally dumb rich racist or whether he's actively trying to discredit the Republic Party every time he opens his mouth.

Meanwhile, waiting in the wings is Hillary Clinton, who appears to have an extremely murky relationship with the corporate world, not to mention the fact that her powers of recall of a visit to the Balkans in the 1990s seem to have been confused with the film Behind Enemy Lines.

In the case of Cruz, he's a product of Princeton and clearly isn't as dumb as you'd think

I in no way think Cruz is dumb. That's the scary part.

So this mornings comment was in no way tongue in cheek. I like Trump. Much of the stuff that's parroted about him and things he is supposed to have said don't actually stand up under any sort of scrutiny.

Yes he has made lots of comments I really don't agree with, yes he is in many ways a proper bastard and yes I am both white and straight (whoever asked).

However for so many to lie so utterly and completely about his stance makes me think he's scaring people I dislike more and that's always a plus.

America's foreign policy has been a disaster and Trump does seem at least aware of that, what they get up to at home ...meh..

Drumpf befouls the airwaves with xenophobia that was once the sole preserve of fringe politics and has drawn it into mainstream discussion.

Depends on your definition of 'mainstream discussion'. Either the kind that happens on CBS or the kind that happens among the population at large. The worrying thing is that xenophobia seems to be well-entrenched with the majority of GOP voters and quite possible a majority of voters generally. If that isn't reflected in mainstream media, then arguably, it is mainstream media that at odds with this truth.

It is starting to look like Drumpf represents a larger chunk of people than just 'the fringe'. Hopefully not.

Either way, I wish the Democrats had a more inspiring candidate.

Much of the stuff that's parroted about him and things he is supposed to have said don't actually stand up under any sort of scrutiny.

Like what?

Either way, I wish the Democrats had a more inspiring candidate.

Bernie Sanders! It's a shame he's not going to quite get over the line. I stay out of political discussion here as I'm just a visitor, albeit a long term one.

I heard someone say "Bernie Sanders, he want's to turn us in to Cuba or something" I had to counter with "Or Norway".

I really like this place, but some things are totally f%$ked. It feels like there are extremely powerful forces that back the status quo of steady widening of inequality.

Meanwhile any suggestion of change is met with fear or hopelessness.

Like what?

Like he never actually said that 'all Mexicans were rapists' and he never actually said 'we should ban all Muslisms from entering the country'.

Like Noltae said, much of what the left wing/liberal media reports is a contrivance or misrepresentation of the facts to suit their's and others' agendas and world view.

I don't think he would be a good president, I don't think he's credible, and think he's poorly spoken and somewhat ignorant. I don't think he's quite the ogre that a lot of (themselves ignorant) people would have you believe.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video

You only need to last for about 20 seconds to hear him say ban all Muslims

total and complete shutdown...from entering

No chance of trump getting in. They're both Rothschild babies. But Hilary is the preferred option, land of the free? Haha

In fairness half the crap he's come out with would never get past the legislature but he's ridden a wave of hate and fear, hell go all nicey nicey economic liberal now to gain some centre votes but he's a man bereft of any principal that doesn't start and end with his self.

Of heck - Hillary is almost a shoe in now!!!

he never actually said that 'all Mexicans were rapists'

Not "all", just the ones entering the US:

Also http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_us_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b

Not "all", just the ones entering the US:

Yes, exactly. So not at all what was reported.

Like I said, I don't like him, I think he'd make a terrible president, I think he's ill spoken and unsophisticated. But he's not what the liberal media claim him to be.

My point is that you cannot call someone out for being ignorant by also being ignorant yourself. That just makes you a hypocrite.

But he's not what the liberal media claim him to be.

I'll think you'll find it's not just the liberal media who disapprove.

Yes, exactly. So not at all what was reported.

Have we got a credible link for a report that Trump said that all Mexicans are rapists?

Look, he said what he said to whip up controversy, especially from the, for want of a better word, I'll use yours, "liberal" media, so he can then say "hey look everybody, the liberals are misquoting me, they're twisting my words, whereas, look at me, I'm a stand up guy. Some of my best friends are Mexicans. My businesses couldn't survive without them."*

*not a quote.

He's clearly not ignorant. He does however say ignorant things for an ignorant audience.

I'll think you'll find it's not just the liberal media who disapprove.

No and rightly so. As I said, I am not making the argument that he's likable or even credibly. He's making arguments to appeal to a numnber of political spectrums not all of which are people I'd ever want to have to dinner let alone vote for.

I feel sure that he will split the republican vote and help Clinton into office. If it happens it will be ridiculous

I think it's a pretty subtle distinction between someone who is actually xenophobic and someone who isn't but is prepared to say xenophobic things and suggest xenophobic policies to win votes.

If anything I'd say the latter is worse, because at least the former is honest.

Someone like, say...Zac Goldsmith? 🙂

So not at all what was reported.

mrsfry - Member
joolsburger
I like Trump seems to be pretty straightforward and no worse than any of the others, I don't see the big deal..

Oh dear

The exact same sentiment as Louis Farrakhan from the Nation of Islam -

Another nutjob.

 

So it's Clinton, Trump and maybe Sanders.

Clinton appears to be a liar very much out for herself first and her countrymen second, she flip flops more than any of the candidates and is in a bit of trouble re her email accounts a great way to start your term.

Bernie is a lovely bloke no doubt, he makes the most sense in many ways however this is America and unfortunately the self described socialist just can't get past the lack of empathy for others that much of America seems to have. They don't seem ready to move to our kind of socialism, he'd be taken to the cleaners on Capitol Hill. I fear he lacks the wherewithal to actually beat Clinton but may do enough damage to her to open the door for-

Thedonald - So he's mad as a box of hammers, loudmouthed and odious however could he actually make what he wants to happen, happen? I doubt it, he'd need support & budget he does not have, maybe trump would be the first single term president in a while and in the meantime the demmycrats can find a better option than Clinton for the next election. Trump might actually be the less awful option for the short term.

Clinton is no more up to the job than Trump but she'd do more damage in office than Donald.

So on Balance I like Trump for president best of a bad choice for now.

someone who is actually xenophobic and someone who isn't but is prepared to say xenophobic things and suggest xenophobic policies to win votes.

Given enough time, those two people become indistinguishable