[Closed] off leads dog moan

I'm sure all the selfish dog owners will be along shortly to tell you to 'chill out'. 🙄 😉

chill out !!!!! ? when its your dog thats screaming in fear i can tell you this is not a happy thing to go through...its clearly upsetting for my dog and myself !

Let you dog off its lead also.

Dogs feel restricted when on a lead, and so will act differently and also IMO dogs not on leads act differently to dogs on leads.

For example; riding on Saturday with my dog (sporting cocker) and we went past a large Rottweiler (on a lead). My dog stopped to sniff at him/her, and within in flash they're both at each others throats. No idea why?

Take your dog somewhere else?

You can't exercise a dog on a lead properly anyway. They need to run about, jump in water, fetch sticks etc.

elaine, he wasn't telling you to chill out.

b r is dead right, let your dog off its lead and don't pick it up. It makes any problems much worse.

Elaine - sorry wasn't telling you to chill out, it just seems to be the attitude of many dog owners that if you don't like being harassed by out of control dogs then you are uptight.

For example; riding on Saturday with my dog (sporting cocker) and we went past a large Rottweiler (on a lead). My dog stopped to sniff at him/her, and within in flash they're both at each others throats. No idea why?

Was your dog on a lead?

If the park isn't safe and the authorities aren't bothered about enforcing their policies I think it's time to move on.

One thing I was told when I was younger and we had a family dog, was that if our dog was attacked we should let go of the lead so that it can defend itself.

I can remember walking our dog and seeing an alsation charging towards us from about 100 yds away, with it's owner shouting at it to come back. It attacked our dog, who fought back and got away with a few scratches until the owner [u]walked[/u] up and pulled him off saying [i]'sorry he's a bit boisterous'[/i].

I understand your concern, it was frightening (especially considering I was about 15 at the time) and I immediately had visions of our dog being ripped to shreds.

My wife wants a sausage dog, but with the amount of chavs in our area walking staffs I can't see it lasting very long. I wonder if that's why people buy big dogs so that they can be confident it's not going to be torn to shreds when it comes to walkies.

ive taken my dog away from a small park already so i dont bump into my dogs attacker....i go to the main park now, but clearly my dog is unsettled when faced with situations.... i have him on two or three leads joined together and he jumps up for sticks and runs round in big circles (i can walk also whilst he is running in circles (ive trained him to do this (lol).... hes happy enuff on his own (he doesnt like any dogs anymore and ive tried many 'ceasar milan' stuff with him, but like i said other dogs make him very nervous... he,s protecting me too much in his own way as well.

Dogs fight sometimes, it's just what they do

heard this before somewhere

however i like the way you managed to thread "wont someone please think of the children" into your poor rant.

2 or 3 leads joined together! i can help you there, email me and i will post you a 10m tracking line free of charge.

Dogs fight sometimes, it's just what they do

I'm guessing you've wrote that to get a reaction,either that or you're incredibly dumb....

But its true! Dogs do fight - even the nicest family pets can turn on other dogs if the mood takes them.

They're pack animals...they give off vibes that you aren't aware of but other dogs are. Perhaps sniffing another dogs a$$ is a dominating action so the other dog is within it's rights to turn round and give it a nip. In fact, whenever my dog was sniffed it did look a bit sheepish like it was thinking 'ok, i don't like it but I'll let you have a good sniff anyway'.

Sheepdogs (family pets rather than working dogs) will round up groups of children in the park nipping at their heels. This will identify the dog as temperamental, and unsuitable to be around children. But from the dogs perspective, the children were all standing around in a messy fashion and needed to be rounded up.

When we first got him our dog was lovely when Dad was at home, but it used to go for us children and my Mum when he was out. He wasn't inherently violent, he was just trying to understand his position in the 'pack'. We took him to the vet and he said he should be put down, instead my Mum took him to that dog trainer who used to be on TV (Barbara Woodhouse). She suggested a dog training plan and also cutting his balls off, after a while he was the nicest family dog you could get.

Big harsh that your Dad had has his balls cut off Hamish!

hehe..yeah. I think that's why he started to behave himself, it wasn't a hormonal thing, he was just worried we'd cut something else off.

haha...just re-read your post. Yes, Dad behaved himself from then on.

Dogs off-lead next to children's swings? Mm, that's a smart combination for all concerned.

its ok the owners saying oh my dogs fine he wont hurt a flea

Assuming that to be correct, you've still got the problem of dogs using a play area as a toilet, and conversely the risk of the dogs getting brained by the swings.

[i]theres plenty of woodland areas in our park to let the dog off lead[/i]

Take your dog there then?

My dog is one of the "won't hurt a flea" types, but put her on a lead and she can be aggressive with other dogs (for a wimp).

I have heard that a dog on a lead is more likley to fight another dog. The reasoning is that the owner tends to tense up holding the lead when another dog comes bounding over to sniff etc. The dog senses this tensing and interprets it as the owner is under threat and so the dog goes into 'defend my pack leader' and gets more agressive. So while the dog running over initiates the contact the dog on the lead initiates the aggression.
FWIW if I walk my dogs in areas where there are other dogs off the lead I always have some ground pepper in a tub. Throw that in the faces of fighting dogs and they soon stop.

I'm guessing you've wrote that to get a reaction,either that or you're incredibly dumb....

But its true! Dogs do fight - even the nicest family pets can turn on other dogs if the mood takes them.

I know they do,mine does that's why I keep him on a lead.But some people seem to think it's ok that they fight,which what I was replying to...

Sounds like you need to go back to training classes, to build yours and your dogs confidence up again. If your dog is screaming, then it is probably doing it to defend you and itself, it feels it needs to protect you, I'm not going to go into all of it, I think I could probably write an Essay on it.
I recently re-trained a friends dog with a similar problem, took about 2 weeks and a further month of the owner de-sensitising the dog.

Highly recommend the Citizenship Awards if you haven't done them already, imo people shouldn't own a dog if they aren't prepared to take these lessons/awards.

I have heard that a dog on a lead is more likley to fight another dog. The reasoning is that the owner tends to tense up holding the lead...

I live on the coast... certain parts of the beach are used by hundreds and hundreds of dog walkers every day of the year.. all off the leash and all seemingly enjoying each others company..

Off the lead is key.

Mine hates being sniffed by another while he is on the lead. Let them off and they will all sort themselves out. Its only hangbags.

liking the idea of the children herding sheepdog. Where can I get one?

Go to your local kids' playground and ask about the "dogging" available there. You'll soon be pointed in the right direction I'm sure.

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man up woman, its no wonder your dogs such a wimp

Keeping your dog away from other dogs is the worst thing you can do in this situation

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get your dog one of those sid snott spiky leather neck collars. that'll learn the other dogs to keep away m8.

an attacked dog never forgets....hes a timid whippet as it is...now his mind has been changed by the ferocious attack (doesnt trust any dog now...
the stitches took months to heal (infact the vets had to unstitch him at one point cos it didnt heal....in the end we had to let it scab over with him wearing a dof t-shirt fro months to keep the wound clean... as whippets dont have much furry fur (his never really grew back...he has a scar with alot less fur now.... i DONT want him attacked agin which is why i use an extended lead now...
anagallis_arvensis (man up - ? 👿

Do you have other doggy friends who your dog can hang out with to get him back on form and get used to being around other dogs again?

My dog has been used for this purpose a few times, offering robust and healthy play but also knowing when not to step over the line and being sensitive to other dogs insecurities. The last thing you want to do is allow him to become de-socialised. More dogs not less dogs is the answer for your pooch.

[edit] - Also, if he is a whippet you really need to get him off the lead, them dogs are born to run run run!

I can walk my springer off a lead anywhere - including along footpaths (which i dont do regularly- but can do) he comes back when told to to my feet and stays on command.

However I have had issues with other peoples dog running up to him and nearly jumping on him to play - sometimes from large distances too - he takes offence and greets them with a little growl which their owner takes offence at - as if its my dogs fault - he was minding his own business.

My dog is the behaved & trained one who is only interested in his tennis ball but because another is out of control they look at me as if its my fault.

I dont think its fair to say keep them on a leader all the time though - how can a springer get the right exercise on a leader all its walks.

i,ll try that ...my hubbys mate has an older dog (he bigger than my dog so yeah i must try to socialise him agin ...he is sooo timid but puts up a 'front' at the same time...

Ours was a springer...we couldn't keep him on the lead at all times so had to take him places where he could run around to his hearts content and jump in any river/lake/sea/pond/puddle he comes across.

He had a few arguments with other dogs but never anything serious, he was a big dog (I think cutting his balls off messed up his hormones and he grew big).

Before him my parents adopted an adult dog from an aunt, he was an absolute nightmare...running off after other dogs, not doing what he was told. He ended up going to a local dog breeder as she said she could control him - he probably spent the rest of his days as the canine equivalent of Hugh Hefner.

If you want to keep him on the lead, get one of those extending leads.

If your dog pulls a lot on the lead, get a [url= http://www.halti.co.uk/ ]halti[/url].

If you want to keep him on the lead, get one of those extending leads.

I have always had a bit of a problem with those leads. When the dog is on the lead, he should behave like it, when he is not, he is free to do as he chooses within reason. The boundaries of each are very important.

Surely those extending leads just train the dog to pull against the resistance?

I guess so...I've never used them, just thought it would be better than joining 3 leads together as elaine anne has done.

Our first dog (the naughty one) had one, but I was too young to use it...now I remember my Dad coming home with a groove in one of his fingers because he grabbed the rope on the extending lead and it burnt through his finger as it ran through his hand. I think I take back my advice to get one now I've remembered that.

I have not read all the thread but one point is that dogs do not have to be on a lead at all times. They have to be under control at all times and in scotland at least under close control if livestock are present.

If you haven't trained your dog properly and it needs to be on a lead to be under control then it must be on a lead at all times. However if your dog is properly trained then its fine not to be on a lead. It must come when called or freeze on command tho

Sorry to hear about your dogs attack. Agree with Torminalis, it does work just dont expect things to change overnight.

We have a rescue greyhound who was attacked just before we got her, she arrived with lots of stitches and was in a terrible state. She is a timid type anyway but we try and keep her mixing with other dogs, join friends who have dogs and go for walks. Also, my Mother has a whippet and our Greyhound has really sparked up a friendship and is learning that not all dogs are out to hurt her. She is getting there, slowly but it is worth the effort for them for sure.

You really need to do this as often as you can and build their confidence back up. Perhaps see if there is a dog training place nearby and see if there is a class that you and your dog can join in with just to socialise them.
A good dog trainer will be able to help you out and get your dog back on the mend.

thankyou smudger : sound advice 😉

Get some 'Pet Corrector' spray and / or carry some ground pepper as previously suggested.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corrector-Training-Spray-Barking-Chewing/dp/B001F40O38

The spray is just compressed air, but dogs really dislike the noise, so may help should any future confrontations occur.

I have always had a bit of a problem with those leads. When the dog is on the lead, he should behave like it, when he is not, he is free to do as he chooses within reason. The boundaries of each are very important.

Surely those extending leads just train the dog to pull against the resistance?

Not at all,mine has both & he soon worked that he could run about on the play one(the extending one),but couldn't on the other one, so just stays at my side.The breeder I bought him off had play leads & show leads for her dogs,she said the dogs soon learnt which was which....

Also sorry to hear about your whippet and the resulting problems.

Regarding leads - our dog had an extending one whilst he was being trained - came in very useful on hols at Mum's house on Skye - the place is crawling with bl00dy sheep. He's only ever on it now if he's being looked after by friends / relations who aren't happy with letting him run free.

He has a normal lead too, which comes with me on every walk, but rarely (perhaps once a month) gets used. He walks heel when asked to (Damn, but did that take some work!!) and will WAIT! too, which is useful!

Strongly agree about keeping your dog used to other dogs - perhaps the extender lead could be a useful 'interim' accessory, allowing him a bit of jiggling space when approached by other dogs, and until he is ready to walk without one? Also agree that a whippet on a leash for life would be a far sadder thing than a whippet with the odd skirmish 🙂

ok heres an extract from the paper (very interesting)...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/pets/7587312/Dogs-banned-from-almost-all-parks-in-council-area.html

Erm - isn't that more about dogcr@p issues than lead issues?

it is yes but still they have to be on leads and banned off certain areas ! so at least there are dog wardens around in some places and it appears to be working...

Not sure it will TBH - we had dog wardens here in Sunderland when I was a student working a summer on the beach. These guys supposedly had the power to give 'on-the-spot' fines to anyone allowing their dog to foul the beach.

In practice though, they had absolutely no power and were consistently ignored or told to F right OFF. The kind of folk who allow their dogs to crap everywhere and don't bother picking it up (or flicking it into bushes in rural places) are never going to meekly stand there and accept a fine.

anagallis_arvensis (man up - ?

twas a joke! Maybe a very poor one.

As far as my advice it would be as said try and socialise our dog with some nice dogs, even if your dog is scared at first try and persist. Find a big wide open space that is enclosed. My lurcher is part whippet and prone to being quite timid around bigger dogs, but when she is able to realise that the big rottie or whatever cannot get to within 20m of her unless she wants it too she gets less worried, in fact she then taunts other dogs less blessed in speed capabilities. On the lead she's a nightmare with big dogs.

so you dont want the tracking line then? ive not got an email.

its a serious offer, i used the line for the first three weeks after i got a rescue dobe and its since lain in the cupboard unused.

that way your whippet will be able to run about and you can still reel him in.

I nearly had a set to with a dog owner over a similar incident on a quiet walk on the wye....their dog came over to attack my parent's terrier which promptly hide behind my legs meaning the bloody thing nearly bit me. They were less than impressed when I gave it a fairly strong kick to the stomach. Seriously if it's likely to attack people it needs to be muzzled

Dogs feed off the owners vibe (as has been said above) and the only time I've had a problem has been with owners shouting and screaming at their own dog and in turn mine (who are under control).

I was very heartened to see my usually very placid black lab (off lead but within 10 feet of me) have a right go at at an aggressive Jack Russell yesterday which had run fully 50 yards to have a fight, closely pursued by its shouting owner who had no control over it whatsoever. This was the 5th or 6th time he has been attacked by a JR and I think he'd finally had enough and sent the little b@st@rd whimpering back to its owner.

The owner was most apologetic and we ended up walking up the path for a bit with absolutely no problem from his 2 JR's and my 2 BL's. It's often just a case of dogs getting used to other dogs but very difficult with some of the complete dickheads who look upon dogs as a status symbol and haven't a clue how to train them or show consideration to other people/dogs. Not surprising really as that is how many of them go about their lives anyway.