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[i]Do you use the same strategy with your own kids?[/i]
Hands up, I don't have kids. I do have nephews and a niece, and I have no problem saying no to them when they pester after something. Their parents seem to be able to do the same too.
[i]no but it does remove free sporting facilities and provide you with fast food everywhere[/i]
Well, free sporting facilities would be good, but they aren't essential and no-one is forced to buy the fast food.
[i]its probably harder to be healthier now than in times gone for "societal" reasons. [/i]
Absolute tosh. For one thing fresh fruit and veg are available year round, and they're cheap; that wasn't the case not so very long ago. Never mind access to clean water, cheap meat, a free health service and readily available health advice. And people still have feet, it's just that some choose not to use them enough.
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I was half joking, yes every kid should have one but not all do. My point remains, having to travel to get to a play space is not conducive to exercise specially when there's an xbox in your front room.****s sake. A bike is not "specialist equipment". Every kid should have one.
How many kids used to be able to play on or near their own street, how many can now?
molgrips - Membersold off school sports facilities to developers
Didn't we already expose this as a red herring a few months ago?
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/aug/17/michael-gove-school-playing-fields ]erm... no[/url]
I've heard that Eton are selling there's off though. They don't use 'em much, and they have no bearing on childrens fitness anyway 🙄
Usual short sighted morons are out in force I see.
well having a minority of chunky people yes you could blame that on the persons involved but when it's an "obesity epidemic" then I'm no expert but I'd take a wild guess and suggest chances are it's something to do with society.The cause of obesity is societal, how can it not be?Because society doesn't open your mouth and stuff food in, or keep you pinned to your sofa.
[i]its probably harder to be healthier now[/i]
And thats in some part due to;
a) a lack of agreement on whats a [i]healthy[/i] diet.
b) The marketing strategies unleashed on the general public, by large food manufacturers.
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[i]Usual short sighted morons are out in force I see. [/i]
Hhmmm. Not sure just how constructive or informative that was.
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Who are they then? Am I one?
I'm actually slight long-sighted, with a mild strabismus and slight astygmatism
Hands up, I don't have kids
You do surprise me. Its always easier to take the sanctimonious, simplistic, authoritarian approach when its purely theoretical.
Usual short sighted morons are out in force I see.
Do you mean the 'if everyone just behaved like me, then the countries problems would be obliterated within a matter of minutes' brigade?
I think the [url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/poor-people-to-be-operated-by-remote-control-2013010354786 ]Daily Mash[/url] link, posted earlier sums it up perfectly! 😉
Well, free sporting facilities would be good, but they aren't essential and no-one is forced to buy the fast food.
imagine we had free sports for all and and no fast food - would it make a difference - thats societies impact for you
Its not even worth debating tbh[ its still both though we could debate which is most important] - Have you considered america they think like you and are fatter than us =- just saying like 😛
Do you mean the 'if everyone just behaved like me, then the countries problems would be obliterated within a matter of minutes' brigade?
thats exactly what i would have written if i was eloquent enough
Why just major companies? Make food labelling clearer, sure. But I think you'll find that most 'fast food' comes from local chippies, kebab shops, pizza shops and takeaways and not from the big bad 'major' companies.
I got a Pizza from Tesco the other week and it was laced with sugar. It was [s]f**[/s] flipping disgusting. If it had been labelled [i]Sugar and Pepperoni[/i] I wouldn't have bothered.
Not being the greatest eater by any means I do spend a lot of time mooching around reading labels and thinking [i]'kin hell![/i] Yet still end up walking out with the bad stuff because I can't find anything with anything good in it - and I'm not much of a cook. There's a serious problem with the food industry as a whole when people conscious of the issues still struggle to get around them.
Yes, you can learn to cook properly. If you want something doing right and all that... But it's not really the point. It will always be easier to buy prepared food and as long as it's available that is what the majority will drift towards.
Sadly it's a societal and cultural problem on every level. Whether you're talking about exercise or food, it's a little unfair to point the finger at individuals, and for what the tories are suggesting, ridiculous. Smart cards to show you've been to the gym? What if you've been out for a run, ride, or game of football. Will that be counted. And how?
We're an obese nation. It was announced the other week that more people worldwide now die from eating too much than they do from eating too little. It's a serious problem that needs addressed sensibly, without resorting to [i]Oi Fatty, get back on the treadmill![/i]
I got a Pizza from Tesco the other week and it was laced with sugar
Sounds awesome. Which one?
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM - Sugar and Pepperoni.....
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[i]Its always easier to take the sanctimonious, simplistic, authoritarian approach when its purely theoretical.[/i]
Except, as I explained, it's not.
Anyway, let's just say that there is a child who eats a lot of unhealthey food, which they obtain after watching adverts for it on the telly and pestering their parents into buying it. This continues to the point where the child is overweight. Is the excess weight really all the fault of the adverts? I'd say the lack of parental responsibility far outweighs the existence of the adverts
[i]a) a lack of agreement on whats a healthy diet.[/i]
Is there though? There's always the daily 'red wine cures cancer and/or causes heart disease' type stuff on the papers, but is there really any confusion about the fact that a good amount of fruit and veg and not too much sugar or fat is the way to go?
Most people know that their diet is unhealthy (if it is), they just don't care.
I've heard that Eton are selling there's off though. They don't use 'em much, and they have no bearing on childrens fitness anyway
If true, Eton selling fields is incredible; my old school has fields around Highgate and Hampstead including one backing onto The Bishops Avenue, must be worth a fortune - if they'd get planning permission anyway.
or put a tax on pop, that'll sort it.
oh sorry, I read that as "poop", i thought I was going to be taxed for posting on this thread
Do you actually know anyone who does exercises without spending any money on it
get this, it's totally radical. I sometimes cycle to work. Not only is that free, it [b]saves[/b] money because i don't pay for petrol. Awwwwsum.
Sounds awesome. Which one?
I think it was one of Tesco's own. I forget which.
[i]imagine we had free sports for all and and no fast food - would it make a difference - thats societies impact for you[/i]
I think you're confusing Government with Society. Or maybe I am, or maybe we all are. You see, once again, it's Thatcher's fault 🙂
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But I think you'll find that most 'fast food' comes from local chippies, kebab shops, pizza shops and takeaways and not from the big bad 'major' companies.
McDonalds alone was responsible for 16% of all fast food sales in 2011.
I came to the conclusion some time ago that this present shower of inhumane, smug, self-righteous, incompetent, self-serving bastards are actually waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than Thatcher, in just about every way imaginable. Even hairstyles!
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Of course that depends how you define "fast food". Possibly they are classing it as takeaways only. But consider your local massive supermarket. How many aisles contain what could be classed as "healthy" food. 10%? 5%? less? I would class the rest as "fast food".McDonalds alone was responsible for 16% of all fast food sales in 2011.
[i]McDonalds alone was responsible for 16% of all fast food sales in 2011. [/i]
Really? Blimey. What counts as fast food in those figures though?
Do you actually know anyone who does exercises without spending any money on it
I run a fair bit (although not as much as I need to...) and that costs me nothing to do. Apart from the shoes. And the fancy torch. And some nice socks. I reckon I could make do with just the shoes though.
Running three, four times a week for about 45 minutes a go and not drinking during the week meant that I lost about 10 Kg at the tail end of last year. It might not be inspirational, but I was happy with it.
[i]but is there really any confusion about the fact that a good amount of fruit and veg and not too much sugar or fat is the way to go?[/i]
You may or may not have seen my previous contributions to threads on weight control or diet, etc, etc. I'm not looking to have a flame off.
But please allow me to disagree with that comment and use this as an example on how we can't agree on what is [i]healthy[/i].
A breif explaination, you say not too much sugar or fat. I believe (not asking anyone else to though) you actually need a fair bit of none processed, natural fats in your diet, making up as much as perhaps 40% of your daily caloric intake. And we certainly do not need much fruit. Keep it seasonal, and not to nosh on it all year round, every day. Theres nothing you get from Fruit you can't get from veg.
get this, it's totally radical. I sometimes cycle to work. Not only is that free, it saves money because i don't pay for petrol. Awwwwsum.
Wow free bike that maintains itself for free that does indeed sound awesome - thats quite a fail in countering my point.
I got [b]a Pizza from Tesco[/b] the other week and it was laced with sugar. It was [b]f** flipping disgusting[/b]
No sh*t Sherlock.
you can learn to cook properly. If you want something doing right and all that... But it's not really the point.
It is the point. you choose to eat shite like supermarket pizza and then complain because it's shite? Seriously?
Not even the ones too lazy or stupid to pick up a cook book and read it? No, too difficult for some people, especially those whose abilities stop some way short of nderstanding how to operate a mirror or grasp that doors don't shrink. let's not, whatever we do, accept any responsibility for our own actions or lack of thenm, let's blame society because it forces sugar laced pizza on us.Sadly it's a societal and cultural problem on every level. Whether you're talking about exercise or food, it's a little unfair to point the finger at individuals
Then let's sit in front of a computer and whine about it
McDonalds alone was responsible for 16% of all fast food sales in 2011.
If you were targeting unhealthy companies, there are far worse than McDonalds. As already noted, your local takeaway will doubtless be considerably worse. As would a lot of Supermarket food.
McDonalds have made a lot of changes as a result of public pressure/bad press. The big supermarkets have shown no such inclination.
Wow free bike that maintains itself for free that does indeed sound awesome - thats quite a fail in countering my point.
bike costs way less than driving, and comparabkle to car runing costs of running a car is almost free. And I mentioned walking available to tthm that can't stretch to a bike. that's quite a fail in understanding
This thing about cost. Isn't this just an extension of natural selection ?.
Those able to earn enough to buy gym membership or exercise equipment such as a bike, or other stuff, survive and the poor biffers just die out ?.
bike costs way less than driving, and comparabkle to car runing costs of running a car is almost free. And I mentioned walking available to tthm that can't stretch to a bike. that's quite a fail in understanding
So almost free is that like not being free then?
like being almost dead is not actually dead?
Dont criticise my understanding when you give me something almost free as an example of free 😕
PS it was a genuine question re whether any sport/excercise was trully free
I think you've succinctly summed up present government policy there Solo.
Though they poor biffers would die out quicker if they were allowed to be hunted 😀
It is the point. you choose to eat shite like supermarket pizza and then complain because it's shite? Seriously?
Where I come from there's only Supermarkets left. And I like the occasional Pizza. It's hardly a crime.
they are concerned that the poor biffers dying costs us money via the NHS /treatment. If they just died cheaply they would not be arsed - its tories of course the morality all boils down to money 😉
Though the poor biffers would die out quicker if they were allowed to be hunted
Where's the sport in that, eh? They'd not last the first field! 😉
If only they would. Unfortunately, we keep having to bail them out for some reason. 😆This thing about cost. Isn't this just an extension of natural selection ?.Those able to earn enough to by gym membership or exercise equipment such as a bike, or other stuff, survive and the poor biffers just die out ?.
[i]Though they poor biffers would die out quicker if they were allowed to be hunted[/i]
Feed them to the Orcses ?.
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they are concerned that the poor biffers dying costs us money via the NHS /treatment.
whereas the gym treatments thy can be referred for are free?
Not even the ones too lazy or stupid to pick up a cook book and read it? No, too difficult for some people, especially those whose abilities stop some way short of nderstanding how to operate a mirror or grasp that doors don't shrink. let's not, whatever we do, accept any responsibility for our own actions or lack of thenm, let's blame society because it forces sugar laced pizza on us.
Then let's sit in front of a computer and whine about it
Yes instead of trying to understand the reasons why things happen, let's be judgemental and point fingers and get all angry about it sat in front of a computer. That'll sort it.
No, it's not a crime to eat crap food that's bad for you and also tastes bad. Not quite sure why you need to come on here moaning about it afterwards though.Where I come from there's only Supermarkets left. And I like the occasional Pizza. It's hardly a crime.
whereas the gym treatments thy can be referred for are free
well cheaper than NHS treatment so nearly free 8)
No its to safe money i assume rather than actual welfare issues
Though the poor biffers would die out quicker if they were allowed to be huntedWhere's the sport in that, eh? They'd not last the first field!
You're not blue-sky thinking Flashy. I didn't say [i]how[/i] they were to be hunted. I'm thinking hunting hides on the roof of tower blocks in council estates. City traders could let off steam by nipping south of the river to sit in them with high powered snipers rifles
The fatties could be picked off as they make the rat run from their damp-riddled, flea-infested hovels to the kebab house
Actually.... in some right wing Westminster think-tank someone is presently 'running this up the flagpole to see who salutes it'
No, it's not a crime to eat crap food that's bad for you and also tastes bad. Not quite sure why you need to come on here moaning about it afterwards though.
My point is, if I could buy a healthier Pizza, I would. Along with a good proportion of the population.
You can sit on a high horse all you like, but it doesn't get around the fact that the general public WILL buy what is easily available to them.
It is not necesarry to lace a pizza with salt and sugar, but almost impossible to find one without.
Earlier in the Binners inspired government think tank...
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Tried making one? It's not that hard.
Tried making one? It's not that hard.
It's a hell of a lot harder than bunging a ready made one in the oven for 10 minutes.
[b]OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/b] - get Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall over there 😆
And I like the occasional Pizza. It's hardly a crime.
I love pizza. I love that it takes a few minutes to stick some ingredients in a blender, smear on to a base, then top with whatever takes your fancy, including sugar if that's your thing, and stick in the oven for 10 minutes.
If that's too much for you, you're probably better off with sugar.
It is not necesarry to lace a pizza with salt and sugar, but almost impossible to find one without.
Do your own?
Pizza base, tomato puree, your choice of toppings - veg, meat, chesse, etc
bung in oven on a high temp for 10 mins and your done. All available in that very same supermarket I would have thought
And we were wondering why lazy people are fat... 🙄It's a hell of a lot harder than bunging a ready made one in the oven for 10 minutes.
let's blame society because it forces sugar laced pizza on us.
Doesn't force it on us, but certainly here (in Spain) one of the cheapest and vilest brands is actively marketed* as being a healthy food - lots of shots of sunny, rural life, fresh tomatoes, warm lighting on a loaf of bread, etc. etc. And while most of us can read the ingredients, how many actually bother? You're in a hurry, the kids are grumbling, the supermarket's heaving... So maybe society isn't forcing you to buy it, but it's certainly not helping. (And this is of course why the food manufacturers are so against the traffic light marking).
* example of their marketing here:
My Tescos sells Pizza Express pizzas. Are they laced with sugar? Never checked tbh.
Now that we only have out of town shopping parks the answer is simple - get rid of the car parks.
Similarly get rid of twitter - in the olden days if you wanted to whinge at a tory you had to walk to London.
I don't understand why pizz shops don't sell by the slice - It might not solve the obesity problem but it'd cut down on friday night fights.
It's a hell of a lot harder than bunging a ready made one in the oven for 10 minutes.
No actually it's not. Chopping down and chopping up a tree is a hell of a lot harder than buying a bag of logs. Using a blender for a couple of minutes is not a hell of a lot harder than anything, except watching jeremy kyle.
My Tescos sells Pizza Express pizzas. Are they laced with sugar?
They'll be exactly the same as the Tesco's own brand ones, made on the same industrial estate production line, by minimum waged immigrants, with the same lowest-common-denominator ingredients.
But they're three times the price as they're specifically marketed at aspirational, middle-class half-wits with more money than sense 😉
[i]buy a healthier Pizza[/i]
Somehow that seems a really flawed concept, but I'm struggling to think of how to explain why.
[i]And we were wondering why lazy people are fat...[/i]
Its not a mystery really, is it.
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All available in that very same supermarket I would have thought
ah yes, but then you'd have to walk that bit further to get those ingredients, which is a hell of a lot harder than buying a piece of sugar-soaked cardboard
Wow free bike that maintains itself for free that does indeed sound awesome - thats quite a fail in countering my point
Not free bikes or maintenance as such, but I cycle to work and save far more on diesel then I have spent on bikes or bike maintenance (not including any saving I make because of less wear and tear on the car). So it's effectively free, yes. Plus you get to keep fit.
And we were wondering why lazy people are fat...
That's time I can spend out the bike...
I have actually made my own pizza on occasion. The Pizza base from Tesco is also disgusting. Which means I have to make the dough too.
Is it too much to ask for this to be ready prepared? Are you telling me you prepare everything yourself from raw ingredients? Never grab yourself a tin of baked beans, soup? Packet of pasta? Of course not... 🙄
That's exactly what I would tell you, if you bothered to ask before making your silly assumptions. I have opted out of processed food and feel exactly one million times better for it.Are you telling me you prepare everything yourself from raw ingredients? Never grab yourself a tin of baked beans, soup? Packet of pasta? Of course not...
So it's effectively free, yes
Its cheaper not free
OK, I'll bite. If you think that supermarket pizza products are 'disgusting', why are you buying and eating them?
As for pizza dough, make a load up, split into balls and freeze. When you think you'll wnat pizza in the evening, take a ball out to defrost in the morning
That's exactly what I would tell you, if you bothered to ask before making your silly assumptions.
Are they silly? They apply to at least 99.9% of the population.
never know anyone make their own baked beans
Most dont make their own bread and i doubt many make their own pasta
I cook 90% of my food from ingredients but I have yet to make my own cornflakes either
And I bet 90% of those are at least slightly overweight, if not more.99.9% of the population.
Well... either do that make-your-own-from-organic-vegetables hippy shit... or just go to Pizza Hut. All you can eat buffet £6.95. And there's a great view of Carphone Warehouse across the retail park car park. Whats not to like?
And I bet 90% of those are at least slightly overweight, if not more.
Now we're getting somewhere...
[i]As for pizza dough, make a load up, split into balls and freeze. When you think you'll wnat pizza in the evening, take a ball out to defrost in the morning [/i]
I think you're missing a point. Some folk are allegic to kitchen duties that extend beyond peeling back the lid, closing the door and setting the timer. I'm not judging, just saying like.
Pizza anyone?
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I am 😆I'm not judging
And I bet 90% of those are at least slightly overweight, if not more.
ok how much do you want to bet?
so 90% or more of the population is overweight is that our wager?
All this talk of Pizza has made me quite peckish. Might have to drive to the Tesco express now.
Women used to stay at home, look after the family, cook the meals etc. Now in most families both partners work.
We work longer hours than ever before individually never mind as a family unit.
We travel further to work than our parents and grandparents.
Streets are busy and full of traffic, certainly not the playground they were for children just a generation ago.
Life has changed a lot in recent history, we have constraints on our time and our lifestyles have changed. It's no surprise that poor health and obesity has risen as a result. And its no surprise that the most ignorant, wealthiest and greediest members of society still want to victimise the poorest and those with the least power to fight back, to grab an even bigger slice of the financial pie.
[i]overweight[/i]
What is this. I'm probably over weight. But thats cos I have Gunz.
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[url= http://www.pizzahut.co.uk/restaurants/menus--deals/weekday-buffet-lunch.aspx ]Kids are £3.99[/url]. Result! If you've got little porkers too 😀
Its cheaper not free
No, it's free. I've effectively paid for my bike several times over since I've been cycling to work. In fact, the savings I make pay for my hobby. You don't have to spend thousands on a bike to commute to work.
All this talk of Pizza has made me quite peckish. Might have to drive to the Tesco express now.
Don't forget to park in the disabled space, will you?
Yep, but we're going by my definition of "overweight", not BMI or some other made up crap 🙂so 90% or more of the population is overweight is that our wager?
[i]Chocolate Pizza[/i] ?. Isn't that a Cake ?.