[Closed] Obese? "Exercise or We'll Cut Your Benefits" - Tory Council Plan.

using obese folk as biofuel

using obese folk as biofuel

Couldn't we just get them running on treadmill generators? or bikes for that matter:
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Good.

There has been a gradual erosion of sports facilities and access for years. It's just typical sabre rattling by a Tory council pointing the finger of blame at those worst off.

Put them on a treadmill with a fiery pit at the end they will fall off if they don't keep running.

Link the treadmill to a generator and the fire pit to a biofuel plant.

The McFatties either get fit and generate power while doing it or fry and generate power while doing it.*

*part of my alternative green manifesto along with killing all the whales to feed the Japanese which will both provide nourishment and lower the sea levels (Archimedes and his bath concept)

BTW - I like the idea of using obese folk as biofuel. The difference between me and the Tories is that I'd wait until they were dead.

So a government that has slashed funding for grass-roots sport (yet spanked billions instead on a sports-based vanity project), sold off school sports facilities to developers, closed after school clubs, youth clubs etc, and has pointedly refused to regulate the fast food industry, is now blaming people for not doing any exercise?

Usual Tory 'blame the victim' crap then? You couldn't make it up. Actually ... you could. They're getting achingly predictable

Does anyone wish to point out to Dave and Gideon that not everyone has a private gym membership and a personal trainer/tennis coach, to boff your missus while you're working long hours in the city? ****s!! 🙄

Couldn't we just get them running on treadmill generators? or bikes for that matter

Probably not as efficient as burning them in a gas-turbine style power station. Although I suppose a combined heat and power set up with them chained to the treadmill/static bike may work. Have to be a well insulated gym-prison though, you'd want to minimise any losses.

So are they going to do the same for thin people who don't exercise, or people who drink too much, smokers, or people who injure themselves doing extreme sports perhaps?

Put them on a treadmill with a fiery pit at the end they will fall off if they don't keep running.

Link the treadmill to a generator and the fire pit to a biofuel plant.

The McFatties either get fit and generate power while doing it or fry and generate power while doing it.

I, for one, can see no issues whatsoever with this. WCA for PM.

If being the target for "who ate all the pies" comments, disease, and early death doesn't work then I doubt cutting benefits will work. And why should workshy fatties get free gym sessions anyway?

I doubt compulsory exercise sessions would work. One extra choccy bar before or after would negate any calorie burn. Like any other lifestyle change it needs to be self motivated.

Yep and has anyone told the fatties to lay off the pies and go for a walk instead of watching Jeremy Kyle.

Also wasn't the last lit of sporting vanity projects signed up to by Labour?

There has been a gradual erosion of sports facilities and access for years

As long as they start with Eric Pickles MP first!

Besides, if they really were keen to avoid exercise, then they could always get a fitter, keener neighbour to go in their place, someone that might actually want free gym sessions.

They get a gym session, trainer thinks the class is getting fitter, politicians think it's working, fat person gets full benefits. Everyone wins.

[i]and has pointedly refused to regulate the fast food industry,[/i]

You had me until then. What regulation of the fast food industry is needed to stop people [b]choosing[/b] to eat 'badly'

And what do you mean by 'the fast food industry'? McD? KFC? What about the local chippy? Or the local baker selling high fat pies and high sugar cakes?

But, back on topic, it's a ridiculous idea and is just one of the stories that rears it's head for half a day every so often.

How will it be measured? ...Strava?

Soma rich, that is such a disturbing photo is so many ways

teamhurtmore episode 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mirror_(TV_series)

If they can get Pickles to lay off the pies and lose at least 4 stone then and only then will I listen to their proposals.

I've not noticed there being fewer places to go for a run.

I have noticed quite a reduction in safe playing areas for children to run around in since I was a kid. Once they have grown up without exercise its always going to be much more difficult to start good habits.

But don't worry because its nothing to do with actually improving peoples health and lives, its just another Tory distraction, create a hatred so nobody will notice who really is screwing you.

TVs powered by treadmill.. 'Pay as you walk' jeremy kyle.

(c)2013 ElZorillo

IHN - the government have opposed moves for sugar, salt and fat content to be labelled on food, saying anything should be volountary by manufactureres/supermarkets

And they also refuse to do anything about companies deliberately targeting kids with junk food advertising

So its a bit bloody rich to then start moaning about obesity

Isn't it just for people who are currently off work due to a persistent obesity related heatlh problem that could be solved through exercise (prescribed by a doctor under controlled conditions) which they are refusing to do?

Must be a slow news day.

[I]So are they going to do the same for thin people who don't exercise, or people who drink too much, smokers, or people who injure themselves doing extreme sports perhaps?[/i]

Thin ones aren't good candidates for biofuel so they can stand at the end of the treadmill catching any planes.

Smokers are dying of cold now they have to stand outside but I guess we could give them brooms and shovels to clean up the fag ends and charred McFatties. They won't notice the smell as much.

People who injur themselves a kot should be given what ever they like and probably are lovely people too.

So a government that has slashed funding for grass-roots sport (yet spanked billions instead on a sports-based vanity project), sold off school sports facilities to developers, closed after school clubs, youth clubs etc, and has pointedly refused to regulate the fast food industry, is now blaming people for not doing any exercise?

Usual Tory 'blame the victim' crap then? You couldn't make it up. Actually ... you could. They're getting achingly predictable

Does anyone wish to point out to Dave and Gideon that not everyone has a private gym membership and a personal trainer/tennis coach, to boff your missus while you're working long hours in the city? ****s!!

Good trolling!

Why it is the governments fault that "victims" choose to eat too much and exercise too little? You don't need grass roots sports facilities or expensive gym memberships to go for a walk or a run. I seem to remember they did try and raise the price of hot cakes and pasties as well (admittedly clumsily) and there was an outcry.

Actually I think this idea would achieve nothing, but I don't think we can blame the government for fatties!

Isn't it just for people who are currently off work due to a persistent obesity related heatlh problem that could be solved through exercise (prescribed by a doctor under controlled conditions) which they are refusing to do?

I think this is one of those many incidences of CMD's Tory party morphing into the Thick of It......

"Stewart, any thoughts from within your ****ing dream-yurt?"

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IHN - the government have opposed moves for sugar, salt and fat content to be labelled on food, saying anything should be volountary by manufactureres/supermarkets
And they also refuse to do anything about companies deliberately targeting kids with junk food advertising

+1

Allow millions and millions of pounds of completely unfettered marketing of diabetes-inducing foods to kids from a young age, then act all surprised when we have an obesity crisis. Genius.

There has been a gradual erosion of sports facilities and access for years

There has been a gradual growth in the belief that you need "special facilities" to do sports for years.

I don't agree with cutting benefits for obese/overweight people, but every reasonable effort should be made to advise and encourage healthier lifestyles.

How3ever, if people can't be bothered or don't care, then I don't know what you're supposed to do for them.

Although if people don't care about their own health then I suspect it's a symptom of deeper issues than just being lazy/apathetic.

Some people just aren't physical or 'sporty', but there's no reason for that to lead to being an unhealthy weight.

Instead of giving them benefit money, we could just deliver food parcels every week, full of vegetables, fruit, pulses - healthy shit like that!

And don't go giving me a reminder that they need money for heating and electric - they've already got enough blubber to keep warm, and with no electric they won't be able to sit and watch the telly all day, so might do something more active!

see - its a win-win solution 😈

There has been a gradual growth in the belief that you need "special facilities" to do sports for years.

Well it's true for some things:

Swimming (OK you can swim in a river, but it'd need to be safe & clean - ditto for the sea)
Squash courts
Sports halls for Badminton
etc

Anyway - national service, that's the answer

*gazes into crystal ball*

I have no useful contribution to make.

Anyone who's obese is wasting money on junk food so doesn't [i]need[/i] as much benefit money. Simple really.

Is obesity directly proportional to the screen size of TVs?

Thin end of the wedge init.
Next on the list is to start taking Orange Fives off slightly chubby people, and giving them to the deserving poor.

As an aside, did anyone see that horizon program where they mentioned that obese guy in Dundee who underwent medically supervised fasting? He ate NOTHING, NADA, NOWT for 1 whole year and went from 32 stone to 12 stone. Vitamin and mineral supplements and water were permitted.
Sounds unbelievable, but the case is in the medical literature.

piedi di formaggio - Member
Is obesity directly proportional to the screen size of TVs?

You also need to factor in the likelihood of wearing "sports" clothing as well.

There has been a gradual growth in the belief that you need "special facilities" to do sports for years.

Is obesity directly proportional to the screen size of TVs?

Yes.... bigger TV's, thus bigger adverts, make you subliminally ask to 'go large' at Maccy D's and KFC. If there are any Zinger or Chicken Nuggets based billboards on their waddle down there, then they really are in trouble

So are they going to do the same for thin people who don't exercise, or people who drink too much, smokers, or people who injure themselves doing extreme sports perhaps?

Isn't it just for people who are currently off work due to a persistent obesity related heatlh problem that could be solved through exercise (prescribed by a doctor under controlled conditions) which they are refusing to do?

walking/running/playing alongside roads? no thanks

piedi di formaggio - Member
Is obesity directly proportional to the screen size of TVs?
You also need to factor in the likelihood of wearing "sports" clothing as well.

Nice to see some blatant snobbery come up on this thread.

You also need to factor in the likelihood of wearing "sports" clothing as well.

Are we talking tucked in "Rugger" shirts and cricket jumpers draped over the shoulders?

zilog so how you going to get and keep kids interested in active stuff when there's no where but the street to do it?

not saying sports centres are going to solve the problem and luckily I live close to parks and even proper countryside but in the cities space for doing stuff does seem to be more of a problem.

There has been a gradual growth in the belief that you need "special facilities" to do sports for years.

Well it's true for some things:

Swimming (OK you can swim in a river, but it'd need to be safe & clean - ditto for the sea)
Squash courts
Sports halls for Badminton
etc

Yes, but my point was that not having accesss to "special facilties" is no excuse for not exercising. Ok, so there's a narrower choice, but still it's no excuse.

The root of obesity is psychological as well as physical - i.e. what's the main difference between someone like myself who chooses to eat healthily & do a bit of exercise and someone who just doesn't care about either of these things?

I don't know the answer. There are probably many reasons. Tackling these root causes are what's needed.

But this would be very expensive - it's easier just to treat the symptom and use a big stick like removing benefits to force the issue 🙄

There has been a gradual growth in the belief that you need "special facilities" to do sports for years.

Probably concurrent with less and less green space being available. The woods where I used to ride my bike as a kid have now been turned into the manicured gardens of a ridiculous footballers wives style mansion.

Are we talking tucked in "Rugger" shirts and cricket jumpers draped over the shoulders?

PMSL!

zilog so how you going to get and keep kids interested in active stuff when there's no where but the street to do it?

Some of the feral offspring of benefit scroungers in their sports/leisurewear earlier....

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Red trousers - forced on one so young? The horror!!

Call Childline immediately!

Only one of my mates is on benefits and she's got a baby, and is living in a hostel. Fast food is quick cheap and hot she doesn't have access to a proper kitchen before you start with the 'cook your own' stuff. So as well as looking after a 7 month old, finding a job (lol) and somewhere to live that's not a one room shit hole, she'llhave to go to the gym as well?

Wow, inspiring

How many places genuinely don't have a recreation ground or something within a 10-15 min bike ride?

Have you ever been to Salford 6? Having said that, if you went for a run anywhere round there, you'd ****ing shift!!! 😆

[i]how many people live in the middle of cities with no green space? walking/running/playing alongside roads? no thanks [/i]

How long have people lived in cities in the UK? A couple of hundred years.

How old is the obesity 'crisis'? Not very.

That would suggest little correlation between the two.

And marketing/advertising aimed at children is one thing, admittedly and is a little taudry. However, it's not generally the case that the children actually make the purchases. This is about personal (and parental) responsibility to eat well, but as is so often the case, the cause of obesity is seen as 'societal' and people absolve themselves of direct blame.

Anyone wearing Hackett t-shirts and the like should have their legs and heads cut off, never mind their benefits. 🙂

(They do have a rather good range of suits, I should add, but their "Leisurewear" is a clear indicator of bellendery)

How many places genuinely don't have a recreation ground or something within a 10-15 min bike ride?

Walking kids round city isn't going to get their interests I'd have thought. Yes there's ways around stuff, I'm an active person if I had no bike to hand and no parks despite what I said I'd still pound out a few miles on the pavement. But getting active people to exercise isn't the plan, we're trying to make an environment conducive to healthy living, activity, better diet, being sociable etc at the moment a lot of places seem to be heading in the opposite direction. Cities designed around moorised transport with no green spaces, alright for the rich who bugger off to the country/burbs but a pita for the poor sods who live there.

so you already need specialist equipment

Is there a benefit for fatties? Where can I apply?

Anyway.... Apparently, being heavier means you might stick around for longer.

[url] http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/recipe-for-a-long-life-overweight-people-have-lower-death-risk-8434743.html [/url]

yes its not an either or

if you made exercise as cheap as chips [ see what i did there] we would get somewhere.

It is also down to the parents

IME you either have folk who are very healthy or ones who do nothing

i only know one person who does moderate exercise [ couple of gentle swims] per week everyone else is either very fit [ relatively] or a couch potato.

we need to target kids as its easier to get them to enjoy activity than to get fat adults of their arses.

I assume we'll also be taxing obese non-benefit claimants the same proportion of their income?

Under the proposed plan presumably benefit spongers like this will be forced to run for their housing allowance.
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How long have people lived in cities in the UK? A couple of hundred years.

How old is the obesity 'crisis'? Not very.

That would suggest little correlation between the two.

That's not a great argument really is it. It's only now for instance that the majority of the UK population live in urban areas.

And marketing/advertising aimed at children is one thing, admittedly and is a little taudry. However, it's not generally the case that the children actually make the purchases. This is about personal (and parental) responsibility to eat well, but as is so often the case, the cause of obesity is seen as 'societal' and people absolve themselves of direct blame.

It's a lot worse than a little tawdry - it's criminally irresponsible and anti-social. Also, never heard of 'pester-power'? The cause of obesity is societal, how can it not be? That doesn't mean people shouldn't take personal responsibility at all, but why are you asking individuals to take responsibility while absolving major companies of the same?

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or put a tax on pop, that'll sort it.

if you made exercise as cheap as chips [ see what i did there] we would get somewhere.

Exercise is free. Go for a walk. Run. Do some sit ups in front of your massive plasma screen. Etc.

The problem isn't the "cost" of exercising, or the need for specialist equipment, but the underlying attitude.

So as well as looking after a 7 month old, finding a job (lol) and somewhere to live that's not a one room shit hole, she'llhave to go to the gym as well?

Never has a 'lol' seemed so incongruous.

When I was a young child I was taken everywhere on foot, on the bus/train (walking to/from the station), or by bike (except at weekends when my Dad was at home with the car).

Also, my parents didn't allow much TV-watching, so I never got into the habit of loafing around in front of the telly.

As I got older, I cycled everywhere, walked/cycled to school, walked/bus/train to friends etc.

I wasn't "doing exercise" with special equipment and facilties, I was just "getting about", going places ... and getting exercise as a side-effect.

These days the majority of children/teenagers seem to be chauffered pretty much everywhere by their parents.

It's no wonder they grow up overweight and lazy.

The other side of this is that I was rarely given junk food or processed/ready-meal stuff ... my parents always cooked 'proper' food using unusually-shaped things called vegetables and what-not 😀

if you made exercise as cheap as chips

Grew up in Fazakerley in Liverpool, pretty grim in parts. Managed to run 70 MPW around the streets plus in the winter its an advantage given the street lighting.
Years later as I have lived in more salubrious surroundings training during the evening can be more difficult despite being surrounded by parks and greenery.

i was thinking of taking up Polo cpt as i believe you meet a better class of people= where do i do this for free My captain?

It depends on the sport but most activity you will get folk to do requires a place to do it and some equipment be it football , cricket, cycling. - outdoors badmington for example is a right mare in the winter mud dont you find Cpt?
They all cost though some are very cheap I agree.

Only really actual exercise - sod that even i dont do that i do things I like that keep me healthy- is totally free and you still need a decent set of shoes to run in.

Do you actually know anyone who does exercises without spending any money on it

[i]Also, never heard of 'pester-power'?[/i]

I have. I tried it with my parents when I were a nipper. They said no.

[i]The cause of obesity is societal, how can it not be?[/i]

Because society doesn't open your mouth and stuff food in, or keep you pinned to your sofa.

[i]while absolving major companies of the same?[/i]

Why just major companies? Make food labelling clearer, sure. But I think you'll find that most 'fast food' comes from local chippies, kebab shops, pizza shops and takeaways and not from the big bad 'major' companies.

If they can get Pickles to lay off the pies and lose at least 4 stone then and only then will I listen to their proposals.

I have. I tried it with my parents when I were a nipper. They said no.

Do you use the same strategy with your own kids?

i was thinking of taking up Polo

Pointless straw man there, Junky. Well done.

Do you actually know anyone who does exercises without spending any money on it

Exercise is free.

sold off school sports facilities to developers

Didn't we already expose this as a red herring a few months ago?

As for advertising junk food to kids - most of the junk food I ate wasn't advertised at all. Sugary treats don't exactly need it do they? Junkies aren't the victim of heroin advertising are they?

Some things are just damn tasty, regardless of marketing. Having said that, I do think advertising junk food to kids should be banned but it's not going to make much difference.

Because society doesn't open your mouth and stuff food in, or keep you pinned to your sofa

No but it does make it acceptable to do so.

Because society doesn't open your mouth and stuff food in, or keep you pinned to your sofa.

Its a mixed response that is required with action from all sides.
saying it is just one thing is simplistic.
its probably harder to be healthier now than in times gone for "societal" reasons.

A couple of hundred years ago the middle and upper classes were extremely unhealthy, btw.

ha ha isnt eric pickles the community minister in charge of councils

did they have to run this one by him?

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