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phew!
looks like the states saw sense in the end .....
And the rest of the world breathes a collective sigh of relief...
thank god for that 😈
God Bless Murka.
TFFT
Collective relief in the Piemonsters househould
relieved - I can stop digging my nuclear bunker now
Fun (?!?) to read the headlines now and the need for 24 hour news......" how/why Romney lost it" etc. The reality is that despite all the gaffes and nonsense, that was incredibly close - 1 and a bit %!!!!! American almost elected Romney. The headlines perhaps should be how did that (almost) happen!!!!!
Extraordinary waste of money. Will Romney joined Nadine Dorris in the jungle? 😉
Klunk - Member
phew!
+1
Of course I knew all along.. 😉
Will Romney joined Nadine Dorris in the jungle?
I believe hes already booked as the comedy politician for Dances with the Stars.
Anything that ruins Donald Trump's day is worthwhile in itself.
The reality is that despite all the gaffes and nonsense, that was incredibly close - 1 and a bit %!!!!!
...and another election decided by a minority of "swing" voters in just a few states... 😕 If you are an undecided swing voter living in Texas or indeed 30 or so other states it really didn't matter who you voted for or if you voted at all.
American almost elected Romney. The headlines perhaps should be how did that (almost) happen!!!!!
I can answer that; it's called democracy.
They can vote for whoever they please, and I get the feeling that they don't give a **** what we europeans think.
I am truly go smacked when I hear the average Repulicans views on many things, a complete lack of empathy for the less fortunate and well off and truly prehistoric moral values with often Christian fundamentalist influence, and can't help think that there is a really unpleasant racist undercurrent to a lot of the opposition to Obama being president.
I am absolutely made up he won, he has a social conscience for humanity, not just the white middle classes, and he is not some sort of black power firebrand preacher.
It's a shame its his last term although you have to have massive sympathy as the Repulicans try to block his every move through congress.
At least some poor brown residents of a distant dusty country won't die when a new president chooses them to prove that He Has What It Takes...
I can answer that; it's called democracy.
Just because they call it democracy doesn't mean that's what it is.
:loosens chin-strap on tinfoil hat:
Just because they call it democracy doesn't mean that's what it is.
Except it is or at least not particularly a worse form of democracy than we have in the UK.
[Obama] has a social conscience for humanity,
Tell that to the increasing number of civilian deaths from UAV strikes.
Except it is or at least not particularly a worse form of democracy than we have in the UK.
I certainly wouldn't hold up Britain as a prime example of true democracy either.
...and another election decided by a minority of "swing" voters in just a few states
I think you'll find that the way the majority of non swing state voters voted was what was decisive, but if you wish to ignore them knock yourself out.
Interesting comparison of where the campaign financing came from for each candidate. Strangely almost all of Romney's was from the world of finance.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00009638
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00000286
It happened again, no matter who they voted for the government got in.
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interesting in the past the mantra would have "it's the economy, stupid" this time around it could well have been "it's abortion, stupid".
It's stupid, stupid.
no that would be "stupid, stupid".
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Yes, he's someone's glove puppet.
Except it is or at least not particularly a worse form of democracy than we have in the UK.
If it were the same in the UK we'd elect our head of state (Prime minister, ignore queenie, she doesn't count) by voteing, then those votes would be allocated as follows.
England - 53
Scotland - 5
Wales - 3
N.Ireland - 2
Basicly we'd get whatever england voted for. If 26 million english, and everyone else (~36 million people) voted for 'party A', we'd still get 'party B' as 27 million English people voted for them.
At least with ~300 seats the house of commons system is closer to being fair.
Personaly I think technology should make government redundant, the system is based on delegateing your decision making to someone else as you can't be there yourself, stick it all online and make it a referendum.
Klunk - Member
interesting in the past the mantra would have "it's the economy, stupid" this time around it could well have been "it's abortion, stupid".
The best summary so far....!
Well when you look at the split for the sexes voting democrat and republican you could at very least have given the republicans the popular vote if they weren't so anti-woman (or at least their right to decide what the hell they do with their own bodies)
Except it is or at least not particularly a worse form of democracy than we have in the UK.
The actual voting mechanisms aren't necessarily the problem in the US. It's what happens around that voting, and what happens between the voting that's properly messed up.
or at least their right to decide what the hell they do with their own bodies
Playing devils advocate here, but isn't their argument that they're sticking up for the rights of the kid?
Well the pro-life debate really boils down to religion, on the whole.
If you are religious you believe in an immortal soul, which officially begins at conception, therefore abortion is murder.
If you don't believe in the church's doctrine, then a small foetus is just blob of cells and not (yet) a human being, therefore it is not murder.
Most of the pro life arguments seem to be about banning child murder, which is fair enough. The actual question is whether or not abortion actually IS child murder - there seems to be no public debate in the US about this.
Berm Bandit - MemberI think you'll find that the way the majority of non swing state voters voted was what was decisive, but if you wish to ignore them knock yourself out.
Please explain.
Please explain.
Really?? 😯
I'll try.
If 50,000,000 people vote for one candidate, and 50,000,001 vote for the other, it is not the odd one that makes the difference. Its all 50,000,001. If the balance of 50,000,000 didn't vote then that candidate would obviously only have one vote and would therefore clearly lose.
Therefore to suggest that only the voters in a few swing states have any say is a construct of the media for the sake of headlines and is fundamentally flawed as a concept for the reason given.
KAPOW
the daily mash stories on this have been pretty funny
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/god-ignores-idiots-2012110747966
Quite accurate in my book too.
Therefore to suggest that only the voters in a few swing states have any say is a construct of the media for the sake of headlines and is fundamentally flawed as a concept for the reason given.
😀 😀 😀
And there I was thinking you might show me all the states that everyone thought were a done deal suprising us and voting the opposite to what we expected.
And meanwhile in the real world....
political parties accept that some, no actually most US states (or indeed constituencies as the same is in part true with "safe seats" in the yookay) are already so full of enough voters who will only change their minds if their chosen candidate turns out to be The Devil Himself that they may as well accept that and concentrate on working on the opinions of the potential swing voters. A candidate who is foolish enough to ignore this and canvas wherever the wind takes him/her is in the real world a fool, and runs the greater risk of losing, since the die is already cast in the non-swing states.
So I stand by the minority of swing voters in swing states deciding it. 😀
BTW Just because I believe it doesn't mean I am at all happy with it. The "electoral college" system as it is operated currently means that the political wishes of all those democrats in Texas mean absolutely naff all at the moment, same for republicsans in democrat 'safe' states.
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