[Closed] obama or romney, who is going to win

Obama I reckon. Well I certainly hope so.

Hopefully Romney.

Obama hopefully. Worrying how close it is considering how much of a ****t Romney is.

Paddy Power are already paying out on an Obama win apparently.

If Romney win's i'm confident the world will end pretty soon. I hadn't realised how the US voting system worked until today, but that's why I fear Romney might get in, as most of those with votes that count are likely to want the tax cuts Romney is offering.

According to the analysts Obama is 5 points up in Ohio, the swing state which usually decides the election. But the Redskins lost which means Romney will win. Flip a coin?

If Romney win's i'm confident the world will end pretty soon. I hadn't realised how the US voting system worked until today

So you heard it on Russia today, tv, that romneys son works for the company who make the electronic voting terminals, also strange how thepower is still not on to make them work in the flod hit areas.

Conspiracy theorists eat your hats.

If Romney wins I will seriously despair: Romney is essentially another Dubya.

There was someone on the radio earlier from one of the US Polling companies who was convinced Obama is going to win, based on the sample polls.

Please God, not Romney. Anyone but Romney. If you thought the George W Bush era was bad, wait until you see what kind of epic cockup Mitt the [s]Moron[/s] Mormon makes of it all.

Please God, not Romney. Anyone but Romney. If you thought the George W Bush era was bad, wait until you see what kind of epic cockup Mitt the Moron Mormon makes of it all.

This.

Sadly, the rest of the world pleading with America not to elect Romney is likely to have the opposite effect (see the second Dubya election). We'd be mightily pissed off if, for example, that twunt Bonio started spouting off about who the UK electorate should vote for.

Having said that, one would hope the US public would recognise that Romney appears to hate women, ethnic minorities and the poor, and vote accordingly.

Andy

Pundits all seem convinced Obama will win.

They both are crap at economics but hopefully Obama is slightly less gung ho on the foreign front.

I simply cannot understand/fathom why on earth any compassionate human being of sane mind would vote for Romney (or any republican?), on the way home t'night i listened to PM on R4 and they asked a few American's who they were going to vote for and why?, the voters who came down on the republican side left me gobsmacked with their idiotic reasons for choosing Romney. I feel genuinely sorry for the percentage of decent Americans who may have to put up with this absolute fcuwit mormon if he/his party gets in over Obama.

One of the problems with Obama has been that although they voted him in, based on his policies, at the first opportunity they made sure that the Senate went republican, which pretty much destroyed his chances of making the changes he wanted.

If Obama has failed, the voters must also look at themselves.

Voting Romney in will set America back several years in many ways.

I hope Obama (i think he deserves a 2nd term too- he has done an alright job considering the mess he inherited and then the oppositional tactics in the senate) and think he should just about scrape it

However i'm wary of some Republican shenanigans - the attempts in some areas to disenfranchise voters has been disgusting.

I'm convinced that Romney is not human.

Look at his eyes. It's like looking at one of those creepy masks with a set of eyes moving behind, where you know the eyes do not relate to the face. It's just a shell. Ever seen the Movie Bad Taste? That's Romney.

I bet David Icke has him down as one of the lizard people.

Hoping Obama TBH. I think Romney and foreign policy are a bad mix.

Reckon Romney will just scrape through, too many past Obama voters are not happy enough

Thank heavens the tea parties preferred candidates didn't get this far

The US is ****ed either way.

Yikes:

Obama

The US is ****ed either way.

They are in much better shape than we are

Poor people in America are far, far worse off than they are here.

Obama

The US is ****ed either way.

They are in much better shape than we are

we have power that works, houses made from bricks and an underground that has flood control doors

 

mikey74 - Member
If Romney wins I will seriously despair: Romney is essentially another Dubya.

Sadly Romney makes dubya look like a card carrying liberal.

/tangent
The American right / tea party scare me. Properly scare me.

having worked with inner city kids in america and the uk i would definately say they have a lot more issues at the poor end of society,

health care in particular really is a joke

the political campaigning system is on another level

would this ever happen here?

[url= http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/no-one-in-america-should-have-to-wait-7-hours-to-vote/264506/ ]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/no-one-in-america-should-have-to-wait-7-hours-to-vote/264506/[/url]

health care in particular really is a joke

Only in America could carrying a gun be considered a right and health care be considered a privelege...

Not Romney hopefully, I can see him turning up the heat on Iran in a bad way

Having just got back from New York, it was quite worrying to see the amount of people who oppose Obama... 😐

odds are on Obama

There was discussion on R4 this morning about how it was a problem for Obama that he hasn't expressed wholeheartedly enough that America is the greatest country in the world, and has been chosen by God to lead the world and export American values (this is apparently a key belief of Mormonism). 😕

Not Romney hopefully, I can see him turning up the heat on Iran in a bad way

Indeed:

In December GOP Debate regarding how America should handle Iran:

ROMNEY: "I'd get on the phone to my friend Bibi Netanyahu and say, 'Would it help if I said this? What would you like me to do?'"

Mormons also believe that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri.

(Un)fortunately or ( ) fortunately USA always votes Republican in times of need.

Day is protectionist'as by nature init.

IMO Obamas had his day, failed, been lacklustre, forgotten about true USA values that he once held dear, now he's suffering in many many ways.
I have no sympathy, he had the opportunity to do something truly unique and failed, became "another face in the White House" whose only true legacy will be he's Coloured, or Black or whatever were supposed to say these days.

Now before anyone calls me racist, it's a simple fact, noted by the worlds best/ worst media and broadcast day in day out on global tv.

I'm not too sure Romney is the man, but the policies he portrays from a party line will certainly hit home to a lot of Americans,

I lived in Florida for 17 years during my youth, down there it's a real mixed bag of ethnicity, but the Right have a dominance.

It must be nice to "understand" US politics!! Way beyond me!!

Looks like Obama is nudging ahead in the swing-states but still very close. But either way, they still have to deal with the 1 January fiscal cliff whichever side gets in - and fast. Otherwise, the US recovery is dead in the water!

Am I eligible to vote?

Media makes me think I've moved and nobody told me.

Jeremy Vine in an election situation room. Get a grip BBC ffs.

A quick story about David Cameron telling off the UAE for abusing human rights while trying to sell them the means to do it then back to Hugh Edwards who the BBC have flown over. Madness

They are in much better shape than we are

In shorterm energy security maybe, everywhere else not even close.

I have no sympathy, he had the opportunity to do something truly unique and failed

What did you expect with a Republican congress who defeated every bill he tried to pass? I'm indifferent to the guy but it makes me laugh when people say he failed etc. What did you expect?

I think that Francis Fukuyama may have hit it on the head in today's FT.

The election is not really social democracy (Obama) versus limited government/individualistic roots (Romney) despite how it is portrayed. The House will stay Republican and the Senate Democrate - so more policy paralysis as we have had for the past few years? Hence my concern over the fiscal cliff.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/82c53822-2739-11e2-abcb-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2BIULvKvA

Would copy and paste but FT hates this! Sorry if you dont have subscription but hopefully the summary will suffice!!

Obama I hope...but I'm worried. Ending healthcare? Beyond belief.

what thm said

id like to think that most sane governments would be able to unify on the big things in the middle of a global financial crisis;

we all know that lib/lab/torry arent actually that original when it comes to finacial policy

very good Andrew Marr doc about Obamas first term now on BBC2

quite good and balanced too

Romney is an impossible dumbass as far as I can tell. It's not about the fact he's a right wing freak. It's the fact he's so stupid, and it baffles me how he has even got into this position where he could be President of The United States. How does it even happen?

Kevevs : Because very clever Republicans with far too much money, power and influence (the real political powerhouse of the USA) play on the fears of dumb people (50% of the USA if polls are to be believed) and offer them a dumbass meatpuppet who has similar reactionary knee-jerk beliefs to themselves that God gave America the right to do to what ever the **** it wants, when it wants, to whom it wants and you only have to listen to the republicans (party individuals and voters alike) in the countless interviews over the past few weeks to realise that they're ****ing crazy dangerous ****s of the highest order, Romney cosying up to Netanyahu...****less idiot that Romney is along with Netanyahu, ****in zionist war criminal - both should be strung up by the nutsack.

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lol say what you think Somafunk! aye- it's all about money and influence, but it is up to ordinary people to have a little think and vote at the end of the day. it's crazy to me that this guy could be representing the western world. He gives me the creeps.

You needn't worry. it will be Obama. How do I know? I don't, but I'm sensitive to the way that public opinion is manipulated and I feel that the 'slight edge' that Obama is said to have in the swing states is the preperation for the announcement of the result that has been predecided by those really in control. The voters get their "is it him or will it be him?" entertainment, a self-congratulatory glow about how wonderful US democracy is, then it's back to screwing the poor, the working classes, and the rest of the world as usual.

Though it would've been fun having a president with a dog's name...

Cynical? Me? No, just experienced.

Obama will, I think and hope, beat Romney. This will be a relatively good thing even though Obama is no great friend of Britain and not a great President.

President Romney doesn't bear thinking about.

Romney is an impossible dumbass as far as I can tell. It's not about the fact he's a right wing freak. It's the fact he's so stupid, and it baffles me how he has even got into this position where he could be President of The United States. How does it even happen?

I dont understand how anyone could consider voting for him tbh

What he thinks of ordinary folk is shocking and yet they will still support them.
A milionairre paying less tax thana cleaner proposing tax cuts for the rich and they may just vote for this as he remo0ves the health care reforms. It defied beleief

Re americans I heard one on Radio 4 iirc saying that he wanted mit to win so the american dream could be re borne as the whole world needed this

They really do think that everyone thinks they are as fab as they think they are when in most of the civilised world[ Ok Europe] the Republican party could not even exist as a political force never mind the tea party.
I just dont get why anyone would vote for him unless you were a member of the elite

President Romney doesn't bear thinking about.

In a nation where The Terminator can become the Governer of one of the biggest states, anything is possible.

Cynical? Me? No, just experienced.

In what, exactly? Mind control? Election fraud? 😯

In a nation where The Terminator can become the Governer of one of the biggest states, anything is possible.

So - you are saying if you were once an actor you are stupid and on that basis should not be allowed to run for office? A bit harsh, no?

In a nation where The Terminator can become the Governer of one of the biggest states, anything is possible

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I hadn't realised how the US voting system worked until today, but that's why I fear Romney might get in, as most of those with votes that count are likely to want the tax cuts Romney is offering.

It's a bit of a failing of TV news around US elections. They point out that the electoral college CAN go against the wishes of the electorate but have almost never done so and never in enough volume in a given college that it impacted the results of the election.

They really do think that everyone thinks they are as fab as they think they are when in most of the civilised world[ Ok Europe] the Republican party could not even exist as a political force never mind the tea party.

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it does not need the collegiate system as Bush beat Gore with fewer votes from the people.

I dont understand why it is not just the person with the most votes who wins rather than all collegiate

It seems daft to have a system - in a two horse race- where the one with the most votes does not win

The cleverest thing the republicans did in America was convince poor white voters that they had their best interests at heart. In a generation that demographic went from primarily democrat to republican. Quite amazing and for those who think they'd never be a power outside the US (if such things could be transplanted), I'm sure they'd find a niche here too.

Turkeys voting for Christmas doesn't even begin to describe it. I think its best summed up by the idiot, shortly after Obama was elected, who was hit by a car while protesting against 'socialist' universal healthcare.

The crowd of his fellow [s]utter morons[/s] protestors had to have a whip round to try and pay to get him treated in hospital.

You really couldn't make it up. I'm afraid that words like 'stupid' and 'dumb' don't even begin to scratch the surface of the almost plant-like 'intelligence' and gullibility of these people

Paddy Power are already paying out on an Obama win apparently.

Why do they do this? It happened after Wiggo won the TDF, one of the betting chains was paying out on him winning SPOTY. After the Olympics it was far from a dead cert.

What is the advantage in paying out before you know the result?

PR as we are talking about them

fingers and toes crossed for Obama

All very well mocking the Yanks but look at what we elected.

look at what we elected

Did we?

All very well mocking the Yanks but look at what we elected.

binners - Member
I'm afraid that words like 'stupid' and 'dumb' don't even begin to scratch the surface of the almost plant-like 'intelligence' and gullibility of these people

So binners, should those with plant-like intelligence and the gullible be allowed to participate in the democratic process? I guess the same question goes to altaz re the poor white? (edit: serious questions BTW!)

atlaz - Member
The cleverest thing the republicans did in America was convince poor white voters that they had their best interests at heart.

But at the end of the day, if the Senate and the House remain divided and political/policy paralysis continues, isn't this just a most monumental waste of time and money? After all this, they will have a figurehead who is largely impotent with regards domestic policy. And yet again, the BBC sends its "heavyweights" over under the false pretence that having somebody in DC makes the news somehow more real?

Where is the next drain that we can pour money down?

teamhurtmore - I've got family in the US who fit soundly into that demographic and I'm actually puzzled why they vote for people who will disadvantage them. They're absolutely entitled to but since the Reagan era there has been a steady shift right from that demographic and that has been a goal of the republican party for some time. If you could be bothered to more research than kaesae rather than just being reactionary, we might have a conversation. 🙄

should those with plant-like intelligence and the gullible be allowed to participate in the democratic process?

I guess the same question goes to altaz re the poor white?

atlaz - Member
The cleverest thing the republicans did in America was convince poor white voters that they had their best interests at heart.

Can you think of a reason why a poor white person will be best served by Mit?

After all this, they will have a figurehead who is largely impotent with regards domestic policy.

And yet again, the BBC sends its "heavyweights" over under the false pretence that having somebody in DC makes the news somehow more real?

Yes we do seem to love reporting this stuff over and over again even on Radio 4 - I best the scots devolution vote gets less coverage

Can you think of a reason why a poor white person will be best served by Mit?

That's exactly the point. The republican party has worked hard to target those voters and make them think that the republicans are the right party for them to support and it's worked. Bush wouldn't have won two elections without this shift

thm - I'm not criticising the democratic process. It just amazes me how so many people can be so accepting of information/news that is nothing more than propaganda (Obama is a Muslim etc).

And display such a ludicrous lack of curiosity that as long as whoever's on the republican ticket is in agreement with them about abortion an gun-toting, they seem to have little or no interest in anything else. No matter how detrimental the 'everything else' is going to be to them personally

I think the UK should get at least 10 electoral college votes. I mean FFS they give Kentucky 12!

I must admit I just don't get why anyone would vote for Romney either.

But then for many its not about the personality of the Republican party candidate its simply the fact that they aren't a Democrat

whatever president they get - the USA will still be full of the kind of people interviewed in that video which is kind of scary

So - you are saying if you were once an actor you are stupid and on that basis should not be allowed to run for office? A bit harsh, no?

no. I'm saying Arnie is stupid, but not as stupid as you. 😛

Ask [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/tarot-readers-psychics-load-of-old-cobblers ]igrf[/url]

Ask igrf to ask the dolphins.

i think a lot of the pro mitt supporters agenda is quite sinister and sometimes quite blatant....

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See also: http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/no-america-please-dont-please-please-please-please

My cousin lives in LA, she left the UK 12 years ago a bright intelligent TV producer for Ch4, now she's a raving Mitt supporter. We had a 2 hour row when Ipicked her up from the airport in Aug because I happened to mention the NHS!! Cannot believe the transformation.

I try to avoid politics in the US unless someone raises it and it feels like it will be a reasoned conversation. Slipped up once and was told by someone I respect that she found "Obama really scary and not just a little creepy". I finished my coffee and made my excuses.

wasnt there something about romney having a controlling interest in the company that make the voting machines............

But then for many its not about the personality of the Republican party candidate its simply the fact that they aren't a Democrat

Abraham Lincoln was a republican. How times change...

Indeed. The GOP ain't what it was. More's the pity.

atlaz - Member
teamhurtmore - I've got family in the US who fit soundly into that demographic and I'm actually puzzled why they vote for people who will disadvantage them. They're absolutely entitled to but since the Reagan era there has been a steady shift right from that demographic and that has been a goal of the republican party for some time. If you could be bothered to more research than kaesae rather than just being reactionary, we might have a conversation.

Atlaz, not being reactionary at all. Research clearly indicates how/why low income, white segments of the population vote for RW parties in many countries. So perhaps the extra research need to be asking why not? As you reply above states, the shift has been noticeable.

Alternatively, perhaps these "poor, gullible" folk are actually far more astute than those of us commentating from this side of the pond. Perhaps they understand the irony that Republic parties can in reality be big spenders - did Reagan cut government spending (did Thatcher?)? Or was the reality the opposite of the rhetoric. Now that really does justify a swivel eyed smiley!!

Junkyard - Member
Not if it is mit who wins

JY - how would Mit get past the split between Senate and the House better than Obama. The checks and balances (polite phrase for paralysis) will effect them both, wont it?

Plus they are both legally bound to address the fiscal position from Jan 1?