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Are we going after 2 specific and different certifications here?
May Contain Egg Vs 100% DOES NOT contain egg? Both read differently
I've no idea and some what puzzled as the same rule would apply to other meats.
'We cannot declare products as being egg free if they contain any chicken. By law, and a directive of the EU. '
My god I've heard some bollox on here, but that really takes the biscuit.
There are thousands of different types of proteins in every type of animal and different proteins in different PARTS of the animal. this is what makes a 'cure' so difficult to find.
To say the same proteins that are in egg are the same as in chicken meat is like saying your hair has the same proteins as your liver (spoiler alert- THEY DON'T)
The fact is anaphylaxis is a life threatening condition. It is also a condition that affects the daily lives of millions of people world wide.
People that have anaphylaxis constantly have to review where they go and what they eat, it's an awful lot easier nowadays with all the legislation that is in place regarding food safety and labelling (thank you EU for that)
Food safety/labelling isn't there to absolve the sufferer of their responsibilities, sufferers still have to watch what they eat and where they go, but it just makes their life a hell of a lot easier.
Also one more point while I'm here. anaphylaxis typically gets worse after each exposure. Your first exposure to an allergen might not illicit a response, but your body will now be primed and will start making the antibodies it needs to fight any future exposure. The more you are exposed the more your body builds its defences and the more 'allergic' you become. This is why desensitisation is such a risky procedure. you need to introduce a small enough quantity that your body won't react and step that quantity up a fraction at a time. its like tiptoeing into a cave hoping you don't wake the bear that's asleep in the corner !
mrmoofo
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We cannot declare products as being egg free if they contain any chicken. By law, and a directive of the EU. Even if they have never seen an egg ….
From an analyical point of view … and hence liability.Of course, if you know better, and would like to come and instruct to our 15 people strong regulatory department, let me know.
I can go into my fridge, freezer, and cupboards right now and pull out dozens of products that contain chicken and have no egg warnings on at all. No 'May contain' or anything.
Are you saying Sainsburys, Tesco, Waitrose, Birdseye and others are all wrong?
Go grab one of your experts, find out the EU directive and publish it here.
We have to declare products as 100% egg free ... and cannot do so if it contains chicken, because analytically it cannot be proven... so we cannot do that.
Whilst I accept that it sound odds, I could do without the personal insults from disgruntled parents. Howevever is you are an analytical chemist who can help, so we can prove that the EU commission are being arses, please PM me.
Do I believe that is cause an allergy ... no , I really , really doubt it. But that is the allergy regs we have to follow ...
That is the legislation for the industry I am in, now, how the retailer / maufacturer declares will be up to them within guidelines from the EU. And that is up to them and their laywers
I am not out to get you or your loved ones. I am trying to point out that the whole issue is a can of worms ... and where does it start or finish.
Anyway go and point you pitchforks and ducking stools at someone else in the village ...
We have to declare products as 100% egg free … and cannot do so if it contains chicken, because analytically it cannot be proven… so we cannot do that.
What is the purpose you are doing this for - that context might explain a bit.
Clients asking " Is your product 100% egg free?"
Which is different to "Is there any egg, or egg derivatives used in the making of this product?"
Yep it is, sounds like a more specialist level there, is this general food for supermarkets or something else?
My god I’ve heard some bollox on here, but that really takes the biscuit.
Doesn't it just? A load of armchair 'experts' directly contradicting someone who's told us what he has to do in his job. Incredible.
Food ingredients - so specialist ...
So be aware we are following a lot of reglulations, HCCAP stuff, traceabiity, legislation, toxicology/ food safety stuff ... despite the common Singletrackworld assumption that the food industry is out to kill everyone.
The natural stuff you pick and grow, and the state of your home fridges can normally do that 🙂
And on a linked subject ... just in case anyone in interested
Gut bacteria balance may be linked to allergies and depression ...
Doesn’t it just? A load of armchair ‘experts’ directly contradicting someone who’s told us what he has to do in his job.
But there's no evidence what he said is right.
Does explain a bit, I would expect the ingredients standards to be different for does not contain to the does contain standards. It's the context that makes some of these things make sense. Ie no need to declare a chicken is free from egg.
so my wife is in London next week at the defra allergen labelling review which feeds into the wider government review so if any forum people with kids with allergens wants anything raised let me know.
trying to do our bit