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holds out wrists for handcuffs...
"This is a very common event - someone being beaten up should be a crime.
it already is
"For instance, people in inner cities are much more likely to be overweight because of poorer education, poorer housing and poorer job opportunities.
this seems to be saying they're fat because they're stupid ? Does one really need an O level to realise that eating too much stuff makes you fat ?
"Not everyone has a free choice about controlling their weight."
sure you do... fattie 😆
Oh crap, now I'm going to get arrested! 😯 Would the fact that I'm a bit podgy myself help my defence? "Is it because I is hefty?" 🙄
I really dislike the idea that "being fat" is some sort of identity that has to be protected.
his seems to be saying they're fat because they're stupid ?
Possibly, though I suspect it is also saying they are fat because they are on lower incomes and stodgy, processed food is generally seen as cheaper than "healthy food".
They want the UK to follow San Francisco ................... curbs doctors from pressing patients to lose weight.
brilliant.
"The San Francisco ordnance says you may want to mention weight to the patient but if the patient says they do not want to talk about that then you are asked to respect those wishes."
"i know you're a bit upset at the moment what with the fact you can't move without sweating like walrus in bermuda, but you've got cancer."
Surely if people have less money, they won't be able to eat as much.
Id expect its more likely that many of the people theyre talking about have never been taught to prepare and cook food from ingredients properly.
That is the key to eating healthily on a budget. Preprepared processed, junk food slung in the oven is easy and inexpensive (see Iceland adverts).
Home prepared healthy food is also inexpensive (see sainsburys adverts)
Id hazard a guess that those that prepare their own food have probably learnt from parents, read recipes, hold dinner parties and occasionally drink Le Piat d'Or. 😉
...
speaking of which Im just off to the kitchen to make a chicken casserole. Im guessing it's using about £1 of vegetables (2lbs carrotts, celery, onions), a 50p tin of tomatoes, about £3.00 of chicken (1lb) and a dash of Le Piat d'Or.
Add £1 (5lbs) spuds, and thats <£1 per person.
Or its turkey twizzlers and microchips.
stodgy, processed food is generally seen as cheaper than "healthy food".
Not sure how this perception is held though, I eat only (ok, 95%) fresh cooked, unprocessed and mainly veg and high quality meats, yet I spend very little a week on it (and still manage to put on weight!). When I used to eat junk because I was coming home from work late and too tired to add another job to the list I was spending a fortune on pre-made meals, and so called cheap processed foods. I dont understand the needing to be taught thing either, for one of my first fresh-cooked meals I picked up a free magazine article and just threw the stuff in a pan and cooked it as it said. There was no education involved, and for £3 you can buy a book with hundreds of decent recipes. It's just lack of effort IMO.
You see, Stoner's post just exemplifies the patronising fattism of the toned middle classes. Stoner isn't fat, he doesn't understand anything about it. He doesn't value fat people for themselves. He shows no appreciation of their unique culture, diet and cuisine. He just wants to stamp fatness out entirely by forcing fat people to cook their own fibrous meals of broccoli, lentils and lean chicken breasts. How is that different from making millions of jews breathe poisonous gas? How is it different from stoning gays to death by throwing stones at them? Would that be allowed? Of course not! Yet Stoner wants to feed fat people thin gruel and force them to do exercise until they cease to be fat! It is this sort of oppression that the fat community faces on a daily basis. This is why they need the full protection of the law.
listen'ere you scrawny streak of legal piss!
You need fattening up!
have never been taught to prepare and cook food from ingredients properly.
I would sooner go hungry
I think skinny people need protection. I go in constant fear of being sat on by a fat person 🙁
i'm sure that stoner will be eaten by the bloaters of malvern before the day is out....
Well they can do what they want in the privacy of their own homes BigDummy, but I don't see why they should come round here and be all fat in front of people. 😉
the fat inbreds from down in the bogs cant get this high up the hills without wheezing to a sweaty halt halfway up.
Im safe up here thank you.
I think we should make food more expensive - like it was say 50 years ago. Then we would waste less, grow our own, value the food we eat etc. Its not the price that makes you fat, its low value, lazyness and a lack of education.
We should also pressure people into seeing that being fat is a form of self abuse that is not acceptable. Especially when parents make their kids fat.
hmmm... the F word.
Will "bubbly people", as must now refer to them, reclaim the F** word and use it in popular music, and call each other F** as part of their unique, underground, large sub-culture.
Stoner - Member
listen'ere you scrawny streak of legal piss!
You need fattening up!
Long Pig?
a form of self abuse that is not acceptable.
Hey now, there's nothing wrong with self-abuse..
Hey now, there's nothing wrong with self-abuse.
but round here at least it's frowned upon in public (I've found)
but we'll no longer be allowed to use the word 'Fat' to describe something as cool or great, as we all commonly do.
"That gig was FAT!"
That would be a no-no.
i heard her interviwed on the radio (4 or 5 not sure which this am). It was worryingly amusing. She accused the Doctors of peddaling misinformation to make money ..like heart attacks and Diabetes and early deaths are not facts.
She spoke like it was a myth there was any health issues associated with obesity [which she called there word for it] or eating too much.
It was beyond peoples control to erm control their weight and but for the millions made we would not be talking about this. Apparently we all stare at them to laugh and point.
I really did think there was link between what you consumed, the energy you used up and the weight you were. Thank God she cleared it all up for me.
What really annoys me about fat people is that...
...they are diverting attention away from the down-trodden, discriminated against and insufficiently legislatively protected gingers.
It's not on.
😥
I dare say the instances of people being beaten up because they're overweight are pretty rare.
It just seems like this article is another case of the ridiculous march of political correctness. 100% over reaction and 0% fact.
On the subject of suggesting that a doctor shouldn't raise the issue of weight though...that's ludicrous. If it's a private doctor then fair enough, they will happily stay quiet as they'll make a packet out of the patient. But if it's an NHS doctor, then unless the person has a valid medical condition causing the weight gain, they need to be told the truth in my opinion.....purely so tax payers money is well spent on those that need it.
I might start a similar thing to campaign for the rights of shorties not being able to reach certain magazines without jumping for them like a circus performer and the rights of tall people having to stoop to pass through a standard door.
The 'big-boned' can lose weight, but the short-ies & tall-ies can't gain or lose height willy nilly. And that is clearly Mother Nature discriminating against our human rights to be as short or tall as we want.
I wonder if there's some tall/short laws in America I can nick to use as an example?
speaking of which Im just off to the kitchen to make a chicken casserole. Im guessing it's using about £1 of vegetables (2lbs carrotts, celery, onions), a 50p tin of tomatoes, about £3.00 of chicken (1lb) and a dash of Le Piat d'Or.
Add £1 (5lbs) spuds, and thats <£1 per person.
Or its turkey twizzlers and microchips.
The wine was free then?
At the dodgy pizza takeaway near where I used to live you can get 2 large pizzas for £6. Would easily feed a family of 6. Plus you don't need to spend a fiver on a bottle of wine either. You'd also have no risk that your kids would turn up their noses at your boooring vegetables and chicken stuff, of that you'd burn things or cook them badly, whereas with your thing, if you're not a confident cook, you might mess it up and have wasted a tenner or whatever it cost.
Joe
I think you'll find, Samuri, you're confusing 'Fat', with it's homophone; 'Phat'
Would easily feed a family of 6.
Must be pretty ****ing big pizzas. I find a 14" pizza is just about big enough for one when its the whole meal.
pretty weak argument there joe.
Wine is not a mandatory ingredient 🙄
Its not rocket science to make a casserole taste nice, nor indeed the vegetables within it. Just because a child turns its nose up at something, doesnt give it the right to be fed crap in its place. Its called discipline.
There's between 2.0 and 4.0 g of salt in a serving of dominos personal pizza. (RDA is 6g)
15-30g of fat (RDA = 53g) with saturated fat representing around 30% of that (Recommendation is no more than 10% of your fat intake should be saturated)
(BTW Chicken breast has fat of about 6g per portion and I added 2x pinches of salt = 1/2g to be divided by 6)
There's no need for homophonia 🙂
are you calling me jey?
Is fat the new black ??
coffeking - great find!
Might have to re-think my whole "grumbling about the inequality of it all" stance as someones beaten me to it and the tall-ies are tall enough to stick up for themselves.
Is there NOTHING that hasn't been covered on the internet?!
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Now, shall I have the Le Piat Deore Casserole...
Or the home made Lasagne... 😈
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No crappy jars for the sauces. Just a few herbs, puree's & a couple of tins of chopped toms. Portioned up afterwards it does us for 4 / 5 meals.
Cost...about £7.
takisawa2 - how dare you come on here flaunting your intelligence and education.
Cheese, cream - oooh just think of the calories!
I think Fat and Phat are still close enough for people to get offended by it. It'd certainly be a misnomer to suggest all fat people are cool and great, because clearly they're not. If they were then they wouldn't have to constantly shovel food into their mouths to make themselves feel better.
Looks nice takisawa2. Good a healthy too. I'll have the one on the left please, but not too many chips thanks. 🙂
Does it not bother people that discrimination categories cover both beliefs and physical attributes with no apparent dividing line? You have no control over your height or skin colour but to deliberately choose to follow a religion knowing the daily abuse (and the subsequent preferential treatment in the workplace) you're going to get from it, smacks of abusing the anti-discriminatory system.
I think fat people deserve recognition for the vital role they play in making quite a lot of people feel vastly superior.
"The San Francisco ordinance says you may want to mention weight to the patient but if the patient says they do not want to talk about that then you are asked to respect those wishes."
WHAT??!
So you have something which can directly affect / impair your health and well being, but we'll just ignore that and pretend theres something else wrong?
My SO gained weight after the birth of our son and has only just started to lose it 2.5 years later, BUT the improvement in her general wellbeing has been fantastic. Specifically problems with her lower back have become less common due to weight loss.
In general terms weight loss is a good thing, as it puts less of a strain on our bodies. To put "fatism" in the same league as racism is ridiculous! Smacks of political correctness to me!
they wouldn't have to constantly shovel food into their mouths to make themselves feel better.
I think it's more a matter of not factoring in the consequences of the immediate action. Food is yummy [b]NOW[/b]!
Smacks of political correctness to me!
spank me teacher!
Smacks of political correctness to me!
Yup, typical left-wing rabid socialist bollox which we've come to expect from the United States
......particularly from the Republican Governor of California.
I could start sticking them Lasagne's on the classifieds.
Might do a special one for that bloke from Leeds flogging the Ibis Mojo's.
Funny one this one.
james corden bases his whole career on fat is funny.
As a NHS Dr I'm happy to point out to the obese the errors of their ways. Getting them to change their ways is nigh on impossible. They tell you in the consulting room they live on lettuce and water, but if you bump into them in the supermarket they scuttle away and hide with their trolley full of lard based products! However some people don't like it- I got a formal complaint for advising a mother regarding the long term implications of her daughters obesity- get a grip it's not "puppy fat" it's blubber and most fat kids turn into fat adults. However if there is one condition which is going to kill the nhs in the upcoming decade or two it's the impact of obesity and the cost of it. Now i wanna gastric band because it's not my fault!
rant over
I don't understand the whole set of laws to protect minorities, weird beliefs thing.
If you hit someone, I don't care why you did it, it's assault, to my mind your motivation is irrelevant, hitting a black / fat / Christian / Muslim / ginger person because of the aforsaid description is no worse a crime than hitting someone at random. Same goes for verbal abuse and bullying. It's often not what is said but the way it is said, there admittedly are some exceptions, but often the anti-discrimination squad stifle proper debate because they believe even discussing things constitutes descrimination. 'Oi fatty you stink' shouted by someone in the street is abusive, 'I think your personal odour problem may be related to your weight' from a doctor or close friend is sound advice, same message, different context.
I'm not really comfortable with the idea of massively overweight people promoting their weight as some kind of positive thing, or of making fat-related bullying into a 'hate crime', but some of the childish nastiness on display in this thread isn't exactly helpful either.
Maybe it's because I am a fatty myself, but I find positive support and encouragement works rather better than being made to feel shit about yourself.
As a NHS Dr I'm happy to point out to the obese the errors of their ways.
Ah, but if you were a doc in the USA and your patients were paying to see you, then I'm sure you'd be very happy to tell them that being a wobbler is just fine.
Ernie, I think that is why doctors have the Hypocratic oath.
This may sound a bit wordy, but surely by not telling them that obesity is an issue, a doctor would be actively doing harm, which contravenes the oath - I'm sure a Dr will be along shortly to correct me on this.
There is also quite a lot of social cost to obesity - injury to NHS staff is one, lifting and moving an obese person cannot always be done with a hoist.
What's wrong with hating fat people for being thick?
😉
Can't believe San Fran though, a doctor is there to take care of people, even those who eat awful diets and cause the US health insurance premiums to be so high. It cannot be reasonable to expect a fat patient to be allowed to continue being fat without making sure they understand that it is their own fault and they can do something about it!
Oh come come glasgowdan, just think of the business opportunity a fat person represents for a medical practice in the US. You're not going to get much in the way of return if you encourage them to go on a diet.
Man, this thread has cracked me up on an otherwise tedious day. Yay for fat people!
Of course, you know that inside every fat person there's a thin person trying to get out... and yelling "why did you eat me, you fat gimp?!"
Personally I find it very hard to hide my prejudice against fat people, because they're harming themselves, being antisocial to others and causing a strain on the economy, their own cardiovascular system and the bus they're sitting on, all through their own laziness and/ or ignorance.
It's like I said the other day. You don't wake up weighing 30 stone. You start from a normal weight and then proceed through the levels of fatness, breaking the 20 stone mark with ease, rising through 23 stone, cresting 27 stone, on the home straight now to 28, 29 and bam - 30 stone of lard.
As a NHS Dr I'm happy to point out to the obese the errors of their ways.
Dr North's boss is a medic whose research is entirely in relation to obesity and the clinical, social end economic impacts of it.
He's fat.
Have you never felt the urge to holler over the office: "Oi Fatty! Physician, heal thyself!"?
🙂
and bam - 30 stone of lard
to be fair there needs to be bones and muscle too or they'd just be a small hill...
whose research is entirely in relation to obesity and the clinical, social end economic impacts of it.He's fat.
it's a "Supersize me" kinda thing. Method doctoring.
But surely Stoner, if the Doc's 'research is entirely in relation to obesity and the clinical, social end economic impacts of it', then you have to admire his dedication and determination, to utterly commit himself [i]personally[/i] to the task on hand.
That level of selfless sacrifice in pursuit of research, is very rare these days.
Ms Szrodecki said: "This is a very common event - someone being beaten up should be a crime."
Is it not a crime to beat people up then? Great. I suppose I'll need to beat someone from the same ethnicity, income level, sexuality, sex and body weight though to avoid all the "isms" floating around.
If you really hate yourself, and beat yourself up about it, then is that still a hate crime?
If you're fat and you go on a diet, is that assault?
Quality thread guys.
glad you are back at ermmm work we missed you 😉
Nah, to count as assault, some-one else has to make you go on a diet.
[smug prick]i have a bmi of 17[/smug prick]
that is all (gloats)
Nah, to count as assault, some-one else has to make you go on a diet.
not necessarily, in the USA, children are being prosecuted for child abuse for posting or MMSing photos of themselves...
glad you are back at ermmm work
Well you know, much easier access to internet with less nappy breaks 🙂
olly - congratulations on your ill health and impending heart attack from the muscle atrophy!
[smug prick]i have a bmi of 17[/smug prick]
Mine's 28.9.
I blame my bones 😳
(18.5 or lower is clinically underweight Olly!)
[i][smug prick]i have a bmi of 17[/smug prick][/i]
Enjoy it while you can. Death rates are highest in people with a BMI less than 20 🙂
Death rates are highest in people with a BMI less than 20
bearing in mind pensions will soon be a thing of the past, early death should be viewed as an added benefit, and far preferable to lingering corpulent poverty :o)
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/fat-girls-having-best-day-ever-200909042032/ ]Fat girls are having the best day ever after a scientist said all the skinny girls were going to die first.[/url]
I once sat next to a fat man on a plane. 13hr flight.
Bits of him spilled over into my seat and was warm and sweaty.
He was also unable to put the table fully down because his belly was too big.
Thin people need protection too!
Lovely people surely, right 😉
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that cannot be a real bottom 🙁
must get that new bike stand
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