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I find this whole thing of influences fascinating and its weird how much of it is serendipity
Would the Beatles ever have gone to India ( which clearly had a huge influence on them) without the influence of Shankar? would Marley have been a huge influential artist without the backing of the Clash? Would Fela Kuti have created a whole new genre without being introduced to the writings and philosophy of malcom X? etc etc
But you're being a wee bit disingenuous though aren't you? Because, y'know; first and foremost they're a musical act, so by trying to argue that they were influential, but just not musically...pretty much amounts to the same thing.
It really doesn't. try having a reread of my posts. I do not have the language to make it any clearer
Hugely influential - yes musically and culturally
Innovative? Its much harder to show. Innovative in that for many the first time they heard this stuff? Yes. Innovative in that they created this stuff? Much harder to show
I think we are now down to semantics 🙂
As for me not liking the beatles. Never a fave of mine. early stuff good catchy pop tunes. Sgt Peppers - some tracks on there are in my faves list. Back in the USSR as well I really like. Fab song
Paul McCartney in particular – they even worked together, and Perry wrote a letter to the Japanese government when he was busted for dope.
Woah! That's quite some claim to fame McCartney has there! Lee Scratch Perry interceding on your behalf in a dope bust???!!!! 🙂 🙂 Superb
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/paul-mccartney-lee-scratch-perry-flashback-1218517/
The letter is a thing of utter beauty!
Im just going to requote this from Hightensiononline as it sums up what I think so well and in better words than I have - and might get lost on the bottom of the previous page
Like we’re all agreeing on (in a roundabout way), the Beatles brought it to the forefront and popularised it. They made it accessible, democratic even, in terms of bringing a lot of obscure or high-brow concepts to the masses.
That letter is just fabulous, I can picture their faces as that came trough the Telex...
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A thing of beauty indeed:
“Dear Sirs, I LEE PIPECOCK JACKSON PERRY would LOVE to express my concern over your consideration of one quarter kilo to be an excessive amount of herbs in the case as it pertains to master PAUL McCARTNEY …I find the herbal powers of marijuana in its widely recognized abilities to relax, calm, and generate positive feeling a must. Herbs is his Majesty’s. All singers positive directions and liberty Irrations. Please do not consider the amount of herbs involved excessive. Master PAUL McCARTNEY’s intentions are positive.”
in contrast:
John Lennon reportedly said, “If he really needs weed, surely there’s enough people who can carry it for him. You’re a Beatle, boy, a Beatle. Your face is in every damn corner of the planet. How could you have been so stupid?”
I had tickets to see Lee Perry (Brudenell. Leeds) rescheduled a couple of times during covid, and then he died. I mean I knew he was going to be very late on stage whatever, but that is very very lee scratch perry.
Not popular or commercial but most definitely ahead of their time. Doesn’t matter that they weren’t commercially successful.
As Columbia Records Vice President Clive Davis said of Zappa "No commercial potential". It didn't stop FZ becoming hugely influential and having a huge (popular?) following.
Almost all musicians build on what went before.
Yes but some do it better than others.
He's roughly between The Proclaimers and Right Said Fred in terms of album sales. Not bad, considering.