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Can anyone explain to me the tories objection to this?
I understand why the Ulster unionists are against it but the tories no longer need to pander to them given their majority in the house of commons.
US have made it clear there will be no trade deal if the NIP is ignored and the good friday agreement broken. The EU have made it clear that its either the NIP or the withdrawal agreement is void and have started enforcement procedures because the UK government is not upholding the agreement.
There has to be a customs border somewhere because of the Tories insistence on a hard Brexit.
The NIP is a fudge to get around the customs border issue and the EU compromised hugely to find a solution that respects brexit and the good friday agreement. Way beyond what I thought they would. This was negotiated and agreed by the tories.
Is it just about picking a fight with the EU?
One thing I do know employing the Hardman of Brexit, who shares a lot of commonality with the DUP, is one very stupid decision.
Love to know how the fossil fuel conversations go.
Is it just about picking a fight with the EU?
We've always been at war with...
NI economy is doing better than the British economy thanks to the protocol. That’s not a good look if you are a pro-Brexit British politician…
Unless I heard Liz Truss being declared the leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party I'd forgotten that was its official name. Despite which, it's done more to advance the breakup of the UK than any other party.
The main Tory objection is that the protocol is still allowing the EU to have an influence, and they can't allow that because Brexit.
NI is the biggest example of cakeism in Brexit. I think the DUP supported Brexit in the hope that it would close the border with Eire and make a united Ireland less likely; to me it's more likely to re-ignite the Troubles and make it more likely (and people will die).
Whenever I hear/see/read an interview with a contemporary US politician about NI, they use the word... "peace".
Westminster politicians tend not to use that word very much. Peace is taken for granted by GB politicians. That worries me.
Can we all please take 30 mins to read the Belfast agreement before commenting further?
It's not a long read in terms of international peace treaties.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-belfast-agreement
We all know the DUP position, they just realise they've made a pigs ear of it and that the whole process has lead to more than likely a quicker path to re-unification. The DUP are too stupid to realise they have the best of both worlds and could campaign on that strength, but hey ho, that's what's happens when you are steeped in 'tradition', you fail to see the opportunities right in front of your face..
As for the Tory interest here, I'd have a guess that it's also a realisation that they've made a pigs ear of it too, and if they can move the border back into Ireland between the 6 and the 26 counties, then the EU would probably have to capitulate on a lot of EU rules in general, UK wide, as any form of internal hard border would be unpalatable to many, and it would need to be almost non-existent.
I'm far from an expert, but that is my fairly uneducated look at it. Would be interesting to hear alternative views tbh, as I've not looked into it too deeply.
I was actually on the boat to Ireland as few days after you TJ, you'd probably observed the same as I did on the Cairnryan to Belfast route and back, that there didn't look like a lot of checking going on anyway, the lorries were all just chucked on and off the boats at either end as far as I could make out, I was there quite early, and the cars were barely even looked at.
Very much a bad attempt at obvious opportunism from the Tories here I think. I doubt very much they are doing it to show solidarity with the DUP(the minority position on this in NI as far as I know). As ever they'll be useful idiots for the Tories I think.
I'll need to look into the specific tory plans if I mind now you bring it up.
The DUP hated the EU for all kinds of reasons besides the potential for a united Ireland.
Don't underestimate the religious aspect of the DUP - they're Christian fundamentalists. What's a bit of economic decline and a trade war when you're doing God's work? The basic issue as they see it: U
The EEC was founded at the treaty of Rome
The pope lives in Rome. The pope is the anti Christ.
The Catholic church is some sort super national institution. The Catholic church is evil.
The EEC / EU is some sort of super national institution founded in Rome.
To people like Ian Paisley the EU was to be resisted because it was literally the work of the anti Christ.
didn’t look like a lot of checking going on anyway, the lorries were all just chucked on and off the boats at either end as far as I could make out
The border checks aren't done at the ports, there are inland facilities for doing it. There is one at Warrington, which is probably over 2 hours from Holyhead in a truck! Lots of opportunity for.a quick stop to load on some additional unchecked sausages. This isn't to say there's much checking at Warrington though, I've never been.
It's got the potential to get bloody. The rampant tribalism shown in NI is scary. Remember it's not just flag waving there are places I would not be welcome because of my first name never mind the fact I attend no church.
As stated above there is a fundamentalism which does not sit easy with peace. The fact truss is willing to start a trade war with eu probably says she can see the alternative is a return to violence.
DUP supported Brexit in the hope that it would close the border with Eire and make a united Ireland less likely
The brothers-in-law all have Irish passports and say that they support uniting the 6 counties with the South. This is a mid-Derry protestant family who have served in UDR.
The DUP have made a god-awful fist of the hand they were dealt and now that Sinn Fein have the government of the province they (DUP) dare not re-start Stormont as there's likely to be a slowly speeding rush toward the referendum that they fear. (Not in one term but maybe after 2, Sinn Fein have learned to go slowly to avoid scaring the horses).