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Drink driving you can demonstrate clear imoairmenr even at a level of 20. Thats the scots limit because the evidence is clear.
As my old chemistry teacher used to say, 20 whats? elephants!
The limits for alcohol in Scotland are:
22 ug/100mL breath
50 mg/100mL blood
67 mg/100mL urine
being detected over any one of those will see you prosecuted. It's the police's choice which of those samples are used, there isn't a perfect correlation between breath-blood-urine and there certainly isn't an absolute number that all human beings start to being impaired by alcohol. As you know the thresholds are different in other countries.
The limit for THC is 2 ug/L blood. [its written in the UK legislation as ug/L but this is directly equivalent to 2 ng/mL which is how most other countries describe it]
In both cases its irrelevant whether you were actually impaired or now - that's why the proscribed limits were set - to remove any debate on the field impairment test. If you are over the limit - toughshit. You can still be prosecuted for being impaired (usually based on evidence from a doctor) even if you are not above the limits. Now it *might* be that virtually nobody is impaired at 2 ug/L, but that sort of number is widely used for workplace, transport rules globally. Its achievable, not just by the non-drug using public but by social users who responsibly leave a long period before driving/working.
Same as you then Lebowski I guess.
County lines are brutal & unforgiving. Spend some time learning about them & then ask yourself whether or not you want to be part of the harm & suffering they bring. Buying drugs from those lines makes you a part of the process. Until the law changes that's the way it is - no amount of home spun stoner philosophy changes that. I am nothing like you.
County lines jaysus wept 🤣
I don't think there's many young kids cuckooing with a pocket full of grass to sell is there?
Sanctimonious and naive to believe your actions go without consequence.
Legalise it then. Job jobbed. You're the one that is maintaining the black market status quo, not me.
Your war on drugs lost before it even started. You can pretend it's effective all you like.
Meanwhile, I'll continue to get weed delivered in about 20minutes any time it takes my fancy.
County lines jaysus wept 🤣
I don’t think there’s many young kids cuckooing with a pocket full of grass to sell is there?
Sanctimonious and naive to believe your actions go without consequence.
Deluded not to mention hypocritical.
Legalise it then. Job jobbed. You’re the one that is maintaining the black market status quo, not me.
Your war on drugs lost before it even started. You can pretend it’s effective all you like.
Meanwhile, I’ll continue to get weed delivered in about 20minutes any time it takes my fancy.
Did I advocate it's effectiveness? No, but nice try putting words in my mouth. You failed.
If there were a way to legalise drugs without the criminals profiting then I'd be right behind it. You see a lot less stoners punching each other on a saturday night then drunks.
I want to see people live without fear or pain or misery & your 20m drug delivery isn't helping. Wake up & smell the coffee.
You advocate prohibition. It's your attitude that enables the black market.
Completely legalise it. Set taxation at a level that is competitive and the black market will almost disappear over night.
Your choice. I'm fully behind routing the black market. I'm just waiting on people like yourself realising it's the only way to deal with it.
I’m fully behind routing the black market.
i think you’re kidding yourself there. if you were you’d make other arrangements for getting your drugs.
grow your own, or order the stuff made in a lab directly from overseas using the dark web are 2 options that spring to mind. you’d be putting yourself at greater risk, though.
by legalizing drugs are you including everything, or just weed? i can’t see the british public at large being able to handle that particularly well. they’d go crazy for it.
however, prohibition doesn’t work.
Are you high right now? 😂 I don’t think [i]anyone[/i] here is advocating prohibition - but that is the reality of the situation at the moment, and no amount of deranged ranting on an Internet forum will change that, unfortunately.
I could remember the units poly🤣
Yes over the limit for either alcohol or cannabis means a driving ban. The dufference is the evidence base. Is there fir the scots alcohol limit. Its not for the uk cannabis limit.
Evidence based practice
You advocate prohibition.
No I don't actually - yet again trying to put words in mouth.
If there were a way to legalise drugs without the criminals profiting then I’d be right behind it.
I advocate living by the law until it changes. I advocate NOT enabling the suffering of others. There's a clear difference between what you think I stand for & what I actually stand for.
LAT
grow your own,
If you think the stink is bad from smoking. 😆
Yes I would include everything. I see no logic in leaving any of it in the hands of the black market. Which is why decriminalisation is a stupid idea.
I recall an episode of Fifth Gear a couple of decades back, where Quintin Wilson got some geezer puffed up and did a before and after driving test. The only conclusion was that the bloke drove much more cautiously after smoking..
Not very scientific I know but it was more scientific than any of the government's guidelines.
As tj points out, a comparative impairment study vs alcohol wouldn't be that difficult.
Until then, the chocolate test is probably the most falsifiable.
I advocate living by the law until it changes. I advocate NOT enabling the suffering of others. There’s a clear difference between what you think I stand for & what I actually stand for.
Change the laws. Till then, yip, I'll quite happily break them*. Over to you.
* I'm just making the point here that market conditions dictate what is happening on the ground, not the laws, and that's not going to change. It's only getting easier to get as time goes on. There's an unstoppable market for this stuff. Has been for over 50 years. And you could argue a lot longer.
It's time the laws were brought up to date. Appealing to people's good nature has been shown to be overwhelmingly futile.
You either leave the market to the criminals, or you take control of the market. That's the choices here.
If we can all agree the later is the preferred choice. Then we can move forward, until then the criminals will control a market that is worth billions.
Incidentally, i always find this somewhat of a stunning contradiction.
According to a report by the UN's International Narcotics Control Board, the UK produced almost half of the world's legal cannabis in 2016 at a whopping 95 tons of production, followed by Canada's 80.7 tons of production, with Portugal and Israel trailing at 21 tons and 9.2 tons respectively
Quite funny, that it's Theresa Mays husband is involved in that. 😆
Would imagine things have moved on, considering the legal situation has moved on in many countries since. I see Thailand was the latest to legalise it. Apparently released 3000 inmates last week.
Anyhow, that's my points made, agree or don't!
The tide is turning, just a matter of waiting on people catching up.
If you think the stink is bad from smoking.
this can be dealt with.
but doesn’t stop folk smoking in the garden. as adults, why not smoke in their own house. set a room aside, parent’s bedroom perhaps, and rather than burn, vaporize. far less pungent or lingering.
I'm aware of carbon filters, not everyone is though.
Vaping weed is rubbish btw, both in vapes and in a vaporizer(It's quite wasteful and is different)..
Personally I'd suggest just talking to their neighbours if someone really has a problem. Ask them to go up the back of the garden or round the side of the house. If they do that, and you've still go a problem. Well the problem really lies with your tolerance. If you won't even talk to your neighbour, well that's deeper issues I can't help you with.
As tj points out, a comparative impairment study vs alcohol wouldn’t be that difficult.
A tually it is very difficult because of the stupid drug laws. Its very hard to do proper reseach
this can be dealt with.
Only through use, as after a bit you dont realize how pungent it is.
One of my trips to the supermarket takes me along a road where the odd driver stops for a puff, and i can smell it 100m before I come to their car.
I gave the stuff up after about a quarter century of use, averaging say to take into account price rises £200/month. I would say I've a hell of a lot more money in the bank now 😆
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Of the 6* of us who were a little group in the Glasgow homeless units, including a close friend of that time, 4 overdosed on heroin, a friends GF died on the kitchen floor one morning aged 19. Most heroin is tainted with nasty substances the gangs put in to maximize their profit. If what they took had been clean and regulated they would likely still be with us.
But the chances are they wouldnt have got involved in the first place, had it been a legal drug. In these cases i blame poverty and the government for their greed and corruption.
* No5 became an alcoholic. I myself always said, 'just stick to weed lads, you'll never go wrong'
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Weed is harmless. it is not a 'gateway' drug, Super legal and socially encouraged alcohol is far far more dangerous. Illegality of drug use makes it far more damaging.
The rulers of Britain have always been obstinate and short sighted.
The rulers of Britain have always been obstinate and short sighted.
And way more into coke...
Am I the only one that is more concerned about Phil Colins being played?
Many people who smoke habitually will build up a pretty good tolerance to even the most potent weed. I have several friends who smoke like troopers to the point where it only just registers with them and they only really continue out of sheer habit and probably nicotine addiction. This is just an observation however and not a justification for smoking and driving but I would honestly get in a vehicle with them after smoking if grounds of competence were a factor....me on the other hand can't drive for shit whilst as straight as a die!!??
Only through use, as after a bit you dont realize how pungent it is.
i meant the smell that comes from plants when cultivating
Trying to talk to our neighbours has been futile. They are not the type to have a nice little neighbourly chat with.
Their garden is now a yard with nowhere for them to hide. The prevailing wind blows the stench up from their yard and open windows into our garden and house.
She is irrational at the best of times, maybe from years of smoking the stuff. The irony is, if they stopped smoking they could save up for a bigger detached house, in the kind of area she aspires to.
Today was worse than usual as she had all her friends round too, so about 4 of them puffing away, only leaving to collect the children from school.
One always hopes that they'll grow out of this habit, but it's not looking likely.
funkmasterp
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Am I the only one that is more concerned about Phil Colins being played?
Nope
trailmonkey
Playing Phil Collins – straight red card, three match ban.
In our holiday home in Aviemore, some neighbour has just sparked up a joint and has stunk the house out in minutes. Christ, if this is like your home neighbour you have my sympathy - I'd be onto the polis.
It is pretty rank as smells go
As bad as loud music imo
Once a year with decent friendly warning, fine. But more than that is straight up bad neighbour
Trim the hedge every time they spark up. Start up the firepit with hedge trimmings. Fight smoke with smoke.
I was considering rolling a "joint." Cat shit in a bin bag and set alight.
Decided against it as it's indiscriminate and I'd get it too!
I'll give him a break as I've just heard his wife is in hospital with alcohol induced liver failure.
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