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I know Ronnie can be a bit temperamental but is it just me that thinks he's taking the piss a bit here?
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/35581281
Heard this on the radio earlier. Made me chuckle a bit. Probably some really stupid egotistical reason for it. But quite funny still.
EGO!! If it was worth more it would be more...
He could have given it to charity if he didn't want it!
40% of UK average earnings for less than an hour's "work" not enough ? He is royally taking the piss and showing he's out of touch with reality.
Hardly hurt anybody and probably produced even more entertainment along the way
We all have our price
What got me was him saying that a 147 was a special thing to achieve but that £10k wasn't enough. If it's special, then he should have done it for the kudos alone... I know nothing about snooker but this guy just made himself sound like a complete nob.
its a bit cheap compared to what snooker players used to be getting. nice little protest. I think he is taking the piss yes. in a good way 🙂
This is all part of why hes so great. Like when he plays left handed for a laugh and still wins. Both higgins were good, davis, hendry but i think hes the best theres ever been and ever will be for the forseeable. Just enjoy every minute of it.
when you've done this
any other 147s must seem a bit meh.
not the first time hes turned a 147 done either:
I get the impression that he generally just enjoys annoying Barry Hearns
I can see both sides
No winners here.
The "people's champion" who loves to entertain and please the snooker public strikes again.
No doubting he is one of the greatest snooker players of all time, but is is a bit of a knob.
Used to keep on about giving up snooker, i wish he did really - bit of an attention seeker.
no regard for the public and sponsors who pay his wages, remember the towel over his face match.
Won't watch him on the tv these days.
He's not doing snooker any favours.
one day he might look back in regret about all his antics.
Regards
Denis
On the contrary. He is doing a massive favour for snooker.
Biggest box office in the game, and no one can deny he is the most exciting to watch...on his game or not.
We're not talking about any of the other players on this cycling forum.
I'm on his side. Nice to have some characters back in snooker.
Pah, 147 !
155 is where it's at.
he could have donated the £10,000 to charity if he thought it was beneath his professional status.
Or he could have donated the £10,000 to the refuge crisis, or he could have helped up and coming snooker players struggling.
I think he could have made a "statement" and had much more support from everyone if he took this approach.
He'll probably say he just wants to go running next week....
Regards
Denis
f.l.o.w. s.t.a.t.e.
...amazing to watch.
Having read the article on the BBC website about this I completely agree with Ronnie O'Sullivan's reasoning.
+1. Good on him. Why let the promoters set the rate.
The £10k is a rolling pot. Every tournament it's not won it increases. He's waiting for it to increase, making it more of a prize in the future.
He already has the record for most tournament 147's, so nothing to chase there.
I like him. Flawed genius and ever the entertainer. If he wasn't playing, snooker would be depressingly boring. Robertson, Selby and the likes just don't cut it in the personality stakes really.
Easy to call him a knob and an attention seeker, but he has some serious depression and daemons he has always battled.
He could have given it to charity if he didn't want it!
The organisers still can if they feel hard done by.
He's right though; £10k for a 147 is peanuts, not just for Ronnie but every player. If some "lesser" player was to make a 147 it might be the hilight of his career. The sponsors will reap big dividends, especially if an unknown does it, but instead of reaping a life changing bonus, the unknown may only just about cover his expenses for the year.
Doesn't need the money, someone else might get it, don't see the problem.
showing he's out of touch with reality.
Why does he need to be in touch with reality? He's a snooker player, not the Minister for Health.
Umm the public's reaction to this is a reaction to the way its been spun, rather than the facts. The point was going for the 147 was a risk, he took the easier pink to secure the win. Going for the 147 would have been the pointless, narcissistic self aggrandisement thing to do, as he could have thrown the game just for side trophy.
he took the easier pink to secure the win.
Well he said he did this because the 147 was not worth the 10 k .
Still you make things up, ignore the reason he stated and then accuse others of "spin" rather than using facts
It's up to him what he does - does have a habit of doing knobbish things though, but isn't that part of what makes a so-called "peoples' champion"?
he took the easier pink to secure the win
as he could have thrown the game just for side trophy
I am not a snooker expert and was out late last night but how does that work?
What I've not send was whether the frame was secure. If it wasn't then it could be interpreted as the £10k wasn't enough to tempt him to try the riskier shot instead of guaranteeing winning, fair enough. If the frame was secure and its seems a bit churlish but its his call whatever and there's no point in getting pissy.
Should have been banned from the game for the whole bribe taking a while back, esp as he never reported it
showing he's out of touch with reality.
Really? The millionaire sportsman with a known "bonkers" streak is out of touch with reality?
Who'd a thunkit
£10k for 1/2hrs work seems fine to me.
I reckon the frame was probably secure. He had potted 13 reds/blacks!
What I've not send was whether the frame was secure
What? He had scored over 100 and just had the colours left.
bikebouy - Member£10k for 1/2hrs work seems fine to me.
Half an hour plus a life time of practice to become the best in the world at it.
What? ...and just had the colours left.
Well that's bollocks. After potting the pink he still had to pot another red and another black before the colours.
Junky opined worthlessly:
Still you make things up, ignore the reason he stated and then accuse others of "spin" rather than using facts
When I got my facts from the BBC report quoted by the op. First line.
O'Sullivan, 40, potted 14 reds and 13 blacks before opting for a[b]n easier pink [/b]as he made a 146 to beat Barry Pinches 4-1 in the first round.
Hey top trolling there as the actual facts are indeed worthless.
Welcome back trolling zoo fighter welcome back.
Shame you did not read the paragraphs either side of that quote that you claim is the first line 😆
Ronnie O'Sullivan was criticised by World Snooker chairman Barry Hearn for turning down the chance of a maximum 147 break at the Welsh Open because the £10,000 prize money was "too cheap".O'Sullivan, 40, potted 14 reds and 13 blacks before opting for an easier pink as he made a 146 to beat Barry Pinches 4-1 in the first round.
He told BBC Sport: "If it had been more, I'd have gone for the 147."
Anyway I have better things to do that debate with someone who will kick my ass [ and everyone elses] and argue black is blue etc
Sorry for your issues re kids and divorce, Its gets easier and stay in it for the sake of your kids
I learnt this the hard way but sarcasm and antagonism does not make the outcome better for anyone in a divorce.
showing he's out of touch with reality.
Whose?
zoo fighter?
I'm not sure where this vitriol is coming from, if you want to point out where I've misinterpreted it please do so, but you've just waded in accusing me of making things up, when I replied to the report as stated and now you come back with with two AD homs. I'm sorry to have peeved you so much over a chat about some snooker.
edit Divorce? WTF are you on about?
Sorry for your issues re kids and divorce, Its gets easier and stay in it for the sake of your kidsI learnt this the hard way but sarcasm and antagonism does not make the outcome better for anyone in a divorce.
I did its either side of your quote.if you want to point out where I've misinterpreted it please do so,
ANyone with basic comprehension skills can see, for he admitted it, that he did it deliberately
You can deny this and deny who you are as much as you like
Oh no, my boss offered me some overtime this evening and I turned it down, now someone else is doing it, I am such an egotist.
You can deny this and deny who you are as much as you like
JY I'm not denying anything, its a discussion point about what he said and how its presented. I'm happy to be wrong, I see it a different way. Its really no big deal that doesn't require vitriol or ad hom.
I am (was) toys19, I scrambled my email in a fit of pique so can't reset my password. I asked the mods to fix it, they didn't bother, so I started a new profile as close to my old ID as possible. I made this clear in my profile by adding a link to my old profile, I have referred to my old profile when necc (in the two for sale posts I have made).
This link is for a post I made two years ago http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/stolen-on-one-macinato-blue-exeter#post-5540360
If you read post 5440360 you can clearly see I give my email. Please feel free to test it and see if I reply.
I expect your apology.
So toys, you think that on the last ball of a potential 147, after controlling the position of the white perfectly for 36 balls, he suddenly ran out of position and the pink was the only one he could get in, even though he really wanted the black? Doesn't sound likely.
Edit - didn't get my facts straight here - wasn't the last ball. clearly the game was already won though.
I don't think there's anything wrong with what he did. I think it displays integrity with his idea of what snooker should be about.
and he's done it before:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2010/sep/21/ronnie-o-sullivan-snooker
[quote=toys192 ]When I got my facts from the BBC report quoted by the op. First line.
O'Sullivan, 40, potted 14 reds and 13 blacks before opting for an easier pink as he made a 146 to beat Barry Pinches 4-1 in the first round.
You quote the right bit, but don't appear to have comprehended and bolded the wrong bit, let's try again:
[b]O'Sullivan, 40, potted 14 reds and 13 blacks[/b] before opting for an easier pink as he made a 146 to beat Barry Pinches 4-1 in the first round.
By my calculation Barry Pinches needed 18 snookers at the point Ronnie went for the "easier pink". I think the frame was probably secure.
I can see why he did it, and he has a point - what's more, a lot more people are now talking about a 146 than they would be about a 147, so he did the organisers a favour.
Work of genius. The Welsh Open is all over the news, people are even talking about it on MTB forums, and the prize pot has increased.
Special you say huh, total bulS&%t
Special is some one having the gift of saving a life or a doctor carrying out treatment to enhance a life, ever been on a children's cancer ward?? the nurses and doctors there are Special & the kids even more so.
What a knob, he's lost touch with reality.
He's just letting the prize pot grow. It's taken a year to get to 10K so no point resetting it now.
It's akin to cashing out on your acca bet, he took a gamble that he might win it further down the line when it's more money.
Don't see the issue.
What about the guy who stuck £xx at 10 : 1 or whatever on a 147 , bet he is pretty cheesed off!!! Some people cover this in most tournaments as some cover the 9 darter in a tournament.
By my calculation Barry Pinches needed 18 snookers at the point Ronnie went for the "easier pink". I think the frame was probably secure.
Ok, to me the "easier pink" implied he wanted to take less of a risk with the frame- a 147 is 15 reds, 15 blacks and all the colours after, if he had done 14 R and 13 B then instead of risking going for another B it was easier to pot the pink right? That's where he reduced his risk. Fair enough it may not have been that, but the report said he went for the easier pink and I interpreted this as winning rather than glory at all costs. I guess it depends on your impression of what you were risking..
I appreciate it was probs already won, but maybe its these small margins that make the difference.
it's a game, he made a decision that makes the entire tournament more interesting for (nearly) everyone.
did you know 5 correct numbers in the lottery only bags you a grand these days? Hardly seems worth it does it?
Well done Ronnie money isn't King 🙂 Still wouldn't make me watch snooker though
What a knob, he's lost touch with reality.
what does he think snooker is, some sort of game?
For the last few years there has been a high break prizes as well as the maximum break pot, I assume it's the same this year. High break prize is £2k and he's going to be in the driving seat for that with a 146, its not worth him risking that I that set for the sake of maybe gaining £10k for a maximum he might not achieve. If it had been £20k then maybe it would have been worth the risk.
I fully back him - it's a pretty strong stand to ensure the pot stays in favour of the players rather than the promoters.
Funny how there's so much noise on this forum about "race to the bottom" etc, but the minute a public figure makes a stand to protect an earnings pot for either himself or his peers, he's apparently lost touch.
Fair play to Ronnie - he's a character and brings lots to the sport. And for that, he should be able to command the revenues, not the promoters.
[quote=toys192 ]I appreciate it was probs already won, but maybe its these small margins that make the difference.
When you mention small margins, are you still talking about the 18 snookers needed?
When you mention small margins, are you still talking about the 18 snookers needed?
Exactly. 😆
I'm still waiting for my apology from Junkyard for accusing me of being somebody else..
Particularly harsh accusing you of being TZF I thought 😉
http://www.bbc.com/sport/snooker/35586231
"Without personality and characters, sport dies," Hearn told BBC Radio 5 live. "O'Sullivan is the biggest character in the sport."
Five-time world champion O'Sullivan had scored 80 in the break when he asked an official what the prize was for the highest break. He also asked the commentary box for information and looked visibly disappointed when told he could win up to £12,000.
Hearn, who initially criticised O'Sullivan's actions, said players had no obligation to go for certain shots and 'The Rocket' had not broken any rules.
"Some have said he has brought the game into disrepute but Ronnie brings the game into fine repute," Hearn said on Tuesday.
"In his little head, he thought it would be funny. He is quite dry. The 147 is a the pinnacle but Ronnie has made loads of them, he has got loads of money.
"He is the biggest character in the sport. When he breaks the rules, he gets punished, in this case, it was his choice.
"No-one is bigger than the game but Ronnie is close because he is a fabulous player and a fun personality.
"Without personality and characters, sport dies,"
Quite right!
Particularly harsh accusing you of being TZF I thought
I don't mind the accusation, it was the associated vitriol..
I think it's pretty obvs who I am.
Also I don't know who TZF/Zoofighter is, I feel like I am missing out on something.
I'm still waiting for my apology from Junkyard for accusing me of being somebody else
Not read since then Happy to accept you are not he but it did read like his style and the memeber start date made my spider sense twingle. Still going to keep this thread though .....just in case 😉
. Its really no big deal that doesn't require vitriol or ad hom
Junky opined worthlessly
Both you with the later coming before your appeal
I did not start it but clearly I did contribute after your gambit.
Can I demand an apology now 😛
Junky opined worthlessly
which came after you accused me of making stuff up? I hardly started anything.
And it could be construed as humour, your response was unequivocal, unlike your apology, or lack of. It is a mark of a man to admit when he was wrong. If you look at my profile you will find many examples of me rolling over.
PS demand what you like I got mine in early
I'm sorry to have peeved you so much over a chat about some snooker.
PPS just for clarity, nothing in this post is intended to be funny.
So i apologised and you still had a pop whilst asking for an end to vitriol 😆
It is indeed the mark of a man whether they apologise and how they react to an apology. IMHO its a bit childish to demand an apology if you have no intention of accepting it. I shall leave others to judge the baddy in
FWIW your claim was still taken out of context, required you to ignore the preceding and succeeding paragraphs and was not the correct reason as stated by me, Ronnie and other posters.
Perhaps a better turn of phrase, from me, would have helped. I would apologise again but , given you will still have a go, what would be the point
PPS just for clarity, nothing in this post is intended to be funny.
Good news you were successful 😉
Odd thing to add an as an edit. i think we all got your vitriol.
I haven't seen an apology where is it?
You made an excuse and a hedging statement that you are happy to accept I am who I say I am but your keeping the thread just in case? Where are the words "sorry" or "I apologise".
I don't demand anything anyway, I expected, please do not apologise. I don't care, I have learned something important about you today.
is irrelevant, it was left up to aracer to point out why my assertion was wrong.FWIW your claim was still taken out of context, required you to ignore the preceding and succeeding paragraphs and was not the correct reason as stated by me, Ronnie and other posters.
The Rack Pack on iplayer is worth a watch for a bit of 80s snooker nostalgic entertainment