[Closed] No, seriously?

pingu66 - Member

Ummm

TJ, not sure how to say this but ummm, it is rocket science! We are talking aboout missiles aka rockets!

🙂 I thought that had been wasted completely 🙂

God he really has got under your skin hasn't he

To be fair I think DS is in a generally stroppy mood at the moment, and from what I've seen it's not solely directed at TJ.

God he really has got under your skin hasn't he ...i think you should chill,get out more , get over this and move on

To be fair I think DS is a generally stroppy mood at the moment, and from what I've seen it's not solely directed at TJ.

When I go flying I see a lot more clouds around below 7K, Ewan.

No one else uses the beam riding concept except us and historically it has proven to be prone to user errors.

Military pilots generally have three countermeasures available to it, getting below ground clutter to make the operators time harder, get in clouds, or take hard evasive manurers to generally make it as hard for the operator or optical tracking to track the target. Some have a fourth, the laser beam source can be detected and engaged with guided missiles by some 5th generation fighters.

If we are talking about the olympics...the system is especially hard to operate when aircraft are passing 90 degrees to the operator, now imagine trying to use a beam riding weapon where your line of sight is cluttered by ground objects such as high rise buildings. Ever looked at the part of London they are trying to protect?

Are you looking out for me ernesto?

No stroppy bollox, I was making a suggestion to JY.

No stroppy bollox, I was making a suggestion to JY.

How does it go .............. Whatever 🙄 ?

😆 It would appear that you're rattled.

Is mocking you the sign of being rattled?
can you prove that? 😀

You must be rattled by me then if saying whatever is the sign of being rattled? 😛
night all

you're rattled.

Hugely. As you can imagine.

can you prove that?

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Red circle is the tower where the missile battery will be.

ROFLMAO. Look at all the clutter.... they won't be able to hit shit from there. By the time they can they may as well just resort to small arms fire.

Hey what happened to TooTall, he's either adapting an RC or looking up new big words!

It would be alot easier if we could discuss, rather than attack, I know I would enjoy it more. After all, are we not entitled to our opinions and thoughts. Non in here I think would be privvy to the details of the breadth and depth of specific defenses. Though there are some interesting references here from some people most of what has been said is opinion and conjecture which we should simply agree to disagree on, if indeed we do disagree.

Its the athaletes and visitors I feel sorry fo, I'm meant to be working on the Olympic Park and its a bloody nightmare getting in, security at ground level is pretty good.

Clucking Bell bwaarp, you doing the attack plans? Geez the only thing you haven't got on there is the "kill zone"

Nahhh, it's from the Daily Mail lol.

It would be alot easier if we could discuss, rather than attack, I know I would enjoy it more.

Oh you had me worried, if its in the Mail it must be right!!!!!!!!

Don I don't have an issue with yourself, I enjoy debate but not being attacked, you didn't attack me, however TooTall did. As I say we are all entitled to an opinion. Unfortunately sometimes it blows up.

I assume there are some "personalities" on STW I need to get used to it as a Newbie!

After all I only wanted some bike advice?

Thinking of a do it all CX type bike for long distance training any ideas! Dont want a roady! Ooops wrong thread I guess!

(that was a difuse argument grenade)

Well, supposedly it is the tower that have been told they will have a SAM site on their property.

Don't know why they don't use helicopters with stingers on 24 hour CAP tbh. But hey, all conjecture. Whole thing seems like a choice between do we cause AVGAS to rain down on cockneys or the politicians, corporate sponsors and tourists in the stadium.

Take your pick.

ROFLMAO. Look at all the clutter.... they won't be able to hit shit from there. By the time they can they may as well just resort to small arms fire.

how can you tell from that picture?

The stadium is clearly the intended GDA, the HVM is designed as a point defence weapon to engage oncoming targets, therefore to judge the positioning you need to stand on the tower to get the arc's and engagement ranges. The angle of view in the picture is clearly not adequate to make an assessment.

You also need to add in the likely type of threat; is it FGA or popup AH using stand-off missles (the threat HVM was designed to counter)or a relatively slow moving aircraft/ Helo/ROV that needs to hit the target itself?

HVM is a very effective missile with a short time of flight, they were talking about 11 men so thats likely to be two launchers with supporting kit to identify targets and to man the radios.

They will obviously have tight rules of engagement (Weapons Tight at least) as all AD does as pilots don't like getting shot down by their own side.

all off Wikipedia 😉

[b][i]Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said:

"The majority of this exercise will be played out in full view of the public and I hope that it will have a secondary effect of reassuring the British people that everything possible is being done to ensure this will be a safe and secure Olympic and Paralympic Games." [/i][/b]

I wasn't aware that Londoners felt insecure about the Olympic Games taking place, I certainly haven't heard anyone expressing concern about their safety because of the Olympic Games.

I assume that might change now that Philip Hammond has highlighted the possibility of a terrorist attack.

I guess the "war in terror" hasn't gone quite as we might have hoped, what with terrorists now so powerful that they can threatening us with [i]"very high performance low-flying aircraft"[/i]. Time to up the antes I reckon, and give rogue states and all who habour terrorists something which will make them think twice. Iran seems to be a good place to start.

Thank goodness we have a government which is committed to defending the British people. Thank goodness we have a Tory Defence Secretary........ I know who I'll voting for next election.

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/9236915/Olympic-defence-missiles-dont-work-in-bad-weather.html ]Olympic defence missiles 'don't work in bad weather'[/url]

Starstreak and Rapier missile systems - which have a range of around 4 miles -

any article that quotes the range of rapier at 4 miles isn't worth the rest of the read.

rapier can be radar controlled
(info off Wiki)

HVM is the last layer in the AD strategy so if they can't see the aircraft, it can't see where it is flying unless it's a helo flying along the streets which they won't be able to do much about anyway.

it will be 80% guff anyway, the first principle of defence is to make sure they think you are prepared, they won't be expecting any action due to the deterent effect of visibly countering the threat

any article that quotes the range of rapier at 4 miles isn't worth the rest of the read.

What ?..... not even when it's in the Daily Telegraph ?

You know...... the Daily Telegraph.......the newspaper which Brigadier General "Bunny" Warren-Balderdash-Anddammit de Huffle-Pyffle of Upper Chipping upon Thames reads

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**** me, they could take out elfinsafety from that distance?

You know...... the Daily Telegraph.......the newspaper which Brigadier General "Bunny" Warren-Balderdash-Anddammit de Huffle-Pyffle of Upper Chipping upon Thames reads

Mmm surely the old IRA tactic (and simple at that) is required here. Get a truck, chop the roof off, whack in some
big Mortars, park it on the A12 at a jaunty angle , light blue touch paper and run. Doesn't matter if no one gets hurt but if you Lob something that goes bang into the Olympic park job done. And a lot easier that building a laser avoiding drone using the maplins catalogue!