[Closed] No kids at 35.

Yep. You've left it sufficiently late that your partner's friends will convince her that the route to conception will involve doctors rather than a slightly increased shagging regimen.

🙁

Just do lots of practicing on the how to make them bit so you'll be ready when the time comes..

Oh, and you'll probably end up with twins.

My wife and I are nearly 40 with no kids. If we ever changed our minds we've always said there's plenty of kids without a decent home waiting for someone to look after them and give them a decent life, hopefully we could help with that.

there's plenty of kids without a decent home

Well said.

I was 37 when my daughter was conceived. I'm glad I didn't wait much longer as I do feel like a bit of an old Dad. I'm often in the same age group as her friends grandparents.

Try no kids at 45 and was fairly ambivalent about the whole idea my wife was 35 and became very keen . I am now pushing 50 and crankbrat is pushing 4 . My life is totally different but a love it . Certainly things would be easier if I was ten years younger.

Who said you've got to have them?

Act now before it's too late and get the snip

I was 37 when my daughter was conceived. I'm glad I didn't wait much longer as I do feel like a bit of an old Dad. I'm often in the same age group as her friends grandparents.

Rough games can go awry though. The broken leg and separated shoulder during a Buzz Lightyear re-enactment was a hoot. (The older fool did the shoulder).

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27730752 ]This is probably what he has read.[/url]
Also borrow a good microscope to check your side of the bargain. You can keep the slide.

Wife and I are both over 40 and would rather have a dog than a baby.

you wont miss what you havent got .. an besides you'll have a stack of cash and loads of holidays. although kids bring a whole set of happiness and pain.

I think you've missed the issue of who is having the baby and ultimately its the other half that decides ( just as well as I dont fancy the birth process). Good luck whatever you decide and its never the right time to have a kids they just come along 🙂 )

I'm 41 - 3 kids, 2 grand kids (but no dog)

Each to their own - would be dull if we were all the same!

Fairly late here (37). Glad I did, I think being older makes it easier to change, and you've done all the young adult stuff (fast cars, exotic holidays etc).

Everyone is different. We started at 30 but it took 5 yrs & 2 X IVF to have our daughter. Now I wish we'd started sooner.

We were 40 before our boy came along.

I took a lot of persuading to change my lifestyle, I didn't think that swapping all my time and money for a kid sounded like a good deal. Thankfully I was wrong, and nothing has changed, it's just got added dollops of love & fun. I still ride & snowboard and instead of working long hours I come home to see my family.

Start working on your fitness, 4 yr old boys take some keeping up with

35 here and also no kids, along with no real drive to have them. Wife is a couple of years younger but, despite most of our friends either having them or trying for them, we have no interest at all. For the moment we quite like the lack of responsibilities and the extra money in the bank.

Maybe in a few years but I remain very ambivalent at the moment towards them.

I was late 30's when I started thinking I was missing something.
(not my keys 😉 )
Then the Missus realised she didn't have an endless supply of eggs and we went defcon 1. That will be the $hit or get off the pot time.
I'm 45 soon and Li'l J is 3 in August. I know she wants another, but I worry I'm too old & can we afford it.
I reckon 45 is my limit so she'll have to get cracking. 😉
Like Scotroutes, sometimes I do feel like an old dad & like Crankboy,if I could change one thing I would have done it 10 years before....
Luckily I cycle - apparently that makes you 10 years younger doesn't it?

I was 35 with no kids. Now I'm 46 with 3.

Watch the tv advert for the Citroen Grand Picasso for a quick precis of my life.

Watch the tv advert for the Citroen Grand Picasso for a quick precis of my life.

😆

Just about all my coupled up/married friends are having kids now, there's about a 12 year range there, with about 40 being the top. Some intentional, some not. Most of the same gang are getting married and buying houses.

I'm 27, and am now starting to get the 'you next' chat quite a lot, WTF?

I'm in no rush to do any of the above, I live with my girlfriend of 10 years, we're comfortable enough, I save a bit of money, have a rally car, 3 bikes, 3 guns, lots of cool 'stuff' and a dog.

That'll do me for several years yet I reckon, I've always thought I'd want kids, but can't imagine changing my lifestyle so radically any time soon.

Just do things at your own pace, with the only proviso being you don't ignore your biological clock(s) completely, and are prepared for it being potentially more difficult/expensive to get pregnant if you leave it a lot longer.

Children aren't for everyone. Neither is adoption*

Whilst time is on your side, it's different for ladies. It might be time to have the conversation. The chance of fetal abnormalities such as down syndrome increase dramatically with the mother's age. I hate to be realist.

I'm a 31 year old father of two and wouldn't change my life for anything; except perhaps this Sunday morning. I was woken at 6 am by a 6 month old with a leaky nappy, a 3 year old who's world would fall apart if he didn't have mashed potato for breakfast** and the hangover to end all hangovers.

*my hat goes off to people who do.

**he got biscuits if he promised to watch cartoons quietly.

I'm 50 next year with a 19 year old and a 13 year old. I'm glad I got their early years out the way when I was a bit younger - they're bloody knackering.

it's not compulsory or anything to do with your friends.

Is there any reason you want Kids ?

Plenty of folk out there without Kids and no real reason to have nor want any either. It's not a pre requisite of being a Human to have Kids, and anyone who comments about upholding a legacy really shouldn't be considering having them IMO.

The older the population gets the older the age to have Kids. If you think you should have them before a certain age then having them in your 20's would have been optimum, however you may not have been in a decent enough financial situation back then, now you may be.

Plenty of single parent families around that would change a few things in their lives had they not had/had to early Kids.. I reckon some long hard though ought to go into any decision about whether you want Kids and whether you actually go through with having them.

I don't have Kids and my life is pretty damn Perfect.

had our 1st at 36, and by god it is tiring.. but so what, i was able to do things when i was in my early 30's that those with kids couldn't... we're trying for number 2 (i'm 39 now). i don't really want to be in my 40's with a 2 year old.. good god no. (though if i am, then so be it)

I was 35 for my eldest and 37 for my youngest.

Yesterday I was roller skating at my youngest's 10th birthday party while all the other parents sat on the sidelines. Think I surprised a few of them.

No way would I have got to do that again, if I didn't have kids.

Is there any reason you want Kids ?

Yep, most women are programmed with a biological imperative to have them.

You can try and fight it, but you are on to a loser; the sooner you realise that the easier your life will be.

No age is too late to be a Dad, its the ladies who have the biological clock. Certainly tougher the older you are but if you want kids then go ahead, it can be the most frustrating experience but overall its wonderful.

I had kids in my late 20's and early 30's. I think being a bit older is probably good in some ways, and not so good in others, but being a *lot* older would have been ridiculously, unpleasantly hard.

i was 28/29. one of the things important to me was to still be fairly young when they are adults - when they're in their 20's ill be in my early 50's. i suppose when that time comes i'll wish i was a bit younger but its no age anyway really.

51 and nearly free of kids .My youngest is 15 .I cant imagine having kids now I am free to do what I want now .I had my first at 25 so was able to do less then but now being mortgage and sprog free am able to have more impromptu fun !!

First at 38, wife was 40. Only thing I regret is not doing it earlier as I might have had more energy but it wasn't meant to be

You're as old as you feel

Quite annoying to have people you may or indeed may not know very well start the inquisition about when you'll be having kids etc. Partly because you never really know what people are going through privately, could easily be the case that people have been trying for a long period without success, or been through miscarriages and other trauma and the queries just pile on the pressure. It's no one's business but your own. Unless you know someone *very* well indeed, I'd lay off that line of enquiry entirely. If you know them that well they probably have told you already.

Also don't like the idea that it's inevitable that you ought to be having them. It involves significant changes/compromises to lifestyle that shouldn't really be given up lightly. It's not so much that parenthood is overrated, it's that it is often very difficult to get a break from it. Like being served your favourite meal every mealtime. At some point you'll want a change.

For context I'm a 38 year old with a 20 month old child. I'm starting to get the same inquisition about when the next sprog is going to appear.

I'm 40 with a five year old and a nearly two year old.
I guess I was about your age when we had our first.
Both conceived by the.. erm.. "traditional" method (though not much sign of that ever since! 😈 )

So I wouldn't say you've left it too late. Neither would I let people push you into having kids. It's not compulsory and it's not for everyone.

But I would urge you to [i]think[/i] about your decision and make a conscious choice - men can quite easily sleepwalk through these things and then only realise they've made their choice (one way or the other) too late.

You can have mine.

was 35 for first and 37 for no 2. Don't show any fear and never feed them after midnight.

I'm 37, my wife is 38, we are pretty happily child free (it was discussed early on for us and has always been this way), perhaps we are missing something, but I don't feel like that when watching friends holding the little tykes as they vomit all over them (last weekend).

Enjoy your life and live it the way you want to.

Had jnrW at 36, was ambivalent about kids before that. But now he's here I'd not change a thing and we'll have another (at which point I'll be 39). I'll be an older dad but that's fine. It's extra motivation for training!

"wish we'd started sooner" I think this is possibly a universal with parents, they're just thinking that if they had kids earlier there's a chance the little spongers will be off their hands soon 🙂

Had first at 35, I'll be well into my 50s before me and the mrs have the house to ourselves again 🙁

I'm 29, partner is 32, currently starting the IVF process (i'll be glad when it's over either way, it's not making her life very pleasent). I don't know if starting any sooner would have changed anything but it was only after 2 years of trying that we found out there was a problem. After a few procedures for her, laprioscopy etc, we've been told that it's 'undiagnosed infertility'. We've been lucky enough to have been offered IVF on the NHS (only one cycle compared to 3 in other areas, but you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth), and have decided that we'll give it 3 goes, if nothing happens then we'll knock it on the head.

We were both quite ambivalent about kids,but I guess you always want what you cant have.

Looking around at friends who've had kids late, I'm glad that at 50 my 'kids' are 21, 20 and 17 - rather than sub-school-age...

Do it now. Start tonight. Don't necessarily try for a baby, just stop using contraception.
Being a parent is a job for the young, at any rate not for the old.

I don't know anyone with kids who has regretted it (except perhaps one with a handicapped child)

But at 60+ I do know a number of childless couples who get teary when drunk, about how they wish they'd had them and how they made the wrong decisions in their 30s to have "fun" instead. In the scheme of things, that "fun" pales into insignificance beside the joys & terrors of children.

Personal choice, innit?

If you want them but not had them yet, the constant 'when are you having kids?' questions was annoying - especially for Mrs TP. I think it's a well meaning question, especially from older generations.

I don't judge people who don't want them (my brother and several close friends as examples). However, I knew an absolutely lovely guy - never had kids and lived with his wife and dogs. Didn't see him for a few years but heard that his wife died of Cancer and left him alone. I bumped in to him one day and we had a long chat, he was clearly depressed and very lonely. His parting words were to ensure that I had children - not doing so was his only regret. He died a few weeks later. That encounter not only cemented by desire for kids, but not to leave it too late so that I could enjoy being a parent for as long as possible.

Early 40's here with a 3 yo and a 1 yo. It's brilliant, but it is bloody hard and exhausting, though I don't think that'd be any less so if I was in my 20's. I was also a bit of a mess in my 20's and think I make a much better dad now than I ever would have then.

We started trying in our early 30's (most definitely wasn't ready before that) and it did take ages, was a rocky road, and we needed quite a bit of help for both of ours. It probably will happen when you want it to, but don't just assume that'll be the case.

we've been told that it's 'undiagnosed infertility'.

You have my sympathy! Do lots of research. There are lots of facilities offering a range of different treatments. I've we'd not done this and just kept trying the same thing then I really don't think we'd have our kids.

OP
Switch off the internet and have a big conversation with your partner of 8 years. Weird that you haven't already,but hey ho some folk are a bit odd.

Make your own minds up,for whatever reasons.

Leave the internet for :-
What tyres?
What FS?
What HT?
SPDs or Flats?
Do you wear a helmet?
What bike for £4000?

Switch off the internet and have a big conversation with your partner of 8 years. Weird that you haven't already,but hey ho some folk are a bit odd.

Conversely: seeking the opinion, advice and experiences of others who have already made the decision one way or the other is a pretty sensible way to gather your thoughts before having a big conversation that may well be a defining point in your relationship with your partner and the direction of your life.

The issue is not so much whether normal female fertility drops off a cliff as you approach 40, but whether there may be an previous undetected issue for either of you that makes conceiving more difficult.

If you start trying for kids when she is 25-30, find out there's a problem, IVF success rates are OK. If you start trying for kids at 36-40, find out there's a problem, IVF is far less likely to succeed.

http://www.hfea.gov.uk/ivf-success-rate.html

Do it now. Start tonight. Don't necessarily try for a baby, just stop using contraception.
Being a parent is a job for the young, at any rate not for the old.

I don't know anyone with kids who has regretted it (except perhaps one with a handicapped child)

But at 60+ I do know a number of childless couples who get teary when drunk, about how they wish they'd had them and how they made the wrong decisions in their 30s to have "fun" instead. In the scheme of things, that "fun" pales into insignificance beside the joys & terrors of children.

**** of the thread award goes to...

I'm 36, wife 35 our first is 12 days old...we planned sooner but ended up the IVF route, undiagnosed infertility too (basically I think work stress for both of us). Took about 5.5 years from the "discussion" on my wife's 30th till little one is here. If you want kids don't mess about and get on with it. I didnt want to be an old dad either.

I am currently knackered, about 3hrs of broken sleep a day for 2 weeks.....an angel in the day a monster at night. I've already been pissed and vomited on today! Currently trying to work out when he'll be faster than me on a bike. I think I've got 13 years, then I'll start putting lead in his frame.

our first is 12 days old...
I am currently knackered, about 3hrs of broken sleep a day for 2 weeks....

The bad news is it gets worse before it gets better.

The good news is it does [i]eventually[/i] get (a bit) better, usually around the six month mark.

The good news is it does eventually get (a bit) better, usually around the [s]six month[/s] 18 year mark.

The good news is it does eventually get (a bit) better, usually around the six month mark.

With our first, the first 6 months were awful for sleep. We then had about 3 months when we thought we'd got it sorted. Then the next 9 months after that were awful again (teething, no end of colds, illnesses as well as a couple of weeks in hospital with bronchiolitis.) He's still not a brilliant sleeper, was up pretty much every hour all night one night last week.

Our second on the other hand has been brilliant and has slept from 7pm to 7am pretty much every night since about 6 months.

Anyway might be straying a bit off topic here.

34 when I had my first, 37 when second came along.

Think I found it harder to get over sleepless nights than friends who had kids in their 20s, but had more maturity and financial security.

There is never a right time, always reasons not to. But halfway through a part time degree while working full time wasn't ideal!

Leaving it later is more an issue for ladies - evidence it is harder to conceive, slightly increased risk of problems.

A colleague remarried and started a second family at 56. He looks permanently exhausted with two young boys now he is 64!

Society makes a big deal of " You must breed to carry on your genes and without an offspring, life has no meaning".
I have no kids, in my mid 40s. Never wanted them. So when I die that's it. I'm fine with that.
Whenever I meet up with old friends/family the conversation inevitably goes to their kids and how amazing little Johnny is doing in school/university/wherever. Never that little Then it's usually "you should get some/your life will be complete/blah blah blah". When I tell them I'd rather not as I'm far too self centered and the thought of bringing up a kid appeals to me as much as putting my hand in a vat of acid they walk away.

Early 40's here with a 3 yo and a 1 yo. It's brilliant, but it is bloody hard and exhausting, though I don't think that'd be any less so if I was in my 20's. I was also a bit of a mess in my 20's and think I make a much better dad now than I ever would have then.

Same here. Definitely couldn't have done it any earlier because I was a stupid party boy until I met my wife when I was 32. Now is great - 2 boys: 3.5 and 1.5. Nothing beats watching my eldest whizzing around on his bike (no stabilizers - been riding since he turned 3 - very proud!). Havent found it that hard - easy conception, they sleep good, well behaved etc etc. So it can be ok. I still get to see my mates and ride my bike regularly - not as much as I did before but its fine as time with kids is good time.

i guess for most its delaying the inevitability .. the problem arises when you decide n+1 which then prolongs the other inevitability ( the kids leaving home for uni etc ). A few friends had kids when they were young and then had a few more later on mid 30's which ended up with a 10+ year gap between the 1st and last. The 2nd inevitability will be atleast 28 years !)

At this point one considers getting a move on 🙂 before closing that chapter!

I'm 26 and gf is 27. We've been together for nearly 5 years. Over the past 6 months, i've noticed that she's become more interested in kids. When that time does come, the first thing I'll ask for are some tests to check fertility for the pair of us.

with a global population of 7Billion+ and climbing fast, we need more people to choose the no-kids route.

of course, it helps if you don't really want them.

kids are a bit like classic VW camper vans, it's nice to see them out and about, but i understand they're a lot of work.

(i'm 37)

edit: we've discussed adoption.

I offer no advice on whether you should have children or not - that's a personal decision. However, if you do decide to have them I'd suggest getting on with it!
I had mine when I was 40. In many ways that was a good decision because I was far too selfish to have kids when I was younger, and by the time I was 40 I was financially able to take a couple of years off work to be a stay-at-home-dad which was great. Also, being an older dad isn't as much of a stigma as it used to be - there's plenty of us around.
However, I'm now 50 with a ten year old and honestly don't have the energy to do all the things I'd like to, and health problems start to get in the way.
So, on balance, I wish I'd started five or ten years earlier...

41 here and no kids, despite trying for something like 5 years and suffering two second trimester miscarriages. We're trying again, but you always have that thought about the decreasing quality of eggs and sperm and the increasing chances of Downes,

After set-backs like we've had, you start resenting people that got pregnant easily at a younger age and just don't seem to give a shit about it.

I don't have Kids and my life is pretty damn Perfect.

I thought this, as I never really thought I wanted kids as I was pretty happy and good a life, but my other half was mid thirties with 4+ friends who had waited and now can't have them for one reason or the other, which has caused them a lot of heartache as most of them thought they still had time as they were only in there mid to late thirties at the time. So I now have a 4 week old at home.

And while I thought my life was pretty perfect before he arrived, I was wrong. My life is much, much better now, its very tiring, very hard but very good. Its amazing how much they improve your life. You think they won't and you aren't missing out, but the fact of it is you are, as we are pre-programmed to adore them, and you lose hours just looking at them.

It's much harder for women than men to leave it late, as men can (in theory) have kids much later in life whereas when a women gets over 40 the chances nosedive, and the risks increase and if you go down the IVR route its very expensive and the side effects can make life pretty miserable for your other half.

with a global population of 7Billion+ and climbing fast, we need more people to choose the no-kids route.

I suspect a more progressive attitude to birth control world wide would make a bit more difference to this than me choosing to have a second child 🙄

and part of birth control is choice.

if we're to get a lid on population growth, we need to move away from the societal expectation that a couple will have kids. That couples without kids are somehow weird.

we all need to be part of that change if it's going to work.

(s'abit like climate change: what difference can *I* make?)

Nearly 37 when my first was born, and despite being the least fit I've been in 25 years, I'm still far fitter and more active than the vast majority of the parents of my kids' friends, even the much younger ones.

[quote=cloudnine ]Just do lots of practicing on the how to make them bit [s]so you'll be ready when the time comes..[/s] because you won't need to do any afterwards

We only had two practices in total - it's not necessarily true about older women having trouble conceiving 🙄

I suspect a more progressive attitude to birth control world wide would make a bit more difference to this than me choosing to have a second child

Yes it's only foreigners that are overpopulating the earth.

From experience - all I will add to the above is don't assume it will all be plain sailing.

You can lose years trying and failing. 35 (for the woman) is as long as I'd want to leave it before you start to try.

Yes it's only foreigners that are overpopulating the earth.

FFS 🙄

I'm 27, and am now starting to get the 'you next' chat quite a lot, WTF?

I used to get that a lot from elderly relatives, they soon stopped when I started doing it to them at funerals.

Early 40s here, wife in late 30s. We don't want kids and we can't have them by conventional means anyway. OH likes being "cool Auntie" with friends, but I just lack that gene and always have.

I've had people ask me "so when did you decide not to have children?" and that seems arse-backwards to me; I've never decided not to have children in the same way that I haven't decided not to buy an elephant.

Hypothetically though I think if I were to have kids, I'd rather have them when I was younger. I'd want to have the energy to play with them and go on adventures as they grew up rather than sitting there decrepit waiting to leave them as fatherless teenagers. But like I said, I really don't want them so my opinion is probably worthless.

we need to move away from the societal expectation that a couple will have kids. That couples without kids are somehow weird.

As an aside, I see this trotted out quite often as an argument against same-sex marriage. To wit, one of the central tenets of marriage is reproduction, and as same-sex couples can't have kids their marriage is invalid.

So clearly, same-sex couples can't adopt or use donors, and heterosexual couples who don't want of can't have children should divorce immediately.

[i]I'm 26 and gf is 27. We've been together for nearly 5 years. Over the past 6 months, i've noticed that she's become more interested in kids. When that time does come, the first thing I'll ask for are some tests to check fertility for the pair of us. [/i]

Eh? No, what you do is shag without protection and if she's not pregnant without a year or so then see the Dr...

37, thought 'might as well, done everything else'. hit the target first bloody go. dammit.

I never had the expectation that I would have children and fortunately herself seems similarly inclined.
It is starting to grate a bit at work with the fecundity of some of my colleagues who now treat me as if I'm stupid and hard of hearing because, "I don't have children".

I was 42 when our twins were born and there are plenty of kids at school with parents closer to my age than in their 20s (and some that are older then me). I left it a bit later than I wanted, but my wife is 9 years younger than me and she wasn't ready. Then we found out that we had to go down the IVF route after about 9 months of continual bonking (which actually became a chore).

there are plenty of kids at school with parents closer to my age than in their 20s

Same here - I suspect it depends what area you live in, but there is certainly no "older dad" stigma around here. Most of the parents at the reception year school gate are late 30s to mid-40s.

Kids are the best invention ever. Some may say the same re beer, bacon and bikes ... I probably did until becoming a father. Monkey jnr is nearly 5 and totally awesome.

I suspect it depends what area you live in

I've never decided not to have children in the same way that I haven't decided not to buy an elephant.

Fair enough. But after careful consideration I have finally decided not to buy an elephant. It would be nice but I just don't need one - the giraffe is just fine for current purposes.

We were mid-20s, but lots of our kids' friends have parents who are ~10 years older than us. It's far less of an issue than it used to be, and the cost of housing means more people will wait as more need two full incomes to get by.

I'm glad we had them early, because it means that they should be out of our hair by the time we turn 50 🙂

Both our parents were relatively young when they had us, so perhaps that colours our experience and opinions? My mam turns 56 next month - I'm her oldest child and will be 38 this year, my eldest is her oldest grandchild and will be 12 in August.

Actually, now that I've thought about it, I knew 5 of my 8 great-grandparents so perhaps wanting/having kids early is genetic?

My son born when I was 39 and wife 34. Thought we might not have kids as wife seemed too into having a career but she was keen so we did. Was happy before but happy now in more ways, life has more meaning 🙂 and I get more enjoyment out of my son's achievements than my own. In my old age hope that he'll have a family - turns out I'm a soppy family man really.

Oh and we need more people born here - though it's more than made up for with the immigration but if more of those nice middle class types had kids and educated them well I'm sure that would be of benefit to us all 🙂