‘Handgun owner two weeks after Dunblane’ vibes
well clearly not as I’ve said in the 2nd reply on this thread they should be banned as they are, and have always been dangerous.
However announcing a reactionary ban with absolutely zero plan of how to implement it (they can’t even identify the breed) strikes me as a cyclical vote grabber.
I'd be too scared of it to own one.
Right on cue:-
Here's another
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ian-price-american-xl-bullies-attack-b2412314.html
These dogs are lethal weapons, and not only that, they are uncontrollable.
At least with a gun or a knife you have to make a consious choice to pull the trigger, these things are beyond the pale.
My two pence is to ban them (just make the ban pretty wide to cope with the fact the breeds are poorly defined), then destroy the existing ones. Job jobbed.
Whilst I'm sure to a large extent it's the owners fault, if the dog doesn't exist then it can't hurt someone regardless of the owners attitude (see gun availability in the UK vs US and the impact on gun related suicide / murder). Clearly it's imperfect but no dog is worth a childs life.
I don't get the difficulty banning the breed as its not identified. Ffs, I know a big scary dog when I see one, it's easy to measure and weigh one and I bet a dog handler can do a simple behaviour test too. Combination score over a certain mark and penalties come in.
Totalling up suggestions here and we get a system very like motor vehicles. Only trusted breeders can issue a 'dog v5' chip, owners get a licence allowing category of ownership, make a mistake and you get fine and points in your licence, 3 points for fouling upto a lifetime ban for an attack on a person or abusing the animal. I'd also add compulsory 3rd party insurance to pay for damage, vet bills or medical bills if the dog misbehaves.
Costly of course, but reducing dog ownership seems a good thing.
If only it were workable.
I also think that these types of dogs are owned almost exclusively by a particular demographic.
The type of demographic that tends to ware urine stained, grey tracksuit bottoms, North-Face puffa jackets, and even in hot weather they will have the hood pulled up.
Anyone not content with expressing an opinion here can vote on the Brimingham Mail's poll, it's half way down the page:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/unusual-thank-you-note-driver-27717063
Anyone wondering what an STW member was doing reading a click-bait, white-van-man-in-good-news story in click-bait ooooouh-have-you-seen-this rag can continue in wonder.
When these XL bully stories started appearing I wondered who would want to own such a dog. It soon became apparent. As we can't ban the sort of owners who make the news with these dogs and prison places are short I think banning the dogs is a reasonable solution.
I'm fairly sure if the trend for dog ownership continues at the rate it is currently mandatory muzzling will be rolled out for all dogs. This doesn't prevent incidents within the home but it will reduce incidents in public. I just can't see another solution?
It really doesn't matter how well trained the dog or how responsible the owner if it has no muzzle then any number of unaccounted for scenarios could end up with someone getting hurt. We introduced most or all the modern dog breeds into society and now we need to manage them.
Many breeds of dog should really be just the domain of security services or specialist occupations (hunting dogs on estates etc) and not kept as pets. Just my opinion.
an article on R4 once quotes 'all dogs are 99% wild animals' so to my earlier point on size, if its too heavy to control in full red mist mode it shouldnt be allowed
It's the size, weight and jaw size thats an issue, and most, if not all of these dogs seem to be inbred.
I had the horrible task of pulling a friend's terrier of another friend's cat (in the cat's own home) - pinned the dog down and shoved both thumbs into it's throat. Dog let go and I locked it between both arms, but had to sit on it for about 10 minutes for it to calm down - the lady owner couldn't control it and I wouldn't let the dog go. Cat had to be put down due to internal injuries. Human blood everywhere from dog's owners, cat owner and I got scratches.
I’m fairly sure if the trend for dog ownership continues at the rate it is currently mandatory muzzling will be rolled out for all dogs
I'm fairly sure you're wrong 🙄
I do worry about my neice - she had two of these smaller pocket bullies (think she's got one now, but they had pups). Partner is a bit of a lad! They aren't known for looking after animals - he works away and she has to look after them - gave a couple of cats away as she couldn't cope with cats and two kids (and previous dogs they gave away). Now has this monster in the house.
"The dogs will be banned by the end of the year but we haven't defined what they are yet" is like that bit at the start of Casualty where you see a tanker full of acid driving along the road and a bus full of orphans coming the other way. I mean, I don't have any faith in this government at the best of times but this is almost doomed to be bad law.
Totally happy with the idea of taking action on dangerous dogs (and further action on their owners)but I'd like if it weren't done just to create headlines. Doing it right or well isn't even going to figure in the logic is it
Its changed though since the pandemic hasnt it?
Dogs have become a consumer item. Not working, doesnt fit my lifestyle? Just get rid (sorry "rehome"). Maybe make a few quid. Not my problem anymore.
Also a generation of dogs now 3 years old-ish not socialised, dont know how to interact. Adult 2.5-3.5 year personality now settling with reactive behavior. Permanent lead dogs.
Shirley we should ban all household pets for the sake of the environment and sustainability?
I've always been a 'not bad dogs, bad owners' but there was an interview on the radio that has made me think again on this; these types (and I know we can't define type specifically) are bred to be aggressive and as have a more than average chance of being unhinged. And then of such size and musculature that if the switch is flipped, you can't control what happens. Could be as simple as a kid standing on its foot by accident, or startling it by appearing out of nowhere while on a run. If the fight or flight impulse is then to rip your throat out, because that's their 'breed' characteristics it doesn't really matter how good or bad the ownership.
The gun analogy doesn't stand up, for me. A gun won't leap out of its holster because it's just been freaked and randomly kill or maim a passer-by on its own. These dogs might.
I used to be ok with dogs. But I have now stopped running through the woods after work due to the number of dogs and being chased 3 times last year by snarling angry dogs with the owner shouting "they won't bit you" , well I'm don't trust what they say.
Any dog that bites someone in a public place should be put down.
And the owner prosecuted as if they had attached with a weapon.
Maybe then the owners will train and control their pet so this never happens.
This has been bubbling under for a while dog fighting is back in a few areas of the UK population. See also ear cutting and tail docking.
Ironically I got bit last week by an out of control staffie and an absolute ashat of a owner.(the owner didn't bit me)
XL dogs are 99% owned for breading and drug gang status by me.
They are used as visible status of power.
Good luck banning them when the owners will just turn them out onto the streets or dump them with the RSPCA.
Just heard on BBC that 20% of incidents are XL Bully. While that's a lot for one type of dog we still have the other 80% to deal with from presumably a complete mixture of breeds...
Some kind of RSPCA/Judge Dredd mashup is clearly in order.
https://twitter.com/GalacticaDrama1/status/1702734663293280390?t=uNoTpq6ex3I56xt4vttTDA&s=19
Dogs have become a consumer item.
That ship sailed decades ago.
Just heard on BBC that 20% of incidents are XL Bully. While that’s a lot for one type of dog we still have the other 80% to deal with from presumably a complete mixture of breeds…
What type of incident? How many? How many dogs are there in the uk? What’s the ratio of these ‘incidents’ compared to ownership?
The dogs are 99% wild animals means nothing either.
Banning specific breeds seems difficult and a constantly moving target.
I think a better option would be to set an upper weight limit on dogs, say 20kg. Obviously it would be difficult to predict a dogs weight at birth, but breeders seem to be able to breed for certain traits, so they could breed to ensure the dog is lower than 20kg.
So, rather than control the breed of dog, it would control the damage a dog could do, and how controllable it is.
The human race is too numerous and no longer intelligent enough to own domesticated animals for recreation and the whole practice should be illegal and abandoned.
The world would be a better place without them for all inhabitants.
They say that most serious and sadistic crimes can be traced back to the perpetrators starting out on animals.
Some of you really need to go look in the mirror.
Or maybe I'm just a weird vegetarian lefty who thinks jokes about killing animals and people are in bad taste.
The Staffie isn't a particualrly big or heavy dog but they sure do bite, pk17. My mate bought one and used to turn up at the club for coffee with it. Then one day he turned up without the dog and without the end of one of his fingers. An encounter with another dog had turned his rough and tumble pet into a savage beast. And that's a breed of dog which isn't concerned by French dangerous dog laws which require muzzling some breeds in public spaces.
The human race is too numerous and no longer intelligent enough to own domesticated animals for recreation and the whole practice should be illegal and abandoned.
I can think of things I'd ban before domestic animals: powered cycles with more than 252W, cars with more than 50bhp/tonne, ICE cars, gas central heating - all do far more harm than dogs.
Madame's/our pet is a horse. I'm not into dogs but have no issues with people owning well-trained dogs on a short lead, with a muzzle if required, who pick up their shit.
People seem to own some breeds just to intimidate people, either as guard dogs or weapons they can display on the street. No you can't carry a big knife but you can have a bully XL or some other nasty hound Mr drug dealer.
No you can’t carry a big knife but you can have a bully XL or some other nasty hound Mr drug dealer.
Mr drug dealer will more than likely have a knife than a dog.
I agree that the drug dealer would be more likely to carry a knife but doing so would be arrestable at the discretion of a police office under knife or offensive weapons laws. The knife would be restricted to folding under three inches and even then covered by offensive weapons laws in which the actual or intended purpose determines if it's weapon.
Having a dog needs similar restrictions. A woman who used to work at the riding school Madame frequents was killed by her boyfriend's dog. She took the dog out for a walk and it turned on here. The dog was an illegal import the guy had trained to attack. He's currently in prison.
I was bitten (well, more a nip) on the ankle once by a small yappy dog. Apparently it was my fault because I was wearing a red coat and I looked like a postman 🤷♂️
I see today they are not going to have a mass culling of the existing bully xls, but control measures put in place. That's going to get very messy. As said previously I do have some sympathy for owners of dogs that have to date not been an issue having to euthanize their pet (no matter how poor a choice it was) but this potential fudge will make it even harder to enforce no new dogs being bred.
But the banning of pets mentioned above - I think if the world got to a place where pet ownership couldn't be a thing, I'm not sure I'd want in. I'm not say it's wise in all circumstances and all choice and behaviours are perfect, but banning - no no no.
You've got to know the limitation's of your dogs behaviour. Sister's lab is lovely, great fun, looks after his two year old toddler, but he is hard to control when he sees other big male dogs. Sister won't walk him and push a pram. He's walked twice a day, has done training, but is still a pain with other large male dogs, Other sister's cavalier seems to get pcked on by other small breeds, especially frenchies - nasty little buggers.
At least with a gun or a knife you have to make a consious choice to pull the trigger, these things are beyond the pale.
Unless its some toddler playing with that new toy their irresponsible parent left lying around.
I am not sure how a sensible law can be passed though to handle the chavs going on to the next breed.
I think a better option would be to set an upper weight limit on dogs, say 20kg
😂🙄😂
Imagine, every year you take Fido for his annual jabs, the vet weighs him and says "sorry mate, he's put on a bit of weight....we're gonna have to kill him"
Apparently it was my fault because I was wearing a red coat and I looked like a postman
Of course it was your fault. Anything a dog does, up to actually killing a member of your close family in which case you can express mild disappointment, is automatically adorable. So biting, slobbering, licking, barking, destruction of property, eating your picnic, fouling evey green space in town, these are all absolutely fine. Get with the program.
I get all the 'it's the owner' that tends to more at fault with dogs usually, but as others have said, this breed were created (through inbreeding as well) to be larger, more aggressive dogs, it's sad that good dog owners, who have brought these types of dogs into their home not for what they were bred for, but for having a family pet, and will suffer now.
We adopted a small terrier and she can nip when playful, next door have a staffie, and it does more than nip if i get my finger between her and a treat, a bully XL, that's just asking for trouble, even when playful or doing simple every day tasks.
This has been bubbling under for a while dog fighting is back in a few areas of the UK population. See also ear cutting and tail docking.
There was talk a couple of years back about this going on in the woods near where I lived. I took it with a pinch of salt because it was usually accompanied with the racial slur that starts with a P and oft preceded by ****ing, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that's where the output of the neighbour's puppy farm was going. The mother certainly wasn't there as a beloved house pet, only human interaction it had was when the lads rolled out bed at the crack of 3pm and started screaming at it to shut the **** up.
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That won't be the sharp end of dog fighting, that involves rape crates as if you want fighting dogs, you're selecting ones that want to do nothing other than rip the other to shreds which isn't conducive to breeding them.
Unless its some toddler playing with that new toy their irresponsible parent left lying around.
I am not sure how a sensible law can be passed though to handle the chavs going on to the next breed.Posted 4 hours ago
Could we just ban chavs. That would solve the dog issue and more
Just been stroking a massive XL bully at the caravan pub. Poor couple turned up for a drink with the bully and their springer. Both dogs were excellently behaved and both lickibg each other. A family with some young kids were next to them, and despite the kids getting both dogs excited, they were great.
Thing was the bully was more powerful than the bloke, and he was a muscled bloke. He was hanging onto it with both hands.
The dog was lovely, and literally licked everyone (me included), but if it took off even the big guy holding it would never have controlled it. Fortunately both dogs were well trained and a credit to the owners, but you are ****ed with a badly trained one, they are massive.
This sort of XL bully is also getting popular in part of SE Asia. Over there if the dog has injured someone for no reason the owner will be in for a massive retaliation and the dog will probably end up in a stew pot.
Just heard on BBC that 20% of incidents are XL Bully. While that’s a lot for one type of dog we still have the other 80% to deal with from presumably a complete mixture of breeds…
There's no accurate number for XL Bullies in the UK as there's no recognised breed standard / registering of breeders, but the estimate is 'in the thousands'. Source https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/15/why-are-american-xl-bullies-being-banned-and-how-will-it-work#:~:text=However%2C%20as%20it%20is%20not,owned%20dogs%20across%20the%20country.
There are 11 million dogs in the UK (PDSA report)
If you interpret that 1000's means 10,000 of them, that's about 0.1% of the population and yet 20% of the attacks (and further 9/21 fatal attacks)
Even if it's 100,000, that's 1% of the population.
There's no denying, there is an issue with these dogs that is not explained by training or lack of.
He was hanging onto it with both hands.
Does not compute with
both dogs were well trained
Ban all dogs, every single one of them.
<p style="text-align: left;">That will sort it.</p>
Genius. Proper vote winner there, in a nation of dog lovers
When faced with political dilemmas, the UK's traditional solution has been partition: Cyprus, Ireland, Palestine... So I think we should continue that line and say all the dog lovers should move to Wales, and a line of snipers set up along the Severn Bridge on ramp.
What is a Chav?
Well to me it just meant a kid or kids but was used as derogatory name for working class kids etc in the late 90’s. It seems to have stuck!
I heard a sensible comment earlier from someone - no one has ever heard of a fatality caused by a King Charles Spaniel with a bad owner.
Sure some XL Bullys are soft as the proverbial, but their sheer musculature and power mean they are far more capable of killing than a smaller breed.
But... Alsatians, Rottweilers etc people will say. And they are partly right. But fighting dogs are a specific thing and a specific problem. Working dogs are bred for a certain level of aggression if they are to work with other animals. They need treating with caution. But dogs that are bred specifically to fight/kill - that is a different level and one that is too far in my opinion.
I'm sure there are plenty of folk in the US who own assault rifles who have never used one to kill someone. But it gives them the capability and assault rifles are anti-personnel weapons, not for hunting, target shooting etc.
What is a Chav?
Disaffected urban yoof.
These Bully XLs are just the sort extreme end point of the UK dog obsession. The posters above that say "ban dogs" kind of have a point that you can't solve the Bully XL problem without fixing the culture that says it's OK to shit up every park, for it to be OK to have every walk / picnic / playpark / school drop-off affected by out of control dogs or one kind or another.
It's like deciding road deaths have got out of hand and banning luminous green Ford Focus RSs (because the old list that had orange XR2s and Red Sierra Cosworths is out of date).
But we have an incompetent government who're focused on getting through the next media cycle rather than doing anything effective or sustainable.
for it to be OK to have every walk / picnic / playpark / school drop-off affected by out of control dogs or one kind or another.
Every? Or you being a bit melodramatic?
<p style="text-align: left;">I'll think about while I'm cleaning dug shite off my kids running shoes this evening. Which is apparently a normal thing to do in this country.</p>
Disgusting.
Can’t say it’s normal but sadly a few don’t seem to clean up.
What is a Chav?
Leading question is leading.
Guns don’t kill people. It’s an owner problem. We just need to sort out ownership and everything will be just dandy.
Dugsheight: Sat in some today - mad dash around Bamburgh to find water to try and make myself at least fit for the bus. Thanks to the Victoria who had a hose pipe.
There’s some in front of the castle.
"Can’t say it’s normal but sadly a few don’t seem to clean up."
Its normal. Didn't use to be but it is now.
My commute to work comes off the south downs into an housing estate at Denton. I basically have had to adjust my route because the path I used to use is so covered with shite that its almost impossible to avoid. I now use a different path thats also coverd in shite but wider and less steep so easier to dodge.
And yes, it is disgusting. Not as disgusting as a dangerous dog though.
Though personally, I'm not sure dangerous dog covers an XL Bully (what a stupid name - only an idiot would think it up or buy one) - i reckon we should introduce a new catagory of murderous dog and treat the owners accordingly.
Tide was out - made error of going for the nearer village rather than backtrack to the sea. Distance tends to dominate when walking is painful.
The idea of breeding a dog as a weapon is rather unnerving, given the obvious demographic of those who would want one. Fed up with "normal" dogs being bitey and my better half is utterly terrified of them. Yet to see a spreadsheet bully thank goodness, but always remember a rot on my usual run in the late 1980s - only thing protecting me was someones shoulder socket and a very much tensioned lead. Gave up on that route.
The dog was lovely, and literally licked everyone
what the actual F. Not cool! and can a massive sloppering ogre then guarantee not to be poked in the eye, or slapped by a toddler (or adult) who takes offence to being licked?
and then what? the owner didnt have full control of it.
I can fathom why anyone own an animal that could kill you as soon as look at you should it decide to.
and the inane "its not dogs, its bad owners" response is such rubbish.
No one (Very few) people keep a dog in their home, full in the knowledge its not under control and has a likley hood of killing their or another child. but people still keep them.
"MY Dog wouldnt hurt a fly"
no, your dog hasnt YET been agitated or aggrevated enough, but it could, so why have it
theyre status symbols at best, and weapons and worst.
Totally comparable to American gun nuts.
Oooo, can't resist a good dog thread .... Isn't part of the problem that we as a nation are just far too 'Dog friendly'? All this fuss about whether a dangerous dog breed should be banned - of course it should and the ones already out there should be euthanised. There are far too many dog 'breeds' any way. Breeding should be strictly controlled. Who needs a Doberman or a Rhodesian Ridgeback, for instance? Leaving aside the danger of some of those breeds, the dog filth problem is getting out of control. Dog friendly pubs? I always thought dogs weren't allowed where food was served. Now they seem to be constantly sniffing around when you're eating out anywhere. I'll get my coat.
can’t resist a good dog thread
This is a thread about bad ones.
I know this is kinda off topic, but I've seen a huge uptick in dog poo on the streets lately. I nipped out at lunch, got out of the car and narrowly missed a huge dog jobbie. Christ only knows what it must have come out of, it was easily an inch in girth and there was plenty of it. I'm not surprised the owner left it there, they probably didn't have a poo bag big enough.
Is this the fallout (ahem) from lockdown, every halfwit went and got a dog?
I reckon my working cocker could kill me. He's mega-powerful considering he's <15kg. Watching him bite through bones and the like makes me wonder....
My partner's parents have an American Staffordshire or something similar and he's massive, powerful with a head like a whale shark. Took me a few visits to be comfortable around him on my own.
Watched a couple of documentaries on these bully type dogs and the people breeding them (artificial insemination kits and the like). All rotters IMO and poor dogs are being bred into freaks of nature. A reasonable amount of that kind of dog (staffies on steroids) around where I live and always being walked/dragging along a scrote. I tend to make a bee-line for the nearest exit with my dogs in close control.
Estimate number of XL bullies in the uk - 130,000
Number of deaths per year - 5
So ~ 4 per 100,000
The UK Murder rate peaked around the year 2000 and was highest in Scotland at ~2.5 per 100,000.
So you're only slightly safer around a Scotsman than you are an XL Bully.
This isn't an argument against banning them, just a way of pointing out the pointlessness of euthanizing an entire breed to satisfy some keyboard warrior bloodlust.
This isn’t an argument against banning them
Probably for the best. I know some of Scotland is in favour of independence but an outright ban seems excessive.
Estimate number of XL bullies in the uk – 130,000
Number of deaths per year – 5
So ~ 4 per 100,000
The UK Murder rate peaked around the year 2000 and was highest in Scotland at ~2.5 per 100,000.
So you’re only slightly safer around a Scotsman than you are an XL Bully.
This isn’t an argument against banning them, just a way of pointing out the pointlessness of euthanizing an entire breed to satisfy some keyboard warrior bloodlust.
I should imagine the British veterinary association might have something to say about their members being asked to kill healthy animals in vast* numbers.
*Well, any numbers really, that's not what they signed up for.
I should imagine the British veterinary association might have something to say about their members being asked to kill healthy animals in vast* numbers.
Umm... Where do you think the meat we eat comes from?
I'm not sure how I feel about the ban. On the one hand something needs to be done. On the other hand, the roadmen will just move onto something else.
I've met and come into contact with quite a few American bullies and the occasial XL. Most have been fairly dopey and in a world of their own. Others have been dragging their owners (sometimes kids) along whilst they desperately try to stop them. A local near me refuses to control his 2 off-leash XLs, claims they're dangerous, and wants no-one to walk anywhere within eyesight of him otherwise he'll punch them. He looks how you probably imagine him and of course he's breeding them. The latter is the type of bad-apple which has ruined it for the others.
On a selfish note about the ban, i'm going to get people who don't like dogs accuse my staffy of being an XL. In the past i've had people on just the sight of her accuse her of being a pitbull, asking where her muzzle is, where my license is and where my break/bite-stick is. Whilst picking her up from daycare on the day of the ban announcement, an owner waiting outside thought my staffy was an XL on the immediate sight of her. She's less than 1/2 the size of them. Thankfully the daycare owner pointed out she wasn't an XL but she did mention that the few XLs that currently go to the daycare won't be able to once the ban comes in because their insurers won't cover it. Hopefully the ban guidance will hopefully get read.
Umm… Where do you think the meat we eat comes from?
1, I'm veggie so your point is moot.
2, Pretty sure you don't get your meat from the vets unless you eat Findus Lasagna
Umm… Where do you think the meat we eat comes from?
Yes, because a cull ordered by the government forcing dog owners to have their dogs killed against their wishes is exactly the same as animals raised for the food industry.
You don't generally see the local farmer herding his cows into the local high street vets either.
This breed is only the latest of a long line of 'breeds' that should never have been allowed. We should have strict dog breeding laws and every dog should have a passport and be chipped. OK, I was a wee bit over the top with calling for them all to be killed, but they should be chipped and sterilised at the very least. Crikey, people talk about entitled cyclists, but dog owners take the (dog) biscuit. Why the need for 100s of different breeds anyway? I understand that some of them have all sorts of medical issues which cut short their pampered lives, simply because people want them to look a certain way or be a certain size, or something. Owning a dog isn't a right and dogs don't have rights, either.
dog fouling is as big a problem round my way now as it was 50 years ago, it seems a significant number of owners don't pick up. More than that they don't even get the dog to mess in the gutter. I've often seen it right outside the school gates ffs.
Estimate number of XL bullies in the uk – 130,000
Source? I looked for it to run some calcs previously and found 'in the 1000's' which isn't a number but equally wasn't in the 10s of... or 100's of....thousands.
There’s no accurate number for XL Bullies in the UK as there’s no recognised breed standard / registering of breeders, but the estimate is ‘in the thousands’. Source https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/15/why-are-american-xl-bullies-being-banned-and-how-will-it-work#:~:text=However%2C%20as%20it%20is%20not,owned%20dogs%20across%20the%20country.
There are 11 million dogs in the UK (PDSA report)
If you interpret that 1000’s means 10,000 of them, that’s about 0.1% of the population and yet 20% of the attacks (and further 9/21 fatal attacks)
Even if it’s 100,000, that’s 1% of the population.
There’s no denying, there is an issue with these dogs that is not explained by training or lack of.
Almost 50% of the fatalities from <1% of the population.
but they should be chipped and sterilised at the very least.
Well then you'll be glad to know that's what already happens with 'banned' breeds (because even years down the line there'll be the odd random "staffie" puppy bought down the pub, grows up into an ideal family pet, then keeps growing and turns out to be a Pitty/XL.
They go for assessments with the police to confirm the breed and assess it's behavior/temperament, are neutered/spayed, all dogs are chipped anyway, they are then on a register of such dogs and they get a tattoo on the ear for easy identification.
So you can go back to demanding cyclists have 3rd party insurance in addition to whatever we have from house insurance, BC and clubs and we should all be shot because a few jumping a red light / crash into pedestrians / shit on the pavement.
Source? I looked for it to run some calcs previously and found ‘in the 1000’s’ which isn’t a number but equally wasn’t in the 10s of… or 100’s of….thousands.
An article (on the I and MSN) stated 1% of the dog population, I'll concede that seems high. But then so does the murder rate in Glasgow around the year 2000. The death rate from XL Bullies is about the same as cows (~5/year).
dogs don’t have rights
Yeah, about that...
All domestic animals, under section nine of the Animal Welfare Act 2006, have the legal right to:
live in a suitable environment
eat a suitable diet
exhibit normal behaviour patterns
be housed with, or apart from, other animals
be protected from pain, suffering, injury and disease
All such dogs are assessed by the police? Yeah, right. Plus, when did I say anything about cyclists having insurance?
All such dogs are assessed by the police? Yeah, right.
All banned dogs are. That's the rules.
Plus, when did I say anything about cyclists having insurance?
You didn't, you said "Crikey, people talk about entitled cyclists,", and I compared your comment to the ill informed public pearl clutching usually aimed at cycling.
