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The hill behind my house was scattered with empty silver canisters this morning and I really don't want to come across an asphyxiated teenager on the dog walk. My kids also play up there as it backs onto my garden.
As this is a "legal high" is it worth reporting it? I can't see that the police could do much as it is a large area. Is it just a case of cleaning up after them before smaller kids fine the canisters or should I be blasting them with my night lights of an evening?
It could just be a puncture hotspot.
Definitely worth reporting, more for the litter problem if anything.
Nitrous Oxide - It's no laughing matter.
I'd much rather the yoot were doing this than speed or other cheap street drugs.
However I disapprove strongly of littering so yes call the feds, as they say.
Sounds like a job for the laughing Policeman.
Out of interest, is there a 'legitimate' use for those small NO2 canisters, or are they made specifically as a legal high?
A while back there were loads littered around the car park on the Quantocks where I walk the dog. Initially I thought bloody MTBers leaving their crap behind, took me a while to realise the real cause. 😳
I used to run nitrous oxide in my car.. Industrial grade nitrous is mixed with sulphur, hence a slight eggy smell to it.. This stops people inhaling it as it'll make you vomit pretty hard.
It would nnee to be pure medical grade nitrous oxide which is more expensive and difficult to get hold of, if you want to get high.
Most of the small canisters people use as a high come from the catering industry where it is used as a propellant in whipped cream sprays.
Food grade is used. It's for propelling cream etc, and is fairly harmless unless you stick a bag over your head or pass out and fall.
I'd you are stupid enough to do it while smoking then you deserve what's coming to you 🙂
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Is it not relatively safe though? The immediate risk is mostly that you accidentally suffocate, which OK isn't good but only needs a little basic safety. And then there's standard intoxication risks but that's a given. Some greater risks with really heavy users but as recreational drugs go it seems to come into the "comparably dangerous to alcohol" category...
Gave me an orrible headache. But then so did that bottle of talisker.
Yeah, usual way to do it is to get a whipped cream dispenser and shove a baloon over the end. Inhale as required.
So I've been told...
Relatively safe if asphyxiation is classed as safe and it's not legal to sell them as a high.
The littering is a problem, but as for the use of the stuff I'm going down the "mind your own damned business" line.
You could equally argue that they're up there riding bikes and that you don't want to come across a dead cyclist after they've stuffed up a jump.
What someone chooses to do in their spare time is entirely their own problem provided it's not hurting other people.
from hairylegs link the only real dangers seem to be from 2 cases where
For recreational purposes he had inhaled two to three boxes of nitrous oxide, each box containing 24 cartridges, practically every day for the past six months.&
For the previous 3 months she had inhaled nitrous oxide for recreational purposes, up to 200 cartridges a day, three to four times a week.
so unless they are smashing a caseload a day its not gonna do any harm
( passed a pile cycling to work this morning, in a spot where Id seen some young scallywags last night on the way home)
so unless they are smashing a caseload a day its not gonna do any harm
Which one of the 200 was it?
I took my daughter to a park a few weeks ago and the roundabout was littered with the canisters, "someones had a good party dad", "Err yeah, what? how do you know about nitrous?", "What's nitrous? I meant all of the whipped cream they must have used"
You can't buy them any more I'm pretty sure
Of course you can.
It's certainly a lot safer than boozing but the mess sucks. There must have been tens of thousands on the ground when I was at bestival a few years ago
I thought they'd been banned under the legal highs thing. Evidently not
nless they are smashing a caseload a day its not gonna do any harm
It's unlikely to kill them - that's different to not doing them any harm. Kids brain chemistry is very delicate - smashing it with nitrous, alcohol, cannabis, sugar etc is not a good idea. If they're doing it outside in February they are probably kids. I would report it (although I don't know what cops could do effectively when it's more a health issue than a public order one).
I thought they'd been banned under the legal highs thing. Evidently not
Do you think they were planning on banning oxygen as well given you can get high off it?
I love how STW is very pro drugs when it's the yuppie bohemian middle classes smoking cannabis or reminiscing about e's and wizz at the Hacienda, and how it should be a healthcare problem not the police.
But as soon as it's anyone else, ohhhhhh nooooooo, they'll all be dead soon, call the police!
Do you think they were planning on banning oxygen as well given you can get high off it?
Not sure, how about banning sarcastic and condescending comments?
The Pyschoactive Substances Bill is still going through Parliament. It's a massacred opportunity to provide some useful legislation though, in it's current state it's going to be a completely unforceable waste of paper.
Having worked with local drug rehabilitation providers and seen the nerve damage consequences of over usage of Nitrous Oxide by some of their clients I'd say the dangers are very real.
The litter problem is also a pain in the ass.
It's the proximity to my and other kids that annoys me - the local primary walks classes that way to swimming.
It makes a change from the summer parties up there and the huge camp fires but somehow I find those ok (I'm actually a little jealous) and this offensive. I guess I must be part of the alcohol generation (even though I know it is much more harmful) - I would be ok with my lad sitting on the hill drinking cider with mates but not with him inhaling legal highs.
I would be ok with my lad sitting on the hill drinking cider with mates but not with him inhaling legal highs.
I'd be the other way round myself, there were so many terrible things attributable to booze when we were teenagers, so many fights, people ending up in hospital, vandalism, drunk driving, pregnancies etc. The term 'legal high' is a pain really, as you get things like nitrous, which you get happily pumped into you in hospital/dentist, being seen on the same level as horrendously damaging things like spice, or more worringly spice being seen as equivalent level to nitrous.
I went for a walk this morning and saw some mushrooms growing in a field - do you think I should call the police?
Not sure, how about banning sarcastic and condescending comments?
Wasn't being either.
As stated it has legitimate use in catering but can be used to get high. Similarly oxygen has legitimate uses (including medical) but can be used to get high.
So where do you draw the line?
Having been administering 100% oxygen to people since the nineties, and never seeing any of them demonstrating any symptoms of 'highness' as a result whatsoever, (which I cannot say the same about the effects of gas 'n' air) I'd say you are comparing apples and oranges.
Yeah I know it's different and I'm not trying to say it's the same. Just that comparing them to legal highs is comparing apples and flogging spanners.
As stated it has legitimate use in catering but can be used to get high. Similarly oxygen has legitimate uses (including medical) but can be used to get high.So where do you draw the line?
It's possible to restrict sales without banning stuff altogether. There are legitimate uses for explosives but you can't just buy them over the counter.
those NOX sparklet things make nifty little hybrid* rocket motors too 🙂
legitimate use afaiac 😉
(* liquid oxidiser, solid fuel)
]So where do you draw the line?
The line is usually drawn at the point where use is deemed (rightly or wrongly) a social problem.
Is there a big oxygen scene at the mo, I'm a bit out of touch?
I love how STW is very pro drugs when it's the yuppie bohemian middle classes smoking cannabis or reminiscing about e's and wizz at the Hacienda, and how it should be a healthcare problem not the police.
But as soon as it's anyone else, ohhhhhh nooooooo, they'll all be dead soon, call the police!
I love how STW makes up false premises and then rails against them.
Is there a big oxygen scene at the mo, I'm a bit out of touch?
I remember a couple of oxygen bars when I was a student, then it got banned because of the fire risk I think, you could still smoke in the pub back then. I never tried it though.
I can't speak for anyone else* but I personally have a 20% a day habit 😐Is there a big oxygen scene at the mo, I'm a bit out of touch?
*actually, I'm fairly sure I can
I can't speak for anyone else* but I personally have a 20% a day habit
Only 4% percent for me I bin the rest.
The term 'legal high' is a pain really, as you get things like nitrous, which you get happily pumped into you in hospital/dentist
Under controlled amounts and under supervision.
There are cars spewing more harmful stuff all over the street outside schools every day. No one seems worried about them.