NIKE buggering about with the England flag

No such thing as.....

You'd have to be insane to spend 125 quid on a shirt anyway.

Given that they've changed the colour of the English flag, I'd say it was a wrong move. Imagine a Scotland kit with the Scottish flag in yellow and green.

And I'm saying that as someone who is concerned that the flag of St George on our club kit might be misconstrued, rather than being a flag shagger.

I think the main issue is that its not very good. They haven't improved it, they've taken something simple and made it fussy. Compare it to the 2012 Olympic kit. They buggered about with flag on that and it looked pretty good.

I give just enough of a shit about this to post on here saying I don't give a shit.

Can't say I really give a shit either but you can't really change the colours in a flag can you seeing they are the key identity of the flag itself.

Good, the sooner we return to St. Edmund the better. His flag is waaaay cooler.

Culture war fodder (albeit pricy)

GBeebies gonna be all over this.

It seems a weird thing to have done and gives inevitable fuel to the flag shaggers.

I can’t believe how much they charge for a top either - makes MTB kit seem reasonable!

Umbro did this in 2012 with Peter Savill, no one gave a shit then but now it’s gobshite central hysteria.

Its not even the badge on the shirt but a pointless detail on the rear of the collar.

Are the lions still lions?

If they did something similar to the Scotland top it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. But the price difference between the Scottish and English tops is insane.

No they are disease ridden pigeons

It's a strong metaphor

Had to look up to see what youse were on about.

I don't give a toss about footy or this really, but it does seem a bit bizarre when the colours of a flag are their main identifying features. Anyway when I first saw it it reminded me more of the Norwegian flag if anything.

… but it does seem a bit bizarre when the colours of a flag are their main identifying features.

I imagine the people bitching most about this don’t have a problem with union flags with thin blue lines in them - wonder why?

The kit doesn't normally even feature a flag, and without the white background its not even the flag, its just decoration that happens to be a derivative of the flag. Aside the eye watering price (£150 for the match version!) there's nothing to see aside some foaming at the mouth over a non flag not being the same colour as the flag thats not usually on the shirt anyway.

They’ve just interviewed someone to do with England supporters (he runs the fans national team) on 5LIVE. He managed to get in that his politics were to the right and that the purple and blue lines were because of the LGBQT community before the presenter could shut him down.

Is this the reaction that the FA wanted?

I'm with @Johnnystorm on this one. St George and his cross are shared with something like twenty other countries! Ditch the cross altogether from your strip and re-adopt St Edmunds dragon. Of course, I still wouldn't support your team, but I'd admire their strip a lot more. 😉

Yeah I LOLed at that too. I don't give a toss about the shirt but the FA could do worse than alienate some of the worst bigots in their supporters' ranks.

St George and his cross are shared with something like twenty other countries!

Go to Genoa and you'd think there are loads of England fans....

Can someone post a link as my Google-fu isn't warmed up.

The cross shape in different colours has appeared on multiple England kits over the years and there has never been an uproar.

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist this year?

It’s a football kit, don’t buy it if you don’t like it.

its just decoration that happens to be a derivative of the flag

I'm not even cross about this.

Can someone post a link as my Google-fu isn’t warmed up.

Here you go.

I am 100% not the target market for this so don't really care, but on the other hand anything that winds up right wing bigots is all good with me.

"Imagine a Scotland kit with the Scottish flag in yellow and green."

tbf the Jamaica shirt is a lot more successful than the team (sorry Reggae Boyz)

Wait till they see what mini have done with the union flag on their brake lights, 2 British icons besmirched in 1.

Maybe they thought it would appeal to the typical open minded liberal and tolerant football fan?

Here you go.

That looks really cool, I'm totally on board with that change. The English flag is boring. I like the away kit a lot but not going to spend that much on it!

Daily Heil declare as pampering to gender fluid. If it’s upset their fans then I’m good with it.

It's genuinely hard to get wound up by a company using some other colours on a thing that has traditionally used different colours.

I can imagine some will though. It's strange how those folks never seem to get wound up by the fact that the armed forces have been buggering about with different colours for years now, vis:

Or that the RAF have used low vis roundels on planes for decades, I mean it's pink! And light blue! For goodness sake...How woke could you get? I've always suspected those RAF types of being milk-sop leftie liberals

I no longer think it’s weird. Just rewound five live to hear the England fan and he was almost in tears and blaming ‘the gays’.

It’s no longer weird; it’s fantastic and I wish I could buy one!

Not in the slightest bit bothered.

Pretty

Just rewound five live to hear the England fan and he was almost in tears and blaming ‘the gays’.

Well if they've already taken over football imagine what they'll come for next? Nothing is safe!

Will up the price of all the old Retro kits in the wardrobe, thanks Nike! 🙂

If you ever find yourself in the National Museum of Scotland there's a display showing the Scotland footie strip through the ages. The outstanding one, in my opinion, is the 1881 strip sponsored by the 5th Earl of Roseby. It's his jockey colours of Primrose yellow and Rose pink stripes. I'd love to see the reaction to that from a lot of the football 'fans' I know.

I'd bring that back, and the big long shorts. I'd definitely bring back the 5kg leather footballs. That'd give modern day footie players a genuine reason for falling to the floor clutching their coupin when they get smacked by one of those. Yeah, bring all that back and I might show some interest.

I can imagine some will though. It’s strange how those folks never seem to get wound up by the fact that the armed forces have been buggering about with different colours for years now, vis:

I was just thinking this. Their heads would pop if they saw these.

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist this year?

Warming up for the general election campaign. I see Starmer has apparently come out against it too.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/21/keir-starmer-calls-for-england-to-scrap-euros-kit-with-new-st-georges-cross-design-football

1970

Ambulance service union flag.

There have been off-colour variations of the Union Jack/Flag, used for clothing and household items, since the 1960s - and yes, some folk complained about it at the time. Today you'd refer to them as "gammons".

Nice the Kier Starmer has decided to court these weapons grade racists by agreeing with them. I expect that from Sunak but not him.

Also I had never heard of St Edmund - he sounds way cooler than St George & his flag is dope.

Maybe they should replace the flag with some more appropriate imagery to compliment the inevitable neck tattoo that will be above it?

An icon of a Rusty transit van perhaps? Maybe a wrap of poor quality coke or a can of Fosters?

For me the whole thing is just another reason to hate international football. The proper footie is interrupted far too many times during the season to make way for pointless nonsense like this

Give it a few weeks and all those unsold tops will be twenty quid in Sports Direct anyway

Typhoons are a lot more woke than Spitfires so it’s ok. I mean, beyond visual range!!!!

Although Spitfires packing yellow on the roundels too 🤷‍♂️

5 Live blowing up chronic right now.

Also I had never heard of St Edmund – he sounds way cooler than St George & his flag is dope.

I had a patch with him on, but we got told to take it off. Too 'aggressive' apparently. Dude stabbing a dragon might upset some folk.

Totems innit? People get awfully attached for some reason.

My lad plays football and he is more bothered about the 3 lions than the colour of the flag. The kit they have doesn have Georges, but it does have 3 lions

Petty manufactured culture war BS.  I have got pretty upset at a few England kits, especially the Nike ones - light blue sleeves! but never at a detail.

Funny thing is they dont get upset at it being a white/blue kit rather than a white/red one.  Probably on the stopped clock being correct principle.  Interesting to remember the union flags being used in 1966 when only England of the home nations took part.

Good kits in the 1990s - the golden year of 1996 becomes a bit more golden by the hour.  We got our flag back off the shaggerati then.

I only came here to see the STW elite **** themslves into a frency at the prospect of outing anyone that doesn't like it, as bigoted, racist gammons.

I've not been disappointed so far:)

Radio 5 has never been more entertaining - Thank you Nike 😀

Never mind £125 for the technical shirt that presumably has useful features and development, they want £85 for the official market-stall knock-off.

If the flag winds up idiots who believe that this is the sort of thing they ought to worry about, then I'm all for it.

Calls for boycotts but ticket price gonna take care of that.

This virtue signalling, namby-pamby, pearl-clutching woke nonsense must stop. Anymore of this and I'll be on the first flight to Rwanda.

-Lee Anderson

More virtue signalling, namby-pamby, pearl-clutching woke nonsense, please.

I only came here to see the STW elite **** themslves into a frency at the prospect of outing anyone that doesn’t like it, as bigoted, racist gammons.

I’ve not been disappointed so far:)

Bit of a twisted view if you ask me... read the thread again?

Having a laugh at those who don't like it because they're bigoted, racist gammons, yes. Saying that anyone who doesn't like it is because they're a bigoted, racist gammon? I don't see it.

Personally I think it looks a bit stupid, but not all that bothered. Only looks like a LGBQ flag if you want it to, for the professionally offended. It's multi-coloured stripes for goodness sake (like most flags in the world).

Is Lee Anderson going to hold his promise to move to Rwanada?

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Never mind £125 for the technical shirt that presumably has useful features

What features do you need for standing in a pub?

What features do you need for standing in a pub?

LOL 🙂

Seriously though £125 - just wow!

Radio 5 has never been more entertaining – Thank you Nike 😀

Thats a whole lot of angry cabbies.

I'm just listening to it on catch up. Its comedy gold. Theres an awful lot of outraged pearl-clutching going on 😂

I think the LGBTQ+ crew should be getting more wound up about it. They've not used all the colours of the rainbow for chrissake. Half a job.

I like it.

[i]Seriously though £125 – just wow![/i]

It's Nike? Not Rapha?

It's supposed to reflect the colours of the '66 training kit or something?

You’d have to be insane to spend 125 quid on a shirt anyway.

You'd be insane to buy the super technical tight fit fabric one when the £85 supporters shirt is far better for beer bellies.

What features do you need for standing in a pub?

Stain and water resistant?

Phone - in programs have been absolutely hilarious this morning! The only downside is that A & E might be a bit busy with heart and panic attacks later…

Also I had never heard of St Edmund – he sounds way cooler than St George & his flag is dope.

St Edmund was actually Edmund Blackadder.

Ambulance service union flag.

Could be worse Germany has ditched adidas for that horrible tick company.

I aways thought the military badge was dull in colour so it was less a red target.

I glad they've changed it as its provided some much needed entertainment as the gammons phone in to the morning radio shows to proclaim "Gerrof my flaaaaaaaag!", what can we change next?........

Joey Barton is apparently very upset, which can only ever be a good thing. He's referred to it as 'bisexual'

If I was the designer for Nike responsible for this and was looking at the sort of idiot soiling their petticoats in outrage, I'd be pretty satisfied with my days work 😀

It is close to the bi flag.

This would never have happened 50 years ago - when fancy kits took off.  The idiots would be moaning about the hair that obscured collars back then.

It’s supposed to reflect the colours of the ’66 training kit or something

Every one knows it was black and white yeah?

Ambulance service union flag.
that’s not a flag, it’s something a businessman has come up with in order to sell stuff. Much like a footie shirt actually 🤔

Well it wasn't a graphic designer that came up with it that's for sure. Missed a trick not putting an ECG heartbeat zigzag in the middle of the green line.

Is the little Nike emblem in question even supposed to be the cross of St George? Too far away from any real resemblance for me. Just some pretty colours.

hat’s not a flag, it’s something a businessman has come up with in order to sell stuff. Much like a footie shirt actually

Well who knew.

Mleh.   Some fans see particular bits of kit as very important. A colour, the badge,  whatever.   The reason ' inspired by 1966 training colours' is weak so I'm not at all surprised Nike are being called out for messing with the flag.  Personally...mleh, I'd prefer to keep the flag and reclaim it from any knuckle draggers but oh well.

The real issueis the price! Omg!  And a child's shirt only a fiver less that is despicable.  I feel angry at that.  Assuming it's like many club shirt deals the fa will have just sold the rights to Nike for a one off price so it's only Nike that benefit from such pricing.

There have been off-colour variations of the Union Jack/Flag, used for clothing and household items, since the 1960s

A recent example being the backdrop to the tory leadership contest in 2019.

All the references to altered Union flags are false comparisons. The distinctive feature of the Union flag is the design, not the colour. The St George's cross is a simple design (albeit different from many other cross flags in that it is vertical/horizontal, single block colour and normally arranged centrally). But there are still others out there with only colour to distinguish them. I like the design, but didn't see a St George's cross in it.

ETA see Kernow and St David. Can't link as buttons have gone awol.

I hope none of these people end up in close proximity to a Pride event. They'll go into meltdown if they see one of these....

I don't feel passionately enough about British Skittles to wave that flag tbh

Binners - I am going into meltdown over it, but not for the reasons you think

I only came here to see the STW elite **** themslves into a frency at the prospect of outing anyone that doesn’t like it, as bigoted, racist gammons.

Don't be silly.

They're bigoted, homophobic gammons.

Top R needs the thin swapping for the thick I think, but reckon this is a test by binners.