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Churchill for all his other faults saw Hitler for what he was and rallied the country, of course there was a lot more going on but to say any other prime minister would have been able to do the same just isn't true .
How on earth can you say that..... have you got access to an alternative universe?
Are you seriously suggesting that only Churchill could have rallied the country after war on Germany had been declared?
And the idea that only Churchill saw Hitler for what he was is ridiculous. Great Britain was already at war with Germany when Churchill became Prime Minister.
Maybe Great Britain might not have defeated Germany quite so quickly with another Prime Minister, on the other hand maybe another Prime Minister might have done it quicker. It is impossible to know and not least because the UK Prime Minister alone had so little influence on the outcome of WW2, there were so many much more important aspects.
How on earth can you say that..... have you got access to an alternative universe?
Are you seriously suggesting that only Churchill could have rallied the country after war on Germany had been declared
Sorry , I could have written that better . I'm not saying that only Churchill could have done that but you seem to be saying that anyone could have done it and I don't think that's true . If you want to play alternative universe imagine what might have happened if Halifax became prime minister , the what ifs are endless .
And the idea that only Churchill saw Hitler for what he was is ridiculous. Great Britain was already at war with Germany when Churchill became Prime Minister.
Churchill saw Hitler for what he was long before the war started but he wasn't prime minister, another what if moment?
Maybe Great Britain might not have defeated Germany quite so quickly with another Prime Minister, on the other hand maybe another Prime Minister might have done it quicker. It is impossible to know and not least because the UK Prime Minister alone had so little influence on the outcome of WW2, there were so many much more important aspects.
Great Britain didn't defeat the Nazis , the allies did . But I think it's a bit false to say the prime minister of the UK had little influence , as I wrote earlier he was a cog in a machine but as a far as cogs go he was a pretty big one . History and our understanding of it and interpretation of it is always changing but ultimately if Churchill had thrown the towel in when Britain was standing alone in the summer of 1940 then the 50 years after that would have looked very different.
For what it's worth I'm just an interested amateur when it comes to this stuff , no doctorate here 😁
@ernie showing showing yet again that a total lack of knowledge on a subject is no bar to espousing an opinion about same.
if Churchill had thrown the towel in when Britain was standing alone in the summer of 1940 then the 50 years after that would have looked very different.
Oh come on, Churchill's speech "The Few" was brilliant, probably the greatest speech anyone gave during WW2, but it didn't win the Battle of Britain. Churchill had been Prime Minister for two months when the Battle of Britain kicked off, he could not have had any material effect on its outcome.
Yes it was a morale booster but it didn't change the course of history anymore than the saturation bombing of German cities, which was supposed to destroy German morale, won the War.
Churchill was without doubt a brilliant speech writer (he wrote all his own speeches) and his delivery was exceptional, but it is daft to claim that made him the greatest Briton that ever lived or that he was responsible for changing the course of history, millions of people were. Churchill wasn't some sort of all-powerful dictator or war lord like Genghis Khan
@ernie showing showing yet again that a total lack of knowledge on a subject is no bar to espousing an opinion about same
And you showing yet again how gullible you are in swallowing Tory mythical nonsense, whatever next.... how Margaret Thatcher put the "Great" back in Great Britain? I'm sure Nigel Farage and Keir Starmer would agree 🙂
Apart from the loser in 1066 I haven't seen another contender for greatest Brit from you, Ernie. There are plenty to choose from, go on, entertain us.
As for "Tory", when it mattered Churchill led a coalition government:
At 21:00 on 10 May, Chamberlain announced the change of prime minister over the BBC. Churchill's first act as prime minister was to ask Attlee and Greenwood to come and see him at Admiralty House. Next, he wrote to Chamberlain to thank him for his promised support. He then began to construct his coalition cabinet with the assistance of Attlee and Greenwood. Their conference went on into the early hours of Saturday and they reached a broad agreement on the composition of the new war cabinet, subject to Labour Party confirmation. Attlee and Greenwood were confident of securing this on Saturday after Churchill promised that more than a third of government positions would be offered to Labour members, including some of the key posts.[13][14]
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9343wnz9dpo
It featured a picture of Hitler looking at a map and was overlaid with the words "Why don't we invade them slowly? A few men at a time in small boats".
The accompanying text then read: "Let's be grateful this idea was never put to him... or the world as we know it would be a whole lot different."
Classy stuff !
And yet when you look at the photo of his face it looks so kind and full of compassion.
To bring it slightly back to farage and his ilk I find it incredibly depressing when people like him use the war as a campaigning point because as far as I can see people like him have learned none of the lessons from it .
I think is the key point - and riding on Churchills coat tails while doing it. Great war time leader, dangerous racist nut job for other parts of his career.
Oh come on, Churchill's speech "The Few" was brilliant, probably the greatest speech anyone gave during WW2, but it didn't win the Battle of Britain. Churchill had been Prime Minister for two months when the Battle of Britain kicked off, he could not have had any material effect on its outcome.
But the battle of Britain wouldn't have happened if other members of the cabinet had been in charge because Britain would of effectively surrendered after Dunkirk . It happened because the British government decided to fight on , Churchill was prime minister so I'd say that he was fairly significant in that decision .
Might I gently suggest that your personal politics might not necessarily be allowing you to judge Churchill entirely objectively.
I kind of get your point that the guys flying the spitfires and shooting the rifles were more significant. The more recent studies of the battle of Britain basically say the Germans could never of won it for , as I understand it ,logistics. They didn't have the manpower or equipment to fully defeat the RAF , add into that some foolish decisions and they could never win . All that might be true but it still needed a load of 20 year old boys to climb into their aircraft and face death to actually win the battle and I find those pilots stories infinitely more interesting and engaging than Churchills but if you're talking about how the war was run I believe he was a very hands on leader , probably the modern term for it would be micro manager .
Anyway , to bring it slightly back on topic it will be interesting to see how farage balances criticizing Starmer and sucking up to trump today.
It featured a picture of Hitler looking at a map and was overlaid with the words "Why don't we invade them slowly? A few men at a time in small boats"
I'd prefer one of Farage - "why don't we invade politics slowly - a few angry-looking racist thugs at a time, in populist bandwagons?"
Great war time leader, dangerous racist nut job for other parts of his career.
Exactly , apart from a few notable exceptions most people are a somethingion of good and bad .
if other members of the cabinet had been in charge because Britain would of effectively surrendered after Dunkirk .
You honestly believe that ? Britain was untouched and had an empire which spanned the world but you believe that had it not been for Churchill Britain would have surrendered after Dunkirk?
The Churchill myth marches on unabated!
Edit : Btw I had no idea that despite having a vast empire Brits were so unwilling to fight wars had it not been for Churchill
You honestly believe that ? Britain was untouched and had an empire which spanned the world but you believe that had it not been for Churchill Britain would have surrendered after Dunkirk?
One last try 😁 Churchill was the prime minister of the government that decided to fight on . There were other cabinet members who could have ended up as prime minister who would of decided to choose peace after Britain and France were militarily defeated on the continent.Could another politician have lead the country in the way he did ? Possibly but I don't think that's a good enough reason to totally dismiss him in the way you seem to want to .
To put it another way would you say Neil Armstrong is insignificant to world history because if he hadn't of walked on the moon first some other bloke would of done it anyway ?
Anyway , to bring it slightly back on topic it will be interesting to see how farage balances criticizing Starmer and sucking up to trump today.
I think is a good point to try and bring this back on topic, rather than all of us reshaping history through our modern day blinkers.
that decided to fight on .
You really believe that the option whether or not to fight Nazi Germany after Dunkirk up for debate? Wow. I can understand why you put so much emphasis on Churchill now - Britain was ready to throw in the towel after Dunkirk had it not been for him.
Churchill WAS the Dunkirk Spirit !
What about the Queen Mum...... doesn't she get a look in?
You really believe that the option whether or not to fight Nazi Germany after Dunkirk up for debate?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_British_war_cabinet_crisis?wprov=sfla1
Okay let's put this one to bed, it's obvious that the Queen Mum with her morale-boosting winning smile [Rest In Peace Ma'am] isn't going to get a look in and it's all down to the grumpy bulldog geezer.
So any opinions concerning the delightful Joel Tetlow?
Are we surprised that Nigel Farage isn't doing more than slapping Tetlow's wrist for his cheap shot during a time when the nation is celebrating its historic victory over a hate-fuelled and bigoted regime?
Enough Churchill already - can we please figure out between us how we expose Farage et al and somehow prevent the Trumpisation of the UK sometime in the next 4 years?
I ****ing despair looking at that map!
Enough Churchill already - can we please figure out between us how we expose Farage et al and somehow prevent the Trumpisation of the UK sometime in the next 4 years?
I ****ing despair looking at that map!
Getting their failure to act on the meme posting councillor more widely publicised would be a start
Enough Churchill already - can we please figure out between us how we expose Farage et al and somehow prevent the Trumpisation of the UK sometime in the next 4 years?
I ****ing despair looking at that map!
Getting their failure to act on the meme posting councillor more widely publicised would be a start
It'd do nothing. Reform supporters and the public in general don't care that someone posted a meme. If anything it weakens the case against Reform as it makes their critics look petty.
Nigel Farage is not popular with voters, he is very slightly less popular than Keir Starmer according than YouGov.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52034-political-favourability-ratings-april-2025
Exposing Farage as an arsehole isn't going reduce support for Reform significantly, most voters know that he's one. Support for Reform is as much an act of desperation as anything else, a bit like support for Trump in the United States.
A more effective way to diminish support for Reform would be to offer real hope and a substantial alternative to austerity and more of the same. That would pull the rug from under Farage.
Instead Starmer offers voters no hope, according to his Health Secretary Wes Streeting no hope is better than false hope, and voters are not seeing the changes they desperately want to see.
Instead Starmer offers voters no hope, according to his Health Secretary Wes Streeting no hope is better than false hope, and voters are not seeing the changes they desperately want to see.
Unfortunately it appears to be Labour in all but name - I vote Gary Stevenson for President. Then we might see some actual change.
I wonder what it is about Reform that attracts Hitler lovers & people like this -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0y0ny527wo
Why is there so often the Putin admiration as well?
"The established elite don't like a self-made man, a working class hero. Saville was one, Putin is another. So they make up horrible lies about them and let the media do the rest."
His photo in the Daily Mail has him looking like a lefty eco-warrior, nothing like the obviously upstanding and very presentable Joel Tetlow who is everyone's dream son-in-law.
So he doesn't quite tick all the boxes.
Unless there is a "misfit" box.
I'm sure there was some discussions about Reform making no progress in Scotland. I've no sense of the accuracy of the attached but it suggests otherwise
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,reform-to-become-scotlands-secondlargest-party-poll-suggests
^ I guess it’s apt and suitable timing that I’ve just asked a mate to print me a “reform are ****s” sticker for the car
I'm sure there was some discussions about Reform making no progress in Scotland. I've no sense of the accuracy of the attached but it suggests otherwise
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,reform-to-become-scotlands-secondlargest-party-poll-suggests
Not so much a discussion more a case of one person claiming that Reform had made no advances in Scotland and that it was allegedly a uniquely English phenomen.
In terms of accuracy Survation actually have a fairly reasonable track record, certainly better than "I know because none of my mates...blah blah", and even if you take the margin of error into consideration it paints a very rosy picture north of the border for Nigel Farage.
I found this quite surprising :
Reform would move into second place as the main opposition party on 21 seats
The previous prediction I saw, very recently, suggested 12 seats for Reform in Holyrood. It is clear that the direction of travel is very much in Reform's favour. As it is in the rest of the UK where the last 14 national opinion polls have either put Reform in the lead or in tie first place.
The very latest opinion poll out today gives Reform a staggering 13% lead over Labour. Not only has Starmer's Labour Party failed to reverse growing support for Reform but Reform is simply getting stronger as disillusionment with the current government increases.
I'm impressed he's going for a Uk version of DOGE.
he's really looking at the dumpster fire of America 2025, and going "that's what we need".
I'm impressed he's going for a Uk version of DOGE.
he's really looking at the dumpster fire of America 2025, and going "that's what we need".
I think he should do much more of that, and make it clear what a clueless self serving grifter he is.
What is it about Reform that attracts Saville fans, Hitler fans and fans of not doing any actual work?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g2qxr79gdo
I think Reform are really scraping the barrel to get the numbers of candidates, this can only backfire on them. I'm in Midlothian and the Reform candidate for the GE had very little information available on him. All I could find was that he was a Polish immigrant, not exactly your stereotypical Reform type. If they do manage to get decent numbers of councillors or MP's it'll show them up for what they are, we shouldn't underestimate them but we should give them enough rope to hang themselves. With the state the Tories are in then this might leave some grown ups in charge.
What is it about Reform that attracts Saville fans, Hitler fans and fans of not doing any actual work?
I wasn't sure whether to post that link or not, as it doesn't really give any details as to why he couldn't do his duties. He might be a lazy shit, he might have just had a cancer diagnosis.
Tice was feeling the heat on QT last night. A lot in the audience in the "give them a chance, the other parties have been rubbish" camp and a lot in the "given the success of Brexit, you'd better have a plan this time" camp.
Also interesting that a few folk referring to Brexit as imposing tariffs on ourselves, which I think may be the kind of language that might explain the effects to the hard of thinking now they've seen the Trump disaster. Farages links to Trump and apeing of Trump policies on things like DOGE are a weak point for Reform.
All I could find was that he was a Polish immigrant, not exactly your stereotypical Reform type.
On the contrary, I associate East Europeans who come from societies which lack cultural and ethnic diversity with high levels of intolerance and bigotry.
And let's be fair the Reform UK party chairman, Muhammad Ziauddin Yusuf, doesn't exactly have the sort of name which you would automatically associate with a Nigel Farage ally.
Not forgetting that very recently we have had two Home Secretaries, Priti Patel and Suella Braverman, who were both children of immigrants, that had particularly hostile attitudes towards asylum seekers and immigrants. One was actually the daughter of asylum seekers and openly admitted that the policies which she championed would have prevented her parent's successful asylum application.
I am afraid that race and ethnicity is no barrier to being an arsehole.
Like it or not, Farage is the most successful UK politician of the last 15 years.
That obviously reflects very badly on us as an electorate
While there is a lot of that to be depressed about, it’s also a reflection on how Farage (or those around him) successfully weaponised social media during the referendum campaign to target messaging, at times using some seriously dubious methods.
All while the established parties thought they were at the cutting edge if they had a website they updated once every few weeks.
Not much has changed in that respect. Loads of those in Westminster still don’t get it at all and don’t understand this pesky (not even) new world. Farage does. He’s literally years ahead of them
On the contrary, I associate East Europeans who come from societies which lack cultural and ethnic diversity with high levels of intolerance and bigotry.
Exactly, isn't Poland one of the most racists countries (although not sure how it is measured) so perfect for Reform, especially as they are experts at ignoring hypocrisy and massive holes in their arguments.
I read that in y part of the world one of Nigel’s councillors has decided that the thought of having to work is too much and has resigned already. So we now have to have a bye election. Not sure how that fits with Nigel’s reducing wasteful spending mantra.
Like it or not, Farage is the most successful UK politician of the last 15 years.
In terms of headlines, outrage and reaction yes.
In terms of “actually making things better for people”, not so much
i don't deny his impact, but challenge that as a measure of success
I think Reform are really scraping the barrel to get the numbers of candidates
On the contrary I've think they've gone out of their way to select candidates most attractive to their target supporters.
Not forgetting that very recently we have had two Home Secretaries, Priti Patel and Suella Braverman, who were both children of immigrants, that had particularly hostile attitudes towards asylum seekers and immigrants.
"Pull the ladder up I can swim".
On the contrary I've think they've gone out of their way to select candidates most attractive to their target supporters.
They clearly haven't done a lot of research into prospective candidates, like I said, scraping the barrel.
On the contrary I've think they've gone out of their way to select candidates most attractive to their target supporters.
They clearly haven't done a lot of research into prospective candidates, like I said, scraping the barrel.
Mate of mine worked with him on panels, speech circuits etc and commented that he'd never met such a brittle and deeply insecure person, constantly in need of reassurance and flattery. A good chance that the wheels will come off in the next 4 years.
Now that it’s expanding to include other people who may steal some of his limelight, and going off past record, It’s definitely worth a bet that the Reform Party and Farage will no longer be one of the same thing by the next general election.
If, as rumoured, Cruella joins them this week, it’ll be interesting to see how Nige copes with another inflammatory, press-savvy, publicity-hungry attention-seeker
All these ‘parties’ are ultimately just a vehicle for his enormous fragile ego and his need to be worshipped by half-wits. They all end the same way. Nige doesn’t do collegiate. Nige does dictatorships, with him at the helm
It’s definitely worth a bet that the Reform Party and Farage will no longer be one of the same thing by the next general election.
I was wondering recently if you were still sticking to your prediction that Reform UK won't still be around by the time of the next general election binners.
Are you now saying that Reform will be but Nigel Farage won't be their leader?
I won't deny that Reform don't have much of the necessary criteria for a stable political base but right now it is difficult to paint them in a dire declining state.
In the last 10 months they have more than doubled their level of support and they are now making inroads into area where before they had little support, such as Scotland.
Pretty much every single opinion poll now either puts Reform in the lead or joint first. And this lead is now becoming a double digit lead, I can't remember the last time any party had a double digit lead.
So there is very little evidence that their bubble is closed to bursting and plenty of evidence that the political ground is currently extremely fertile for them.
Consequently I think it requires a remarkable leap of faith to believe that the Reform/Farage axis will come crashing down within the next 48 months.
Care for a pastry-based bet then comrade?
I’ll wager you a twenty quid Gregg’s gift card that Farage and Reform are no longer one of the same by the next election.
Nige will still be there, as he always is, but the present incarnation of Reform, if it still exists, will be sans man-frog.
The other thing there is that without frog-face, Reform will implode, in the same way all his other vehicles have.
The other thing there is that without frog-face, Reform will implode, in the same way all his other vehicles have.
So both Nigel Farage and Reform will be gone before the next general election?
Has anyone told Keir Starmer?
commented that he'd never met such a brittle and deeply insecure person,
A narcissist like his "friend" Trump.
Apparently his EU Parliament attendance is 745 out of 746. The only chap with worse attendance was from Ireland, had a stroke and was medically incapable.
Apparently his EU Parliament attendance is 745 out of 746. The only chap with worse attendance was from Ireland, had a stroke and was medically incapable.
More currently, are stats available for UK Parliament attendance? Or constituency attendance?
Apparently his EU Parliament attendance is 745 out of 746. The only chap with worse attendance was from Ireland, had a stroke and was medically incapable.
More currently, are stats available for UK Parliament attendance? Or constituency attendance?
Might be tricky, I found this FOI request... (TLDR: This information is not held by the House of Commons.)
Didn't he say he wasn't going to do constituency surgerys due to "security concerns"?
Apparently his EU Parliament attendance is 745 out of 746
Erm... that's good isn't it?
Didn't he say he wasn't going to do constituency surgerys due to "security concerns"?
Apparently his EU Parliament attendance is 745 out of 746
Erm... that's good isn't it?
That's his ranking, next to bottom
Didn't he say he wasn't going to do constituency surgerys due to "security concerns"?
Apparently his EU Parliament attendance is 745 out of 746
Erm... that's good isn't it?
It was worded badly...
analysis of the MEP voting records places Farage 745th out of 746 MEPs on the register - with only Brian Crowley, a MEP in Ireland who has NEVER voted, below him.
EDIT: A fall from a building left Mr Crowley paralysed from the waist down when he was 16 years old. So I guess he gets a pass, what's farrages excuse?
what's farrages excuse?
That he’s a bone idle bastard with zero interest in doing the job he’s being paid to do and who loses interest in everything the second the cameras aren’t on
A self-serving cockwomble
It’s definitely worth a bet that the Reform Party and Farage will no longer be one of the same thing by the next general election.
I was wondering recently if you were still sticking to your prediction that Reform UK won't still be around by the time of the next general election binners.
Are you now saying that Reform will be but Nigel Farage won't be their leader?
I won't deny that Reform don't have much of the necessary criteria for a stable political base but right now it is difficult to paint them in a dire declining state.
In the last 10 months they have more than doubled their level of support and they are now making inroads into area where before they had little support, such as Scotland.
Pretty much every single opinion poll now either puts Reform in the lead or joint first. And this lead is now becoming a double digit lead, I can't remember the last time any party had a double digit lead.
So there is very little evidence that their bubble is closed to bursting and plenty of evidence that the political ground is currently extremely fertile for them.
Consequently I think it requires a remarkable leap of faith to believe that the Reform/Farage axis will come crashing down within the next 48 months.
Remember the sdp and otherbubbles. Identical trajectories.
Uk politucs is full of byelection wonder wins thar go nowhere
Remember the sdp and otherbubbles. Identical trajectories.
"Identical" trajectory? Certainly not.
Reform is currently leading in all recent opinion polls and their lead this week actually hit double digits. All the evidence is that if there was a general election tomorrow they would in all likelihood be the largest party. I am fairly confident that the SDP never led in one single opinion poll.
And it would be extraordinarily naive to compare the UK political climate over 40 years ago which was relatively stable and predictable with the current political crisis which has gripped the UK, Europe, and the United States. The former certainties are no longer certain and we are entering uncharted political territory.
I make no predictions btw, I just try to gauge likely probabilities based on available evidence.
Edit : Btw the SDP did survive the duration of the parliament and in the 1983 general election the Alliance very effectively helped Margret Thatcher to secure a landslide victory, despite the fact that the combined Labour Alliance vote easily exceeded the Tory vote. So even if history repeats itself "identically" it's not great news, unless you are a Tory.
EDIT: A fall from a building left Mr Crowley paralysed from the waist down when he was 16 years old. So I guess he gets a pass
Why? Sounds like he was riding the gravy train even harder than the Man-Frog.
Ernie
reform are splitting the right-wing vote so will help Labour as happened at the GE
So you think that Reform will be around at the next general election then?
Yes it is possible that Reform will have the same effect as they had last general election but that seems unlikely as support for Labour has collapsed since then, and all the evidence suggests a low probability that Labour will recover anytime soon.
Generally when a party wins a landslide victory their support falls in the following general election, in fact I can't think of a postwar example where that didn't happen.
So Labour have their work cut out if they are to buck the trend and secure at the next general election at least the 34% they achieved in 2024. They best start off getting rid of Starmer and McSweeney.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/reform-record-10-point-lead-over-labour-farage-3685725
And this imo is the single most important claim made in that article :
However, he added: “You can’t argue with the trend"
Whatever differences the polls might have they all agree on one thing - the trend. And that trend has not changed for the last 10 months, nor are there any obvious signs that it is likely to anytime soon.
The trend. Reform splitting the rightwing vote. Labour losing votes to lib dems, national parties and greens
I see a dozen of the new reform councillors are currently under investigation for sharing tweets(etc) on Islamophobia and far right material from the far right group 'Britain First'
I see a dozen of the new reform councillors are currently under investigation for sharing tweets(etc) on Islamophobia and far right material from the far right group 'Britain First'
No one saw that coming.
Farage is on his third political party. How long is it before Reform collapses, like the other two?
(Richard Murphy)
It's a rare day in British politics when the voice of reason is Simon Jenkins
Indeed. I hardly ever agree with him
Labour losing votes to lib dems, national parties and greens
You're really not paying attention are you ?!?
Firstly support for the LibDems has barely changed since last year's general election, have a look at the graph below in the latest opinion poll which gives Reform a 10% lead, you will see that LibDem support is at 13% and quite stable, the LibDems got 12% at the last general election.
Secondly you will see that despite a 5% drop in support for the Tories since the general election the drop in support of Labour is far greater, 13%
The reason for this is that despite Reform taking a lot of support from the Tories the Tories are making up for a lot of their losses by taking support from Labour.
Granted the Greens have more than doubled their support since the general election which is undoubtedly at Labour's expense but their 5% increase isn't explained by Labour's 13% loss.
Labour are losing support to everyone but probably most of all to the Tories. Your claim should be that Labour are losing votes to the Tories, the Greens, Reform, the LibDems, and national parties, that would be more accurate 💡
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/reform-record-10-point-lead-over-labour-farage-3685725
Labour are losing support to everyone but probably most of all to the Tories.
Nope. Mostly to the LibDems.
Nope. Mostly to the LibDems.
Condescending or otherwise, you could at least show your working 🙂
Ernie shows a chart and gives a detailed explanation, a response of "nope" isn't really all that convincing tbh.
Read the polling data.
eg.
I’ve been watching the polling data. Labour have been losing people who voted for them in 2024 to, in order of scale of shift… LibDem, Green, Reform, Tory. It’s narrowed between the four this month, was much more predominately LibDem before the last few published polls.
LibDems have been losing more support to Reform than they’ve been gaining from Labour hence their polling staying flat.
Tories losing to Reform in a big way.
a detailed explanation
Lot of words. Just an opinion stated.
It seems avoiding doing your job is a requirement for representing Reform
BBC News - New councillor Andrew Hamilton-Gray revealed as sacked policeman - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre9z20x0r3o
You're really not paying attention are you ?!?
Hey, I've got an idea! Why don't you try not being a condescending knob occasionally?
Because I'm talking to TJ and that's how I talk to him.
TJ is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, I think it is rather condescending if you feel that you have to speak on his behalf, ironically.
And yes, I don't think TJ pays sufficient attention as he is clearly obsessed with Scottish politics at the expense of wider UK politics.
Rupert Lowe although a hateful human has realised how bad Farage is - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnv138z2gl9o
hateful human
Hateful human is sugar coating it.
An expensive listen - If you are inclined to throwing things at your speakers. We live amongst people who'll listen to that and think he's a bit of alright.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6RuAxqw23vB84ahT6yoTum?si=Ch6VFyGWQvCSeeD75XM71w
30 seconds in a lift... I don't think he'd be doing quite so much talking.
hateful human
Hateful human is sugar coating it.
An expensive listen - If you are inclined to throwing things at your speakers. We live amongst people who'll listen to that and think he's a bit of alright.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6RuAxqw23vB84ahT6yoTum?si=Ch6VFyGWQvCSeeD75XM71w
30 seconds in a lift... I don't think he'd be doing quite so much talking.
I envision a “Ryan Gosling - Drive : Elevator Scene” would be the solution
Did anyone see Mr Oakshott, Dickie Tyce on Peston the other night?
It was a quite eye-opening performance, mainly featuring his full-throated defence of Israel’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank, parroting exactly the Netanyahu lines.
With even Trump appearing to get a bit squeamish about it, it’s a subject Farage seems to side-step but his Reform colleagues aren’t so reticent. They’re clearly very relaxed about the present genocide in the same way as Mr Yaxley-Lennon and his supporters seem to have adopted the Israeli flag over recent years