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I am impressed with how some people are determined to stick to the old, simple, easy-to-understand explanations, for the sudden massive rise in support for Reform in the last year, even when reality checks suggest something a tad more complex.
I think it is pretty simple. Labour and the tories are a disaster and many people who may have voted for them now only have Reform to go for as they won't ever go for that crazy Green party will they and Lib Dems will be just the same as Labour and tories. Quite a few people will stick with Labour, tory, Lib Dem as they pretty much maintain the status quo and for the likes of me I am doing okay with any of them but many are not doing okay.
Reform is different so that must be good plus they have got caught up in the whole anti immigration BS.
On the first point I would agree with them that Labour, tories and Lib Dems are very similar with the difference being that what we think would actually improve matters
Unlike you who can see that British Indians are another nationality?
Stop the trolling.
Oh so now it's trolling to point out that British Indians are not "other nationalities" ! 🤣
Ernie - interesting point of pedantry British Indians would be Indians with British heritage and Indian Britons would be Brits with Indian heritage - no? Unless Britons refers to the Celtic peoples such as the ethnic Welsh.
But that’s all just me being silly.
More importantly, if you want to get shot of Farage, and I do, I suspect you ignore the boats / immigration and address the economy and jobs.
Don’t fight a battle on someone else’s turf that you cannot win.
Fight one you can, because if you look at any civil conflict tensions rise and fall with whether folk feel secure in having jobs, enough for them and their families etc.
To quote a decent PotUS (and as I understand it, moral vacuum at a personal level) - it’s the economy stupid.
Though he may not have actually said it.
Don’t fight a battle on someone else’s turf that you cannot win.
The difficulty is that immigration is all over the media all the time so needs to be addressed. Maybe just keep stating, every single day, that we actually need immigration, 'small boats', asylum hotels etc,. are not actually a big deal when put in perspective and so on whenever the subject is raised with them.
In the background sort out the asylum claiming process so it takes on average a matter of weeks and then come back when it is fixed. Labour have had a year to sort that out and don't seem to be doing well. They should have seen it was getting overblown and quickly stamped on it.
Ernie - interesting point of pedantry British Indians would be Indians with British heritage and Indian Britons would be Brits with Indian heritage - no? Unless Britons refers to the Celtic peoples such as the ethnic Welsh.
Dunno, I didn't choose the terminology, I'm just a simple soul with Grade 2 CSE English, according to the Guardian article "a group of Oxford academics" decided on the terminology:
"Research by the 1928 Institute, a group of Oxford academics who analyse the British Indian community, shows backing for Reform has jumped in the past year from 4% to 13%."
What I do know for sure though is that they are referring to a certain demographic of British voters who have the right to vote in UK elections, I wouldn't refer to them as "other nationalities", and not least because they are often likely to have more right to British nationality than me!
I also know that describing them as "other nationalities" is the sort of language that I would associate with Nigel Farage, the subject matter of this thread.
I am surprised that point needs to be made, I have always considered stw to be 'Woke Grand Central'. But then wokeness has always been riddled with hypocrisy so I can understand why it might somehow be acceptable to reference British Indians as other nationalities whilst castigating Nigel Farage should he dare to do so.
wokeness has always been riddled with hypocrisy
Yawn.
Ernie - as I said it was silliness on my part. I knew who you meant. Same as you probably knew that it was differing ethnicities not nationalities that were being referred to. But yes the comment was inaccurate and unhelpful - and yes if NF had done it I would have assumed racism on his part. Same as I did with his appalling defence of his racist MP the other day.
wokeness has always been riddled with hypocrisy
Seeing that posted on a thread about a populist, far right shit stirrer like Farage has to be a comedy high point. 👏
"Woke" means what exactly? Accepting of other cultures? Sexualities? Nationalities?
If Farage is anti-woke and that is something to be emulated, then I'm actually quite happy to be classed as woke tbh.
But yes the comment was inaccurate and unhelpful - and yes if NF had done it I would have assumed racism on his part.
Which was exactly my point. I haven't got much time for the middle-class self-appointed grammar police who castigate ordinary working-class punters for saying coloured people instead of people of colour, but I feel very strongly that British people from the ethnic minorities should not be referred to as being "other nationalities" when discussing UK politics.
At not least because it feeds directly into the highly dangerous and divisive narrative currently being given prominence by the likes of Stephen Lennon, Nigel Farage, and Reform.
I am surprised that my observation should be receiving any sort of pushback on a thread in which on a day-to-day basis people are denouncing Nigel Farage's/Reform's divisive rhetoric. A simple acknowledgement of the need not to echo that sort of Farage shite would probably have been more what I expected. But hey-ho 🙃