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Probably doesn't matter - people will have heard it and believed it and not listened to any of his nonsense afterwards. They will only be the people who are already Reform voters though I guess.
It’d blow up the trading relationship with the EU too, though god knows he’s done enough damage on that front already.
Any independent analysis of the nonsense he spouted the other day has concluded that all of it is laughably unachievable.
Farage knows this full well, but he’s working on the basis that there are enough unquestioning morons who’ll ignore the experts (we’ve had enough of those, after all) and vote his way.
Hey, it worked for him in 2016
Yeah, have already seen post on FB from people that lean his way demanding that the UK closes its borders. Not sure how they plan to do this or what it will acheive.
Can we please ask how any faragists we encounter plan to protect their pensions once he is in.
Explain how truss ****ed it up and he will be worse.
What would happen to reform if the fag stained, man frog keeled over? Would they lose their popularity straight away or would someone else be able to fill the void? He does seem to be uniquely gifted with "the common touch", something that can't be said for Tice et al.
What would happen to reform if the fag stained, man frog keeled over?
I expect someone eg Johnson, would be dusted off to replace him.
Ultimately the "common touch" seems heavily dependent on journalists playing along with it eg how his "speaks it as he sees it" is badly undermined by how he simply refuses to answer any question he doesnt fancy and instead of chasing him on it the journalists nod along.
Living in a country with PR I love this rose-tinted view that it would solve Everything. At a very minimum it means getting rid of a constituent MP - and like FPTP or not, having a "local" MP is definitely a strong point about UK politics. Without it you have some kind of party list: vote for Labour, and you'll get the MPs Labour decides are good for you. With no personal accountability.
Not nessacarily - the scottish system you still have constituency MSPs and a few regional list MSPs. It works well. Its not fully proportional but its close and it has a high threshold but its the best system I know of.
Finally Reform have identified a candidate for a mayoral election that is pretty well guaranteed to not post something horrific in future and bring the party into disrepute
https://insidecroydon.com/2025/08/27/farage-party-picked-a-dead-woman-to-run-for-croydon-mayor/
Fingers crossed regarding the ECHR - it was bad enough when they cheered us leaving the EU - to do the same with our actual rights is fascism of the highest order.
Finally Reform have identified a candidate for a mayoral election that is pretty well guaranteed to not post something horrific in future and bring the party into disrepute
A solicitor is probably unwrapping a manuscript with a note on it "only publish posthumously as its too controversial".
Fingers crossed regarding the ECHR - it was bad enough when they cheered us leaving the EU - to do the same with our actual rights is fascism of the highest order.
As the tories found out when they suggested it and as per my post above. Its possible for England but for NI, Scotland and I assume Wales it much more complex. Basically for NI its in the agreements ( Belfast agreement?) similarly for Scotland and I assume Wales its in the legislation setting up the parliament. for Scotland unless holyrood agrees the only way to disapply the ECHR would be to totally close down holyrood. The Scotland act can only be altered with the approval of both parliaments. I cannot see Holyrood ever agreeing this. Westminster does have to power to end the Holyrood parliament but I suspect that would lead to more than a little trouble 🙂
As the JRM thread is now closed cos he's dead irrelevant - not sure if this belongs here or somewhere else.
But it's good to see the career oppurtunities afforded to ex MPs
https://twitter.com/i/status/1960803327345877415
There's a gag going round social media - If you could have dinner with anyone dead or alive, who would it be?
Nigel Farage. Dead.
That JRM bollocks is beyond belief. Parody, satire, etc. are truly dead, buried, and decomposed.
Somebody was on 5live this morning talking about how the Government wanted to use his hotel to house asylum seekers, or illegal immigrants in his words. Didn't take him long to talk about my mate Nigel and become a mouthpiece for Reform. Do the BBC not do any research before they get people on? Turns out he is John Mappin, Q Anon type, Turning Point UK funder and Trump supporter.
Somebody was on 5live this morning talking about how the Government wanted to use his hotel to house asylum seekers, or illegal immigrants in his words. Didn't take him long to talk about my mate Nigel and become a mouthpiece for Reform. Do the BBC not do any research before they get people on? Turns out he is John Mappin, Q Anon type, Turning Point UK funder and Trump supporter.
My wife booked us into his hotel - I think he talking shite to be honest.
The hotel is wild - the wait staff (all female, wearing 1950s esque maid outfits) conspiracy theory booklets in each room talking about lizards & stealing children's blood. And... the art.
A chap called Ted Stourton who paints the shitest paintings I have ever seen that are on sale for ridiculous sums of money & are not in keeping with the olde worlde feel of the hotel at all.
Just look at him, the sniveling little toady. Stood there sucking up to a wannabe dictator while, without a hint of irony, talking utter nonsense about Britain becoming an authoritarian state.
It absolutely baffles to me why anyone gives this self-serving shyster the time of day.
As usual it looks like photo ops in the US takes priority over the day job of apparently being an MP
It absolutely baffles to me why anyone gives this self-serving shyster the time of day.
100%
Every now than something will pop up in facebook feed. Someone will point out that what he has said is unworkable, or just plain stupid and you then see a barrage of comments along the lines of "our next PM!!!!!! suk it up snowflakes" and then a load of flags. There are people out there totally into it and him.
As usual it looks like photo ops in the US takes priority over the day job of apparently being an MP
It does say a lot he spent the summer doing all his press conferences to gain attention but then as soon as parliament opened he sodded off.
I dont think the hearing went quite how he wanted it to as the democrats didnt hold back. It would be nice if our journalists took some notes since it gives a far clearer view of someone who really isnt open and honest when put under a minor bit of pressure but just blusters in a slightly different way from the normal politician deflection.
Apparently we are becoming North Korea so I assume he will be staying in exile in the USA. I mean if I believed that and knew that the leader knew about me I would be in exile since I have an aversion to being tortured to death.
I feel he may regret the "Britain has become North Korea" statement, after all we all know what happens to politicians who stand out/mess up in North Korea, they get invited out the back of the building and .........BANG
Great quote from the US congressional hearing on censorship that Farage has appeared before:
“To the people of the UK who think this Putin-loving free speech impostor and Trump sycophant will protect freedom in this country: come on over to America and see what Trump and Maga are doing to destroy our freedom. You might … think twice before you let Mr Farage make Britain great again.”
That's all very well but the average Reform voter isn't going to see a problem with what is happening currently stateside.
Maybe not... but to be in government, Reform need to win over more than their "average Reform voter", and opposition to Labour needs to be built on (the UK under being painted as becoming a "Police State" by American politicians over amplified by USA owned Social Media is helping with that).
When challenged as to why he was in the US and not in Parliament yesterday he wasn't happy. "So what?" possibly not the best image to create.
Reform need to win over more than their "average Reform voter
Have you seen the opinion polls lately?
Reform need to win over more than their "average Reform voter
Have you seen the opinion polls latel
Be interesting to see how it pans out round here (Blackpool/Fylde coast)
Years ago there was massive opposition to fracking round here, especially after there were several earthquakes (albeit pretty minor but some reports of property damage and people certainly felt them.)
But I believe Nige wants to immediately over turn the fracking ban, so what will the locals see as more important? I don't hold out much hope.
If only the UK was North Korea - we could march him around the corner and do the biz with a pistol.
Surprise surprise Nadine joins Farages Fillies
I for one am happy reform are offering an alternative to the uniparty of Labour/tories and giving us a new party which isnt just a bunch of tory rejects and definitely isnt led by professional politicians who have spent their life in politics like Farage sorry I meant Starmer, oh shit he didn't ermmmm oh look at that squirrel!
Surprise surprise Nadine joins Farages Fillies
Nasty Nadine joins Nasty Nigel.
Seeing as she's no longer a MP, it is basically just another horrible piece of work backing Reform. Just like all their voters.
Hardly worth bothering to report on it.
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It’s surely going to get a bit laughable to portray Reform as being anti-establishment party when it’s rammed full of Tory rejects who all lost their seats at the last election?
Liz Truss is surely next? Nige is a big fan remember, singing the praises of her mini-budget at the time, shortly before it imploded the UK economy.
In other totally unsurprising news: Nige is dodging tax and a prominent American anti-vax loon has been invited to address the Reform conference with his tinfoil-helmet views on medicine
None of that matters as you will find if you go and talk to a few Reform voters. They are not into the detail...
True. Channel 4 news did a vox pop on the street in Sunderland a few weeks back, where Reform are polling really well. They simply asked a load of professed Reform supporters ‘other than immigration, what other Reform policies do you support?’
Cue lots of confused looking people going “erm….. errrrrrrr……”
Wonder if this is a pre-cursor to the up turned sofa's return to poly tix - when it joins Reform.
I would like to see those 2 egos bashing about there, can only see chaos.
True. Channel 4 news did a vox pop on the street in Sunderland a few weeks back, where Reform are polling really well. They simply asked a load of professed Reform supporters ‘other than immigration, what other Reform policies do you support?’
Cue lots of confused looking people going “erm….. errrrrrrr……”
Yep, I commented on that the time in another thread, its almost like they revel in their own utterly complete ignorance.
Absolutely no excuse for it, call them out every time for being thick as shit.
Unsurprisingly Radio 5 Live are airing some Reform rally live right now. Appreciate it's good controversial content but I'm sickened and saddened by how much air time they're given.
True. Channel 4 news did a vox pop on the street in Sunderland a few weeks back, where Reform are polling really well. They simply asked a load of professed Reform supporters ‘other than immigration, what other Reform policies do you support?’
Cue lots of confused looking people going “erm….. errrrrrrr……”
Reform have managed to convince their supporters that once immigration is "dealt with", everything else will be fixed. They don't need other policies.
Andrea Jenkyns conference ‘speech’?
There are no words…. 😳
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/andrea-jenkyns-band-reform-song-video-b2820978.html
how much air time they're given.
And yet they still whine about how "main stream media" is mean to them despite giving them all this fawning coverage and complete lack of any hard questions. The US congress thing was fascinating in just how badly Farage handles tough questions which he cant just wave away.
Brutal takedown
Seriously, how can this be allowed to happen?
My BIL has passed the initial stages to become a 'councillor' for Reform - my sister is less than impressed, especially after he went to one of the 'hotel' protests recently. Just been away (Wales) for two weeks, and come back to one of our main roads covered in flags on every light post - must be over 50 flags. FFS.
And yet they still whine about how "main stream media" is mean to them
They need to be able to project being both heroic and victims at the same time. You'll see the same mentality in all Alt-Right/Far-Right broadcasters and grifters from Alex Jones Tucker Carlson, etc etc.
despite giving them all this fawning coverage and complete lack of any hard questions.
Farage gets a lot of coverage, in all but GB News its hardly ever 'fawning' and I've seen plenty of times Farage gets asked challenging questions, he's just very good (like most politicians TBF) of answering a different question or ignoring inconveniently difficult subjects.
For years I enjoyed reading Dr Aseem Malhotra and his no sugar messaging in the press but then he joined the anti-vax brigade and I was disappointed. Now he's speaking for Reform and has just ascribed the King's cancer to the Covid vaccine at their conference. Can't help but think that he's in the wrong place with the wrong name, wrong colour and wrong message, oh dear Dr Malhotra what are you thinking?
oh dear Dr Malhotra what are you thinking?
Perhaps he's planning a trip to America?
I've not lived in the UK since 2007 so am a little out of touch. But what I can't understand, is the fact that my parents hate Trump and everything he stands for, yet love (and voted for) Nigel Farage! Aren't they the same? Am I missing something here?
It’s Vegemite and Marmite.
That Dr definitely bought first class tickets for the Grift Express!
Am I missing something here?
Farage is more subtle about things. He carefully walks the line and, mostly, succeeds in implying vs actually saying and letting others do the saying. Whereas Trump just takes a shit on the line.
So it gives more opportunity for people to read what they want into what he says and give him the benefit of the doubt.
Exactly this. Farage is very clever in that the racism and nastiness he espouses is generally suggested or implied and done through nods and winks, rather than obviously foghorned out, like Trump.
Then if more obviously extremist Tommy Robinson types want to take it and run with it? Well that’s nothing to do with him, is it?
He simply said that he wanted to restore English national pride that ‘our’ culture is being diluted by immigrants.
He didn’t actually say ‘go out and throw bricks at a mosque or set fire to a hotel’ did he? And just look at his affable, tweedy, red-jeaned innocent face, completely mystified as to why anyone would take that as the message he was trying to convey.
Plausible deniability.
Not for the first time on this thread, but if that plane crash had gone just slightly differently, wonder how the last 15 years would have panned out?
I certainly wouldn't be upset if he had another unfortunate accident.
For years I enjoyed reading Dr Aseem Malhotra and his no sugar messaging in the press but then he joined the anti-vax brigade and I was disappointed. Now he's speaking for Reform and has just ascribed the King's cancer to the Covid vaccine at their conference. Can't help but think that he's in the wrong place with the wrong name, wrong colour and wrong message, oh dear Dr Malhotra what are you thinking?
Agreed, I even have his diet book and it is very good. Following the diet in it, I was able to effectively reverse my pre-diabetes and loose a whole load of weight in the process.
But whatever we think of the s**t-show that are Reform, perhaps he does have a point here. It is important to clarify whether he anti-vaccine in general, or just anti the novel Covid MRNA vaccines that were rolled in haste?
My wife, who didn't get the covid vaccine because a friend of hers had a very severe reaction to her Pfizer jab that she still hasn't fully recovered from, forwarded me a recent study from Japan where it is clear that there have been significant level of excess death after covid vaccination.
She has also send me a podcast from Senior Oncologist Angus Dalgleish (worth a Google), who has listed seemingly plausible mechanisms of action as to how the MRNA shots might have interfered with the immune responses that keep cancers at bay. Very interesting listening to what he has to say, and to learn that we all have some degree of cancer at all times apparently, but normally these cells are destroyed by a healthy immune system.
Now this might all be coincidental, but why is it that we are being told to dismiss such information as 'far-right' etc? Surely we need to put our politics aside on this one, and with all the new evidence coming to light recently, it does need a proper looking into.
Lots of people eat lobster everyday.
I eat lobster and I'm puking everywhere. WE MUST ALL STOP EATING LOBSTER.
Lots of people eat lobster everyday.
I eat lobster and I'm puking everywhere. WE MUST ALL STOP EATING LOBSTER.
Imagine the scenario where you were made to eat lobster everyday to be able to keep your care or NHS job even though it makes you sick, have to eat lobster if you want to travel abroad, reminded to eat lobster every time you turned on the TV, asked constantly whether you had eaten your lobster today by friends and family, and if you said no because you didn't care for it, you are a selfish individual who is killing others and you become uninvited from family events, meals etc.
This was the unfortunate situation my wife found herself in when she refused her Covid vaccine because she had seen her best friend become seriously ill after taking it. But she was treated like scum and her concerns dismissed by people who should have known better.
I'm not dismissing anyone who has evidence that some people have suffered ill health and indeed death from the vaccines. I'm disappointed that a Dr would choose a 'far right' political stage to air those views. Which has the side effect of reinforcing the far right right anti-vax stereotype and devaluing the message (along with Dalgleish). I'm open to Dr Malhotras views but when he speaks at a Reform event and brings in the King's cancer (which let's face it you'd have a great deal of difficulty proving was caused by vaccination) I can't help asking, well, what I said earlier - oh dear Dr Malhotra, what are you thinking?
On a personal level the Astra vaccine gave me headaches and neck ache, the fact there were two doses removed the coincidence possibility in my own mind. The MRNA vaccines had no adverse effects I noted. However my main health issues over the last five years started with catching Covid very early on, March 2000. I initially though I'd got bad seasonal asthma, then Madame Edukator got Covid toes and conjunctivitis and we realised we'd got it. Knowing what I know now I'd have no hesitation in using a time machine to take myself the Moderna vaccine back to January 2000.
Edit to add: Worse than I thought:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Dalgleish
I'm not dismissing anyone who has evidence that some people have suffered ill health and indeed death from the vaccines. I'm disappointed that a Dr would choose a 'far right' political stage to air those views. Which has the side effect of reinforcing the far right right anti-vax stereotype and devaluing the message. I'm open to Dr Malhotras views but when he speaks at a Reform event and brings in the King's cancer (which let's face it you'd have a great deal of difficulty proving was caused by vaccination) I can't help asking, well, what I said earlier - oh dear Dr Malhotra, what are you thinking?
On a personal level the Astra vaccine gave me headaches and neck ache, the fact there were two doses removed the coincidence possibility in my own mind. The MRNA vaccines had no adverse effects I noted. However my main health issues over the last five years started with catching Covid very early on, March 2000. I initially though I'd got bad seasonal asthma, then Madame Edukator got Covid toes and conjunctivitis and we realised we'd got it. Knowing what I know now I'd have no hesitation in using a time machine to take myself the Moderna vaccine back to January 2000.
Yes it's a shame he had to speak at the Reform event, but perhaps the Green Party haven't invited him? Unfortunately the right leaning press at present seem the only ones to entertain any sort of alternative scientific opinion (of which there seems lots). And it seems to be the right leaning press that have been raising concerns about the incredibly shady business practices of the pharmaceutical industry. Really really strange this, because I always thought it was the left who were traditionally more open to freedom of choice, bodily autonomy and anti-big business etc. Yet on this issue, from the left, just tumbleweed.
Grifters united.
I see the right wing press as being hysterical as usual and there's not a fat lot of objectivity. In fact I'd sum most of it up as conspiracy theory bollocks misquoting and misusing published information. You mentioned Japan which has a number of specificities - an aging population, Covid arrived late at a time when vaccine effectivenes was declining in the face of new variants... . The jury is still out there. Was it just Covid causing the excess deaths or the Covid vaccine? Hard to tell when most people got both and testing was incomplete. I got Covid before the vaccines so I'm absolutely convinced it's Covid not the vaccines that resulted in my current state, however if I hadn't got Covid till a later variant after the vaccination which would I blame?
Compare this with your own words on Japan in your ealier post:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12095670/
You state as fact what the scientists are considering as possibilities.
The title of the paper itself is a poor choice, especially the word "after" which can be read as either "despite" or "because of" depending on how you want to present it.
Now this might all be coincidental, but why is it that we are being told to dismiss such information as 'far-right' etc? Surely we need to put our politics aside on this one, and with all the new evidence coming to light recently, it does need a proper looking into.
Citation needed. What ‘new evidence’ has been coming to light recently? There were certainly some adverse effects with the first AZ vaccines, I understand that there were 68 deaths directly connected with the vaccine, out of approximately 3 million people vaccinated in the U.K.
I can count my late partner as a likely victim, although I have no actual proof, as I refuse to ask her family for confirmation, for obvious reasons.
The number of deaths that may have occurred without any vaccine, on the other hand, could easily have run into millions, like the 1918 epidemic. It’s estimated, because there are countries that never recorded the actual numbers of deaths, ran into 50-100 million.
So, when you can come back and present real, factual information, supplied by organisations that can be trusted, instead of just presenting hearsay, then we might be prepared to listen. Until then, shut up.
https://twitter.com/donmcgowan/status/1964366026457350468?s=46&t=qvPR6lBfBXtAWZ-6beFWyA
Full article below on Farage and his vaccine bollox
https://twitter.com/donmcgowan/status/1955891252374675792?s=46&t=qvPR6lBfBXtAWZ-6beFWyA
I work in a clinical research setting. He wouldn't be able to say that at work, but he can say it there. Mental.
Unfortunately the right leaning press at present seem the only ones to entertain any sort of alternative scientific opinion (of which there seems lots).
Maybe if they offered well researched and peer-reviewed scientific facts (or even verifiable hypotheses) rather than opinions they would be taken more seriously? You know what they say about opinions..
It's hardly a coincidence politically. You'd have to have been living in a cave for the last 10 years not realise why the alt-right would pick up the antivax conspiracy theories and run with them. It is the alt-right who figured first about the hundreds of millions of lonely, disenfranchised, cut-off people ripe for targeted social media misinformation.
In the 80s through to the 00s it was the left who traditionally seeded conspiracy theories as it was "us vs the establishment and their coverups". But they had to do the hard work themselves as SM wasn't really a thing. They had to get books published and articles written about them in newspapers.
But the alt-right realised how to use SM to turbocharge this process of alienation and paranoia. The 'establishment' could then be different things to different people, sometimes the same people at different times. Lockdowns sent this process into overdrive. Ultimately people just don't really like being told what to do.
Maybe western politicians should have let covid rip. But that's a hell of a way to prove a point, knowing that the conspiracy bollocks will just be altered to blame you anyway.
Grifters united
Oh, and this. Imagine a world where you had to message or cold call potential marks. Then imagine one where you could just bang it out on social media and wait for the bites.
Just regarding Reform's big in favour of free speech - why aren't they encouraging people to support Kneecap & Bob Vylan? After all I think they got the most headlines this year regarding it.
Yes it's a shame he had to speak at the Reform event, but perhaps the Green Party haven't invited him?
Political events, left or right, are not suitable places to discuss vaccine efficacy. That would be scientific journals and associated scholarship. That's why folks like Malhotra say the things they do in the places they do.
Maybe western politicians should have let covid rip.
Then the conspiracy would've been that there was a vaccine, but it only being given to elites. You can't win against conspiracy nut-cases at their own game. (to misquote) You can't remove something using rationality that was put there irrationally in the first place.
Just regarding Reform's big in favour of free speech - why aren't they encouraging people to support Kneecap & Bob Vylan? After all I think they got the most headlines this year regarding it.
Not THAT kind of free speech, silly!
There’s also the obvious paradox of gobshites like Farage, who have always been given hugely disproportionate amounts of print/airtime and are never off our screens, constantly complaining that they are being silenced and denied a voice by ‘the media elite’ (whoever they are?)
The thing with the anti-vax stuff is that it’s proved to be a very effective gateway into the tinfoil-helmeted world of far right conspiracy theories. Hence Farage and Reform now weaponising it as Trump has done in the states.
I know someone who’s done exactly this. He’s an educated and intelligent bloke too, who’s started with the anti-vax, then bought into the whole thing.
It’s understandable to have legitimate concerns about something that’s being injected into your body, particularly when developed (through necessity) in haste, but once down that wormhole it’s then on to completely mad shit like replacement theories and other hard right nonsense
Maybe western politicians should have let covid rip.
Then the conspiracy would've been that there was a vaccine, but it only being given to elites. You can't win against conspiracy nut-cases at their own game. (to misquote) You can't remove something using rationality that was put there irrationally in the first place.
Well if you'd quoted all of that paragraph, you would have seen that this was the point I was trying to make.
Maybe western politicians should have let covid rip. But that's a hell of a way to prove a point, knowing that the conspiracy bollocks will just be altered to blame you anyway.
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So then, here's the speech from Dr Malhotra. It's not that long but I am glad I watched it for context, rather than default to the media spin.
Seems pretty convincing and well reasoned to me. But it seems that some are concerned, so I remain open to hearing exactly which of the data quoted in this speech is controversial? What exactly is it Dr Malhotra has got wrong with his 'facts'?
Political events, left or right, are not suitable places to discuss vaccine efficacy. That would be scientific journals and associated scholarship. That's why folks like Malhotra say the things they do in the places they do.
As for this, though. Absolutely spot on. I would have said that breaking down the (correct) Chinese wall between stuff like vaccine efficacy and politics is another area where the alt-right have broken a political taboo and the established parties cannot fight it. How do you fight against something with no code or policies of its own and no regard for truth? And then you get bastards like Trump involved...