niece nose job in turkey.... advice?

Just say no.  Thats the only advice - do not do it

Best advice?
Don’t do it.

My daughter is a scrub nurse and has been present for the correction of numerous overseas cheap cosmetic jobs. I know she'd say no ****ing way!

If you can't get her not to do it, offer to pay the extra to have it done in UK, turkey & plastic surgery really doesn't sound like a good plan.

She pays before it's done. That's desperate madness. Steal her passport so she doesn't spend the rest of her life regretting it and dealing with the medical complications that will surely result.

I'm firmly in the "don't do it", simply because if it goes wrong she is stuffed. If she really wants it done, have a family whip round/loan arranged for her to get it done here.

Three colleagues have visited Istanbul separately this year and all were amazed how many people on the flight home were bandaged up following surgery - noses, chins, hair being obvious, presumably others with tummy tucks or breast work were under warps. I'd had no idea it was such a hotbed for plastic surgery

Didn't someone die recently

My advice would be a firm n0 for a number of reasons. My 2p:

1. It's becoming apparent that the skills of many surgeons aren't quite up to the same standards
2. She should be loving herself how she is, maybe see if you can get her to spend the money on building up her self confidence instead (seriously). Seems that many younger women just want to all look the same for some reason?!
3. Save the money, she never knows when she may need it!

Didn’t someone die recently

Yes and apparently they died alone.

As all of the above. Don't do it.

She pays before it's done is normal practice anything like that, my laser zap of the eyes 23 years ago in UK you tick all the correct boxes then get your card out before they do you

Try to talk some sense into her, you should be able to get a consultation somewhere in the UK which would make far more sense before even thinking of travelling abroad. To make the trip having no idea where she is going or who will do the procedure is madness.

If she's gonna get it done my sis got hers done in Manchester but it was 4k and that was going back quite a while (PM me I can always get the name of the surgery).

I understand the need for cosmetic surgery because we live in a culture which can be deeply spiteful and full of hate. Young women are especially prone to meeting impossible pressures as well as the double standards placed on them by men.

Ultimately, she's a grown adult so if she really wants to get it done then I'd support her but for such invasive surgery you'd really want to be getting it done by a reputable specialist in the UK, even if it x2 the price.

As with all structural and building work, get 3 quotes in, itemised if possible. Ask to see examples of the builders work beforehand in person.

Just take her to Harley Street, be a good uncle and pay the difference or leave her to risk her health going to Turkey.

I had a nose job when I was 21. For a purely medical reason.

It was the most horrific and painful experience imaginable, and everything went perfectly. There is absolutely no way on earth I would have such an operation for any other reason. It still felt weird and uncomfortable several years later, despite the problem I had being completely solved. It was on the nhs and aftercare was first class

So take it from me, she doesn't want to have it. My dad came to visit me and walked straight past as he didn't recognize me. I looked like I'd done a round with Bruno and it felt like it for 5 weeks

I’m in the firmly “stop her now” camp, but also realise that wasn’t the question. The question was, in my words, “what on earth do I do, she’s my niece, I can’t tell her what to do but this doesn’t feel right”.

Beat idea I’ve got right now is show her this thread.

Work colleague had a boob reduction in Turkey last year (long term back issues made worse by big boobs) Fortunately it was fine and she's happy, but UK docs weren't to sure about doing it as she has mental health issues including bi-polar, ADHD so were wary.

If it goes wrong out there, it can go really wrong, and some things can't be fixed back home on the NHS.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/13606050/woman-loses-legs-infection-from-botched-nose-job/

In terms of questions at her consultation, there's nothing she can ask which some bullshitter won't be able to answer persuasively. She doesn't have the medical or surgical expertise to understand the potential complications.

Lots of people going to Türkiye for dental work, trying to look like that bloke on telly with impossibly white teeth, and so many are coming back with teeth almost destroyed, and they’re having to pay even more for reconstruction work in the U.K.

Sadly, I don’t think the outcome is going to be what she’s expecting, and any reconstruction will be even more difficult.

I know someone who had gastric band in Turkey.  It didn’t go well (but she recovered) but extra time spent in Turkey, reorganised flights, loss of earnings, etc probably cost her not far off what she was expecting to save by doing it there BUT it didn’t seem to be about the money (she was offered a loan by relatives to do it here instead).  She’s a bit crazy and actually described it as a holiday with surgery at the end as though she was going to spa!

The more people told her she didn’t need it or she was crazy the more determined she seemed to be.

I know it’s not quite the same but my old next door neighbour is a plastic surgeon. He is Greek and lives in Greece but flies over to the UK when needed, works for both NHS and Private Hospitals.

I also know two people who went to Turkey and their surgery went well. Boob job, eye lids and teeth.

One of the girls went on their own. Was fine. They spent a few days in a hotel room afterwards recovering. She booked longer than required to give her more time to recover.

If she’s going to do it, I’d be thinking of ways you can support her. I’d definitely show her this thread but also explain this is generally middle aged men without the same concerns of a young person. Without a doubt it is a gamble. I think 21 year old me would have taken that gamble if I’d have needed to.

In reality there is nothing you can do as any out data on outcomes from surgery are likely to have been fixed if the surgeon is bad.

All you can do is google the surgeon / hospital and hope it doesn’t come up with any negative stuff

It sounds like the boat has already sailed and your daughter’s decision is made. I doubt this will be the end though. IMO cosmetic surgery is routed in deep seated psychological problems

If nothing else make sure someone goes with her

Re Harley St. That’s not necessarily the best option. I would look for a surgeon with both NHS and private practice, preferably someone who has worked in cancer reconstruction work.

How much is it costing, can you afford to pay the gap for uk?

I’d definitely show her this thread but also explain this is generally middle aged men without the same concerns of a young person.

Yep I’m a middle aged man, with a facial paralysis/ disfigurement from birth. I got bullied all my younger life. Surgery was offered but at potential risk of making it worse. I never took the option although my younger years were hard. Now I am older and wiser I am so glad I didn’t. I am comfortable with who I am.

Also just look at any celebrity who has had plastic surgery, as they approach middle/ old age they quite frankly look very odd !

I've spent time in a hospital in that geographical area. A few days intensive care in the country's 'top' state hospital and a few days in a private hospital once my travel insurance company finally managed to get me moved. It was horrific. The nurses and most of the doctors were doing there best, but even in the private hospital, the conditions were grim. Ancient equipment, poorly trained staff, like the nurse who dropped a cannula needle on the floor, wiped it on her top then inserted it into my arm.... I could go on and on.

I'm sure there are as many wonderful tales of jobs well done as there are tales of woe like mine, but having spent that time trapped in a hospital over there, with no-one to support me and only a handful of English speakers to explain what was going on, I would say no, no, no.

If she's already saved £3000 for the procedure, I'm sure she can be a bit more patient and save enough to get it done properly and safely here where she has family support, even if it's just her favourite uncle.

C.

A big No from me.
Anyone who's ever broken their nose, knows how bloody painful it is.
Please do what you can for your niece.
Yes there is so much pressure for young women to look a 'certain way', but the consequences of this going wrong will affect her for the rest of her life.

My motto, never have any surgery unless it's absolutely necessary. Even the anesthetic can get wrong.

I've had fairly minor surgery go wrong, and the corrective surgery mess things up more. My brother, a dentist, always says 'don't have surgery unless essential'.

I was working at some achingly hip marketing agency in Manchester City Centre not too long back, alongside a few girls in their 20's. I was genuinely absolutely gobsmacked listening to them talking about this subject. It seems that with a certain demographic, cosmetic surgery has now been absolutely normalised. They were talking about what is pretty serious invasive surgery as if they were buying a new outfit. Despite being in their 20's they'd all had 'work' done 😳

https://youtube.com/shorts/uTeyvv7XgDo?si=wUbwSco3SCEiKN8Z

Every time I've had a general anaesthetic the doctors have gone through all the possible outcomes. Which has always included death.

No thanks to surgery where I had no idea what the outcomes were going to be because I didn't speak the language.

I knocked myself out and got concussion in Canada. It was quite a shock coming round slowly and trying to work out what had happened, even with some lovely staff.

When I was 23 I knew everything. I'd go with some suggestions and offers of how you could help get it done in the UK if she has decided that's what's going to happen.

A timely piece in the Guardian today, with a doctor writing:

There was a letter from the chief medical officer reminding me that the NHS should not be providing any pre- or post-operative care for people seeking private surgery abroad. The diminution and degradation of the NHS means that health tourism is booming – but so is the cost of fixing foreign hospitals’ mistakes. The NHS doesn’t have any reliable mechanisms to bill overseas private providers for the follow-up required when British people fly abroad for procedures that go wrong.

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Just watched a video of a woman, no more than 25, who was getting all her perfectly good teeth ground down into stumps so she could have the whitest fake teeth on the planet, i know a couple of folk in their late 20s / early 30s who've had this done, you can almost see the nightmare scenario in 20-30 years time with these folk and dental health.

A thirty something mum in my village flew to Turkey to get a stomach gastric band.  She very nearly died.

Her weight halved in 5 months...

But now has trouble eating enough to maintain herself at 9 stone as she eats 3 mouth fulls of something and is full.

There was a letter from the chief medical officer reminding me that the NHS should not be providing any pre- or post-operative care for people seeking private surgery abroad. The diminution and degradation of the NHS means that health tourism is booming – but so is the cost of fixing foreign hospitals’ mistakes. The NHS doesn’t have any reliable mechanisms to bill overseas private providers for the follow-up required when British people fly abroad for procedures that go wrong.

I get the pre-op bit, but if someone spends all their money on surgery and it goes wrong, what is the NHS supposed to do, just watch them die?

I get the pre-op bit, but if someone spends all their money on surgery and it goes wrong, what is the NHS supposed to do, just watch them die?

Isn't it to do with the reconstructive surgery and so on, rather than critical care, so effectively getting plastic surgery to fix bad plastic surgery and so on?

I'm just not sure how we've gone so far so soon in terms of unattainable beauty and so on, every day you see it on the likes of facebook, friends putting the heavily edited photos up, then saving to get funds to get those features, no matter how bad they look, you'd think Katie Price and the likes would have scared them off, but they see her as famous and want it more!

argee
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Just watched a video of a woman, no more than 25, who was getting all her perfectly good teeth ground down into stumps so she could have the whitest fake teeth on the planet, i know a couple of folk in their late 20s / early 30s who’ve had this done, you can almost see the nightmare scenario in 20-30 years time with these folk and dental health.

Just working on a case today of a lady who went to Turkey to get 4 dental implants and a bridge covering all her upper teeth. It lasted 3 months, I'm now making her a denture.

It seems that with a certain demographic, cosmetic surgery has now been absolutely normalised.

It used to be quite taboo, but nowadays mention something like botox and no one even raises an eyebrow.

I see what you did there.

I see what you did there.

Me too, almost cracked a smile.....

All other things aside,

"I want surgery on my face, best go to Turkey" surely must raise questions. Who gets facial surgery on the cheap? That's blatantly lunacy of the highest order.

Secondly, what's up with her nose? Unless she looks like Sam from The Muppets, likely no-one else will care. "I'm not shagging her, she's got a big nose" said no 20-year old bloke ever. The money would be better spent with a therapist.

“I’m not shagging her, she’s got a big nose” said no 20-year old bloke ever.

I can second this. An ex had a huge nose, but her nose wasn't the cause of me ending the relationship. (She was completely radio rental).

Try to talk your niece out of going. I'm sure there are loads of decent Turkish surgeons but in the same vein as cheap carbon bars, I just wouldn't be taking the risk.