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Mike - immediately after he lost his seat he was touting for speaking appointments at £20 000 a pop.
Its all about the revolving door of tories to business. You do a company a favour when in government and then once you leave parliament they pay you.
Clegg went straight on that gravy train
Of copurse if they had been in a confidence and supply arrangement they could have done a loot more than they did. Seduced by proximity to power.
Who do I vote for - varies. Greens usually as I have green representation at all levels bar westminster
Mike – immediately after he lost his seat he was touting for speaking appointments at £20 000 a pop.
Which was 2 years after the election defeat, if he had retained his seat do you think he would still be in parliament? What should he have done after losing his seat?
Also how many of those speaking gigs did he get?
Its all about the revolving door of tories to business. You do a company a favour when in government and then once you leave parliament they pay you.
Who did he do a favour to? Who has paid him back then? Or is this all unsubstantiated guess work again?
Of copurse if they had been in a confidence and supply arrangement they could have done a loot more than they did. Seduced by proximity to power.
In your opinion....could have easily resulted in a fall of the government and then idiots blaming everything on them and voting for the idiots who got is all into the shit in the first place.
Errmm did the government he was a party of decide not to include facebook in the oversight of the press? IE thats the favour he did them to be rewarded with the salary for nothing
the man is a bigot, a money grubber and has no principles as he has proved. typical tory
IE thats the favour he did them to be rewarded with the salary for nothing
Well if that is the world you live in....what did the other MP's get
Lots mike - do you not follow politics and watch the links? former tory ministers almost always take lucrative non jobs for companies they had previously been in charge of policing. Especially in defence industries
Or their spouses do. thats also common. Often at the same time so health ministers go to work for private health, defence for guns makers
Its totally obvious that Clegg is being used as a fig leaf here, its completely obvious he will do nothing, he is too smart not to realise this.
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I do follow stuff TJ, I am fairly cynical but I have to say you have it in for Clegg, he could be doing anything and you would still get stuck into him.Your obsession with an apology is well an obsession it's amazing what the other parties can be forgiven for but not the LIb Dems.
And yes it's common for people who have held posts to get jobs in that industry
For instance former Labour MP lands job at Sellafield as head of Development and Community Relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Reed
Basically the exposure you get in that position and the connections you have make you a good person to have on board for navigating that sector, especially if you were part of a long term strategy.
It makes good sens to hire them for their skills.
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You mean like Corbyn, waving through all of Mays brexit shite. Labour are currently in a bigger and more ****ed uo coalition with the Tories than anything Clegg ever did. The shittest opposition in history.
Its nothing to do with hiring for their skills - its political payback and contacts.
The reason I dislike clegg so much is he single-handedly destroyed the liberal democrats, gave us 5 years of a hard right tory party that did huge damage to the country He refuses to apologise or admit is was a mistake and still is utterly unrepentant about what he did. He is using his position as a former minster to make money by being a figleaf for Facebook
He is also a homophobic bigot which I cannot stand
Going to need some evidence there, a quick search here shows he supports gay rights
Is there something you are referring to that is not coming up
His statements publicly over a long period of time and his voting record. Both show him to be a homophobic bigot
complete refusal to say if he still considered homosexuality a sin which was his position a while back. Refused to say homosexuality and homosexual sex was Ok - he couldn't because it goes against his fundamentalist beliefs - and his belief in Homosexuality as a sin was a position he stated publicly before he became leader.
Anti abortion as well. voted continually agaisnt abortion ( as he did against such things as gay marriage) then during the critical votte was absent.
He actually stated after his resignation as leader that a part of the reason was this. He could not reconcile his fundamentalist Christian views with party policy - homosexuality and abortion are the two main issues he could not support.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11812/nick_clegg/sheffield%2C_hallam/divisions?policy=826
You are confusing him with Tim Farron.
Maybe check your facts before slinging accusations about.
You are right - I am. Mucho apologies. totally wrong. Still a nasty piece of work but you are right - he is not a homophobe.
Hi is awaiting your apology ...
What with his standing up for people opposing discrimination and all that he does seem like a total arse hole.
Actions speak louder than words. His actions as deputy PM lead to the impoverishment of huge numbers of people and huge damage to the country and economy. He has blood on his hands. - yes people died because of the benefit cuts he enabled. Yes peo0ple died because of the fake "austerity" he enabled
Iets just look at the Parties recent records:
Labour Party: 2nd Gulf War and Afghanistan,
Conservatives: Brexit
LibDems: Tuition fees
Looking at it now its obviously the LibDems have done the most damage.
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Lib dems - enabling 5 years of a hard right tory government that is responsible for the deaths of many hundreds of UK citizens. With tories you know what we are getting. voting lib dem was not intended to enable a hard right tory government which they did nothing to stop or slow.
Cleggs actions in this have killed his party - and quite rightly. I have voted lib dem in the past. I will never again.
Which is worst - the mugger you know is going to mug you ( a tory) or someone who befriends you and says they are on your side then beats you and steals your money
If the lib dems had not enabled that tory government we would not be in the mess we are in today.
If the lib dems had not enabled that tory government we would not be in the mess we are in today.
Nostrodamus speaks!
You have no idea what would have happened, we could have had an election within months.
It's obviously convenient to blame the lib fems for all that but the resulting election where the tories took power say more people wanted more tory which is strange really.
If you want a serious change people need to step away from some of the past, accept people can change, understand that in trying to do good bad things can happen. You also need the tories and Labour to split let the loons head off to UKIP and Labour to divide. Let people find who represents them and then make them work together.
Oh and work out why you get so angry.
The reason I dislike clegg so much is he single-handedly destroyed the liberal democrats,
I have voted lib dem in the past. I will never again.
Hmm yes the two statements are somewhat contradictory. 'Clegg killed the Lib Dems', and 'I won't vote for them again'. What killed the lib dems are "ex lib dem voters" morons who could not see what was actually happening and who fell for the Tory smear campaign that moved into action for the 2015 election. The worst crime you could accuse Clegg of is being too trusting when he got into bed with Cameron, naivety. He achieved more lib dem policy than any other leader, in fact all the other lib dem leaders put together.
You idiots need to learn what pragmatism is, because idealism leads you to May and Corbyn, opposite poles of ****tery that are busy ****ing up up the country.
What should have happened in 2015 is that the people outside of the nursery that TJ and his chums occupy would have increased the Lib Dem margin and we would have a decent sensible caring centrist progressive coalition govt who would be spending spare parliamentary time converting our democracy to PR (a major lib dem aim) but instead the low watt bulbs abandoned the best damn party the country had and here we are heading to hell in hand cart. .
Don't blame Clegg, blame the pricks who fell for the Tory sponsored Jedi mind trick and abandoned the Lib Dems and strengthened the Torys.
Blame Clegg 100%. He betrayed his principles, his voters and his party. Its the betrayal that makes me so angry and the refusal to apologise. Its far bigger than student loans
Its no Jedi mind trick - its disgust at his betrayal and his enabling of a deliberately cruel tory government that he did absolutely nothing to stop
and now he is seen as a safe pair of hands he is of to get the riches he was always after. Don't be fooled by him.
I hate the tories yes - infact I despise them but I loathe those who lie betray their principles as well.
Blame Clegg but continue to punish the party after he's left seems a bit odd.
Remember that we could have potentially had a red, yellow and green government but Labor said categorically no.
No we couldn't have done the podge
The arithmetic said not
The arithmetic would have worked, that's why it was being discussed before the lib dems went to the tories, otherwise they would have went straight to them and ignored labour. It was labour dragging their heels on concessions and when the lib dems went to the tories, the tories gave them concessions instantly.
Seeing how desperate the tories were, the lib dems could have got more but they didn't. They also could have stuck it out with labour a bit longer to see what they came up with but they didn't.
Labour, lib dems and the tories. What a poor lot to choose from, thankfully I don't need to.
Check the numbers. A rainbow coalition was not possible. Short of a majority even including the snp as the dup would not play ball
2010
Tory 306 seats
Labour 258
LD 57
SNP 6
DUP 8
PC 3
Green 1
Sinn Fein (not an option)
325 needed.
The worst crime you could accuse Clegg of is being too trusting when he got into bed with Cameron, naivety.
Nah. The coalition was a terrible mistake as plenty were pointing out at the time. Clegg was seduced by the smell of leather in the ministerial Jag.
Check the numbers. A rainbow coalition was not possible. Short of a majority even including the snp as the dup would not play ball
I think you need to check the numbers.
Coalition talks began immediately between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats, and lasted for five days. There was an aborted attempt to put together a Labour/Liberal Democrat coalition (although other smaller parties would have been required to make up the ten seats they lacked for a majority).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010
It wouldn't have been easy, no, but it was certainly possible and they barely even tried.
I think this thread tells us all we need to know about his "legacy".
Almost as bad as Cameron's, but on a smaller scale obvs.
I'm sure FB will benefit from having such a man of principle on board.
It wouldn’t have been easy, no, but it was certainly possible and they barely even tried.
And the odds on it surviving? With everyone bar the DUP and tories it was 325 so majority of 1 (missing the sf calc) nearly unworkable. The biggest political message at the time was Labour lost. Propping up a party on the slide and at war would have been a bigger mistake.
But still keep bashing them and keep not voting for them It's worked really well so far.
The worst crime you could accuse Clegg of is being too trusting when he got into bed with Cameron, naivety.
Nope. He can be accused of being an incompetent idiot or possibly one who was blinded by the trappings of power. Either way far more than naivety.
He is also someone who specifically chose to backtrack on something he made a clear pledge on. It really wouldnt have been hard for him to negotiate a abstain policy for that. Instead he, apparently, deliberately decided to try and disillusion a block of new voters. Whilst, sadly, party manifestos are treated as completely optional to keep to (I do think we need some mechanism to enforce them, something like dont enact x in couple of years then its election time although coming up with a working model would obviously be hard) he signed his name on something nice and simple. To backtrack on that was beyond poor especially given it was for first time voters. How to disillusion people about democracy in one easy lesson.
He achieved more lib dem policy than any other leader, in fact all the other lib dem leaders put together.
and wrecked the party. Dont forget that minor detail.
You idiots need to learn what pragmatism is, because idealism leads you to May and Corbyn, opposite poles of ****tery that are busy **** up up the country.
Ah yes pragmatism. Its a curious word since I look in the dictionary and see one meaning but whenever I see it applied to politics its generally by someone with superiority complex who then sits around whining when the average voter gets ****ed off when their votes are taken for counted and instead the parties bend over to big donors in exchange for a few quid to chase some swing voters.
Dont forget it was Camerons moronic pragmatism which led directly to the vote and prior to that Blairs habit of ignoring traditional labour voters in the cause of whatever gets power justifies the means which led to lots of pissed off people looking for alternatives.
Its curious you dont count May in the pragmatic block. Outside of her authoritarian tendencies she pretty much embodies pragmatism bending towards whatever is the greatest risk at the time to keep power.
sensible caring centrist
Could have guess you were a "centrist". The country really isnt "centrist" which as far as I can tell is normally used by a bunch of middle class types who parasite off either Labour or tory party until the left or right wing people notice and desert the party and look for an alternative.
Also centrists can rarely be described as "sensible" since every example I have come across has the fatal flaw that they fail to realise they are extremely ideological and simply accuse everyone else of having that problem.
This crap about "PR". Why should I have voted for Clegg if I believed in PR given that idiot set back the case by years thanks to his utter incompetence?
No it was not possible at all. The SNP will not enter coalition with anyone - thats a firm position. so it would have been a minority labour and lib dem government with a supply and confidence deal with the SNP - completely unworkable. The DUP would never get onside with labour. SNP would have nothing to do with DUP
the correct decision for the lib dems would have been either to force another GE or a supply and confidence deal with the tories. the rainbow coalition was a non starter
The other thing with Clegg is he is classic privated educated Oxbridge toff. Of course he feels more comfortable with Cameron than with other politicians as he is one of Camerons type
I would disagree with that. Cameron's type is the same as Boris Johnson's type: Bullingdon. Clegg seems to be at least one step down from that. At least.
The other thing with Clegg is he is classic privated educated Oxbridge toff. Of course he feels more comfortable with Cameron than with other politicians as he is one of Camerons type
Which type are you then TJAGAIN?
I would disagree with that. Cameron’s type is the same as Boris Johnson’s type: Bullingdon. Clegg seems to be at least one step down from that. At least.
The key entry requirement of the Bullingdon when I was at Oxford was wealth, rather than poshness. I was one year ahead of Cameron. Their regalia was rumoured to cost if my recollection is correct north of £1,000 and £2,000 rings a bell. To put that into context, at the same time, the starting salary at one of the big accounting firms for a graduate trainee was £6,750.
That doesn't mean to say Cameron isn't posh, an acquaintance of mine from junior School, who I regarded as pretty posh, who was a contemporary of Cameron's at senior school (and Oxford) is on the record as saying Cameron is very posh in a way Johnson isn't.
From a political perspective, I would say Cameron comes from the more socially conservative tradition found in the shires, whilst Osborne and Clegg come from much more liberal metropolitan/international backgrounds and have more in common (although there are also large differences). Johnson also comes from a similar background to Clegg and Osborne, but he has always been an opportunist and that was evident as far back as his election campaign for the Union Presidency at Oxford.
Hang on though, what does that and Nick Clegg's recent appointment to Facebook have to do with all of this?
Brian Crozier = Founder member of Shield Committee and ‘the 61’, Instrumental in Thatcher’s rise to power, European Head of Le Cercle, which has several ties to child abuse networks the world over.
Julian Lewis = Named by Crozier as the most prominent UK player in ‘the 61’ the international private intelligence network set up by Crozier in collaboration with other Le Cercle Members. Played key role in original cover up of North Wales Child abuse and trafficking.
Wholly relevant given the origins of Nick Clegg’s political career under Leon Brittan, who despite extensive propaganda to the contrary was never cleared of child abuse… Like Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Greville Janner, he was never charged, but that’s a whole different kettle of fish.
The people who have ‘cleared’ Leon Brittan are of the same ilk as Crozier… after all, like many journalists with ties to the intelligence agencies, Crozier was still welcomed to the fold even after Forum World Features was exposed as a CIA propaganda operation.
Also in the United States there was strong circumstantial, if not conclusive, evidence that he helped fund the clandestine activities of Brian Crozier, an anti-communist campaigner with connections to the British and US intelligence services. Crozier had a long history of anti-communist activism, including running a CIA-sponsored operation called Forum World Features, which syndicated right-wing articles to newspapers. In his autobiography, Crozier acknowledged his financial backers, including “Rupert,” subsequently identified as Murdoch by one of Crozier’s associates. In December 1990, the Guardian reported that Crozier’s publishing business, Sherwood Press, was bailed out by News International, Murdoch’s British holding company. News took a half-stake in the business and assumed liability for its debts, then said to total £90,000.
‘the link between the security services and the whip’s offices in parliament’
Well, that goes some way to explaining why Special Branch intervene when VIP abuse is reported…
May also give us some background why Julian Lewis, known to have played an active role in covering up abuse in North Wales, was elevated to the Privy Council, under the supervision of Nick Clegg… who is now being knighted for his services.
Final note for now… both Clegg and Cameron were mentored by members of the Cambridge Mafia: Clegg by Leon Brittan and Cameron by Norman Lamont (who like Crozier, was also European head of Le Cercle)
JHJ, I salute you, you never disappoint!
Hard to take someone who posts repeated inaccuracies about NC's supposed bigotry and homophobia seriously. Labour found a pretty fine representative in Jared O'Mara to unseat him didn't they?
Of course I wish Clegg had never got into bed with the Tories or capitulated on tuition fees but I would prefer a coalition government containing the Lib Dems than the current mob every day of the week.