[Closed] Nick Clegg knighthood - aka pin the tail on the donkey ?

I quite like Nick Clegg..
As they go.. a decent politician and did a reasonable job of reining in the Tories.
What's not to like?

Nothing like getting a knighthood for just doing the job you are paid for ....
Can we all have one?

Shouldn't get a knighthood… but… in coalition the LibDems did work in the interest of the whole country… and paid a predictably high price for working with and moderating the Conservatives… DUP don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

Another face in the trough. Great.

[i]"a decent politician and did a reasonable job of reining in the Tories.
What's not to like?"[/i]

- making a rubbish bargain with the conservatives (compare the DUPs better one)
- lying about his own politic position to get votes (student loans)
- destroying his party
- causing nearly all the liberal mps to loose their jobs
- reducing opposition to the conservatives long term (many voters will vote tory rather than labor given there is no point at all in voting for the utterly diminished liberal party for the next decade)
- making the conservatives appear 'softer' than reality thereby helping them get a 2nd term.

Quite a lot not to like really.

Its really sad to see the liberal party so flushed down the pan, by a man happy to get rewarded for doing so, and the serious political voting options for the population decreased in the process.

I used to quite like Clegg too by the way, but he started modelling himself on Blair - sell out anything happily to gain personal power.

In 2010 his leadership was a major reason we got a stable government and managed to weather the financial crisis as well as we did.

For this he had to give up his party's purity of opposition, make difficult compromises and as a result he was utterly and predictably shafted.

He's not perfect by a long stretch but I do feel that he will be judged much more kindly by history than he is now.

Can anyone honestly say the country has been better run since the 2015 election than is was when Clegg and co were in the cabinet?

Yay!
I’d support him. Well deserved IMO.

There’s more backbone in him than all the lying Tory Pig beastiality fornicators put together.

[i]Can anyone honestly say the country has been better run since the 2015 election than is was when Clegg and co were in the cabinet? [/i]

It would have been better run had Clegg not struck such a grovelling deal with the conservatives. The liberals did not even get the proportional voting option they favored on to the ballot, yet alone get it into legislation, which was the main thing they sold out the country for.

As I said, not a fan of the DUP generally, but much respect for strength they have shown in getting what their party and their voters want, rather than sucking up, grovelling in gratefulness and sinking their own ship in the process.

The DUP have shown neither strength nor integrity. They've shown a reasonable level of political acumen in taking advantage of a situation that fell in their laps when the Tories made a **** of the election.

He's not perfect by a long stretch but I do feel that he will be judged much more kindly by history than he is now.

Definitely, but politicians that served at high ministerial level always get offered knighthoods ect, not sure why it should be different for Clegg. Come the day of the revolution this honours thing will be in the bin anyway 😉

In 2010 his leadership was a major reason we got a stable government and managed to weather the financial crisis as well as we did.

Given that Gordi saved the whole world singlehandedly during the actual crisis, he must be more miffed than Bliar

If he'd still been in power we'd have been tied to the yoke of Europe forever. Or something. It's Boxing Day, have another mince pie and sherry, walk the dogs or go for a bike ride.

Exactly, 49% of the population voted to stay in the EU.

Have a mince pie, or cake or ride your bike.

He neither reigned the tories in or did any good at all. vile man who sold his political principles for a ministerial car.

They could have done a supply and confidence deal like the DUP and wouldn't have had to do all the unpalatable things they ended up doing like selling off the post office

He deserves to be slated and I am sure history will.

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The DUP and “integrity” do not belong together in ANY world

Lying deceptive manipulative politicians of the worst kind - if they had any integrity they would be working to form a government for their own country rather than hanging on the coat tails of the lying deceptive manipulative politicians of the UK

To be honest it was the first sign that the electorate couldn’t be trusted to look beyond their own fat wallets. Great idea, shaft the lib dems who provided the moderation and vote for the self serving shites interested in only lining their own pockets and those of their friends. NHS, academies, pigs to the trough.

Sometimes you have to look a little deeper behind the scenes to see what's really going on...

For starters, let's not forget it was Leon Brittan who started Nick Clegg on his career ladder in politics.

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Worth noting at this stage [url= https://www.spectator.co.uk/2010/04/what-did-nick-clegg-get-up-to-at-cambridge/ ]Clegg's time at Cambridge[/url]:

The walls of the Union Society groaned with photographs of then Tory ministers in their younger days: Kenneth Clarke, Norman Lamont, Michael Howard and Nick Clegg’s sometime mentor Leon Brittan. Yet only one Cambridge Tory of my time has made it into parliament: Fulham MP Greg Hands, who is also credited for recruiting Nick Clegg into CUCA (although there is no evidence that Clegg ever attended a CUCA meeting)

So, Nick Clegg, Leon Brittan, Cambridge...

Remember our friend Nadhmi Auchi?

Close associate of Labour's Keith Vaz, Tory Norman Lamont and Lib-Dem David Steel (who's been implicated in child abuse at Dolphin Square)

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I notice mention of the 2008 financial crash; BNP Paribas was the 1st domino that set the stack tumbling.

And who pray tell held among the largest investments in BNP Paribas?

Nadhmi Auchi of course, via General Mediterranean Holdings, which Keith Vaz, David Steel, and long time head of Le Cercle in Europe, Norman Lamont were all involved in.

One of the largest private shareholders in BNP Paribas, the French bank that holds more than $13 billion in Iraqi oil funds administered through the United Nation's oil-for-food program, is an Iraqi-born businessman who once helped to arm Iraq in the 1980's and brokered business deals with Saddam Hussein's government, according to public records and interviews.

Mr. Auchi, who declined to be interviewed for this article, holds his stake in BNP Paribas through a Luxembourg concern he controls called General Mediterranean Holdings. As recently as 2001, General Mediterranean Holdings described itself in an annual report as one of largest single shareholders in BNP Paribas.

I'll be back later with how all this relates to Clegg (and the knighthood)

I didn’t think much of him, I voted for him in 2010 only to find my vote ended up putting a CMD in No10 but... I’d have CMD back with Nick at his side in a heart beat over MayBot and the Brexteers, better the devil you know sometimes.

In fact I’d put CMD up with John Major on my list of decent Tories - it’s a list of two.

I'll be back later with how all this relates to Clegg (and the knighthood)

I very much doubt that. You'll be back later with more startling revelations that people attending the same college have met each other.

I don't think many people at the time realised what a good job he did in controlling the destructive, vindictive insanity of the current Government. Amazing what the Tories have achieved in the last two and a half years in destroying the few good things that remained about the UK.

Don't know what he's done to deserve a knighthood but then the whole thing is a load of outdated nonsense anyway.

I'm off for a mince pie and to ride my bike.

None of the words I'd use to describe him would get past the swear filter..

I'm over £18,000 further in debt thanks to his decision to pretend his manifesto commitment to remove tuition fee's didn't exist and instead support the tories bid to triple them. No other name in politics riles me up more than that spineless lackey who betrayed his party's principles for a spot in the cabinet.

While I used to support the lib dems, and tbh in the 2017 elections I agreed with a huge amount of their policies (1p per £1 tax to the NHS for example), there's no way I'll ever forgive them for providing me with a debt that I'll likely never pay off into my 50's. That decision, along with Corbyn, destroyed their position amongst younger voters.

who's been implicated in child abuse at Dolphin Square

Bullshit.

In November 2014 the Metropolitan Police Service opened an inquiry under Operation Fairbank into allegations that prominent MPs used the block of flats as a venue for child abuse.[8] One alleged abuse survivor (later found to be fabricating all the allegations), named only as "Nick", claimed that he was taken to Dolphin Square regularly as a young boy and abused by groups of men including politicians.[9] Exaro and the BBC News both carried interviews with Nick about the abuse he says he faced at Dolphin Square.[10][11]

The Metropolitan Police simultaneously launched a related murder inquiry under the name Operation Midland, in relation to Nick's claims that he saw an MP strangle a child to death.[12][13] On 21 March 2016, the Metropolitan Police confirmed that Operation Midland had been closed without any charges being brought.[14]

Labour MP John Mann told the Daily Mail that he handed evidence of "abuse parties" to the police in 1998 but that the case was quickly shelved on the orders of "those at the top."[15]

In 2016 it became clear that the allegations were in fact total fabrications by "Nick", and the Met Police were strongly criticised for being seen to legitimise the claims.[16]

Yes, it's only Wiki, but still. Makes you think...

Worst type of career politician

Lazy, lies without conscience, full of himself, will be enjoying a publicly funded pension that others can only dream of

The honours system needs complete reform, it is one of the things that perpetuates the class system and the heirarchies of the establishment and their flunkies

who's been implicated in child abuse at Dolphin Square

Bullshit.

So, when are you gonna tell us more about all the people you've met in the intelligence community then Flashy?

Surely you'd know that the allegations relating to David Steel were made long before Nick came on the scene.

But thankfully, after extensive police investigations we can rest assured that there was no organised Paedophilia involving the Paedophile Information Exchange, or active member Keith Harding, who would meet with Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Leon Brittan among others.

And of course, Edward Heath's involvement with the Paedophile Information Exchange adds no credence to organized networks...

All those times Savile, Smith and Janner and their chums were let off by the police was undoubtedly down to their charming personalities.

Well, wouldn't want to be accused of straying off topic, so, back to Nick Clegg and his time as Lord President of the Privy Council...

hatter - Member
In 2010 his leadership was a major reason we got a stable government and managed to weather the financial crisis as well as we did.

For this he had to give up his party's purity of opposition, make difficult compromises and as a result he was utterly and predictably shafted.

He's not perfect by a long stretch but I do feel that he will be judged much more kindly by history than he is now.

Can anyone honestly say the country has been better run since the 2015 election than is was when Clegg and co were in the cabinet?

Most definitely this - did his best for the country and paid the price?

Student loans? Show me any politician who hasn't broken a pledge when in power. And it created a system - however shit, and of course, pioneered by the Labour government - where fewer people on lower incomes will have to pay it back.

If we had more pragmatic politicians rather than idealistic ones, we might not get ****ed over so often.

Nothing like getting a knighthood for just doing the job you are paid for ....
Can we all have one?

Yes, if you can get someone to nominate you, you will be considered for it.

Probably one of the best politicians in recent times. I was VERY angry with the whole coalition over student fees and still am, but if you look at the Tories since 2015 I really wish the LibDems were back in Government moderating their more rabid policies. Danny Alexander and a few others in the 2010-2015 period were pretty good too.

Those of you are are apologists for him - could you please name one tory policy he stopped?

Once they went into full coalition and said they would be there for 5 years they gave away all power. No point did they stop one single thing - indeed they were forced to sell off the mail for half price.

They could have acted as a brake by doing " supply and confidence"

Clegg was simply a tory in the wrong party.

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would have been better run had Clegg not struck such a grovelling deal with the conservatives.

People seem to have forgotten what a precarious state the country felt it was in in 2010 and how much it was felt that we needed a stable government to see through the financial crisis.

Whilst other Lib Dems were (rightfully) wary of coalition, Clegg felt that a confidence an supply arrangement would not deliver the government that the country wanted, the utter cluster coitus we're currently being subjected to seems to have vindicated him somewhat.

As for what they actually achieved in coalition....

https://whatthehellhavethelibdemsdone.com/

People seem to have forgotten what a precarious state the country felt it was in in 2010 and how much it was felt that we needed a stable government to see through the financial crisis.

Hatter - all small stuff. Nothing to compare with enabling a destructive right wing government

....which had just won an election .

If you think Cameron should never have been prime minister have a word with a people who voted for him.

I was not one of them.

Also I would hardly call getting equal marriage past the Tory back benches a 'minor thing'

Ah, the totally and utterly meaningless Honours bollocks. Really not worth gettng stressed about. Although this does seem to take it a whole new level of stupidity.

Those of you are are apologists for him - could you please name one tory policy he stopped?

Read his book:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B019CGXQPI/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514313752&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=nick+clegg+politics+between+the+extremes

So, under Nick Clegg, in his role as Lord President of Her Majesty's Privy Council:

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[url= https://www.gov.uk/government/news/privy-council-appointments-march-2015 ]Dr Julian Lewis was sworn in to the Privy Council...[/url]

Now, Julian Lewis has a long and murky role in dirty tricks, having been Brian Crozier's key UK operative in 'the 61'

(in a strange twist, Crozier and Lewis were 1st introduced by none other than Norris McWhirter, who played a surprising role in getting Thatcher elected in the 1st place)

Norris McWhirter winning our hearts and minds:

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Norris McWhirter giving Farage a run for his money back in the day as regards immigrunts and the like with the NAFF (Freedom Association), after playing a role in setting up the Shield Committee, with Crozier:

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Back to Julian Lewis:

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In 1976, with secret funding from The Freedom Association, he posed as a Labour Party moderate and briefly won control of Newham North East Constituency Labour Party, in an eventually unsuccessful attempt to reverse the deselection of the sitting MP, Reg Prentice, and in order to highlight Militant Tendency entryism in the Labour Party. Prentice himself later joined the Conservatives.

But what does any of this have to do with David Steel, Keith Vaz, Norman Lamont, Child Abuse, Arms Deals and Le Cercle's Nadhmi Auchi?

Or indeed Nick Clegg's mentor; Leon Brittan

Probably one of the best politicians in recent times. I was VERY angry with the whole coalition over student fees and still am, but if you look at the Tories since 2015 I really wish the LibDems were back in Government moderating their more rabid policies. Danny Alexander and a few others in the 2010-2015 period were pretty good too

Damn sussed. Post your credit card details (inc CVC) and expiry and I will credit your card with the requisite £5.
In fact as it's Xmas. Why not £500 (plus VAT!). Don't forget that CVC number, oh and the name on the card.
(I have a sons mammoth student debt to clear, so embezzlement is ok isn't it?).

True story: I did get Dave Cameron into a media hotspot in 2011. He visited where I worked on one of those touring the regions trips. I asked him on camera about betraying a generation with the hike in student fees. The idiot wen off on some pre prepared script about the BME intake at Oxbridge (and got his facts wrong). Was on the 10 o clock news! Quite proud of that one, but I think my MD was hoping for a more neutral press story out of the visit!

He was well and truly played by the Tories like a rank political amateur.

This

I don't know where the idea comes from that the coalition would somehow have been pushing through vast amounts of cherished LibDem policies. Seems silly to give Nick Clegg a hard time for doing something that would have been impossible whoever had had his job.

It's hilarious that all the hand-wringing lefties who kicked out lib dems because of their "principles" in 2015 ushered in a Tory government and Brexit.

But what does any of this have to do with David Steel, Keith Vaz, Norman Lamont, Child Abuse, Arms Deals and Le Cercle's Nadhmi Auchi?

Or indeed Nick Clegg's mentor; Leon Brittan

What indeed? Why don't you tell us? Is it a secret?

What does any of this have to do with the post topic?

JHJ, people meet each other all the time. This isn't proof of [i]anything.[/i]
I've met Tom Baker, that doesn't make me a ****ing Time Lord.

With my moderator hat on for a minute:
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If you have any FACTS to present then please present them. If you make another rambling bollocks post about completely off-topic and unrelated people who are evidently guilty of "something" on the strength of little more than the fact that they were once photographed in the same room together, I'm going to give you a week off. It's disruptive.
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I'll be back later with how all this relates to Clegg (and the knighthood)

Off you go then, still waiting for that one.

“Reigning in the Tories” is a Lib Dem myth. Clegg was an absolute and total disaster as a Leader hence their 2015 election performance. He dscribed AV as a “grubby little compromise” then sold the Lib Dem’s soul for a referendum on it. His tuition fees U-Turn was a catastrophe. I was a Lib Demvoter and donor until he produced that performance.

A Knighthood for spectacular failure, not as bad as Osbourne mind.

Jive Leon Brittan was cleared of all allegations, every single one. The whole police handling of those fabricated and politically motivated allegations was a total disgrace.

Politicians & knighthoods? Don't make me laugh. Theyr'e all a bunch of self centred ****s & I don't trust any of them to do anything apart from line their own pockets, the lot of them.

Front line public servants deserve all the praise, & not the ****ing managers either. Staff nurses, paramedics, cops, firefighters, HMPS staff, (coastguard & mountain rescue volunteers too) Any one of those are worth more praise than & sodding MP.

jambalaya - Member
“Reigning in the Tories” is a Lib Dem myth. Clegg was an absolute and total disaster as a Leader hence their 2015 election

He’s not a Lying Pig Face ****er though is he.. 😆

I don't know where the idea comes from that the coalition would somehow have been pushing through vast amounts of cherished LibDem policies. Seems silly to give Nick Clegg a hard time for doing something that would have been impossible whoever had had his job.

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So everyone else can do conjecture and rambling bollocks, but since I do my best to deal in FACTS, then I get the short straw...

sounds fair.

Brian Crozier = Founder member of Shield Committee and 'the 61', Instrumental in Thatcher's rise to power, European Head of Le Cercle, which has several ties to child abuse networks the world over.

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Julian Lewis = Named by Crozier as the most prominent UK player in 'the 61' the international private intelligence network set up by Crozier in collaboration with other Le Cercle Members. Played key role in original cover up of North Wales Child abuse and trafficking.

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Wholly relevant given the origins of Nick Clegg's political career under Leon Brittan, who despite extensive propaganda to the contrary was never cleared of child abuse... Like Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Greville Janner, he was never charged, but that's a whole different kettle of fish.

The people who have 'cleared' Leon Brittan are of the same ilk as Crozier... after all, like many journalists with ties to the intelligence agencies, Crozier was still welcomed to the fold even after Forum World Features was exposed as a CIA propaganda operation.

[url= http://insidestory.org.au/rupert-and-the-right-to-know/ ]Speaking of propaganda, Crozier was also closely associated with Rupert Murdoch, to the extent that Murdoch bailed out Crozier's publishing company, Sherwood Press[/url].

Also in the United States there was strong circumstantial, if not conclusive, evidence that he helped fund the clandestine activities of Brian Crozier, an anti-communist campaigner with connections to the British and US intelligence services. Crozier had a long history of anti-communist activism, including running a CIA-sponsored operation called Forum World Features, which syndicated right-wing articles to newspapers. [b]In his autobiography, Crozier acknowledged his financial backers, including “Rupert,” subsequently identified as Murdoch by one of Crozier’s associates. In December 1990, the Guardian reported that Crozier’s publishing business, Sherwood Press, was bailed out by News International, Murdoch’s British holding company. News took a half-stake in the business and assumed liability for its debts, then said to total £90,000.[/b]

[url= https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/928216051749474304 ]Murdoch, like many media moguls, has been known to publish propaganda on behalf of the intelligence services[/url],

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'the link between the security services and the whip's offices in parliament'

Well, that goes some way to explaining why Special Branch intervene when VIP abuse is reported...

May also give us some background why Julian Lewis, known to have played an active role in covering up abuse in North Wales, was elevated to the Privy Council, under the supervision of Nick Clegg... who is now being knighted for his services.

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Final note for now... both Clegg and Cameron were mentored by members of the Cambridge Mafia: Clegg by Leon Brittan and Cameron by Norman Lamont (who like Crozier, was also European head of Le Cercle)

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So everyone else can do conjecture and rambling bollocks, but since I do my best to deal in FACTS, then I get the short straw...

sounds fair.

He does have a point, Cougar. Apart from yelling at jhj, it's not as if you've exactly added anything of substance to the thread yourself, is it?

"‘Sir’ Nick Clegg? A true sign of how Britain’s elite rewards failure "

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/28/knighthood-nick-clegg-george-osborne-britain-elite

There are supposedly petitions against his knighthood on the internet.

"[i]The organisers of the honours list said more time was needed to gather and judge nominations of people praised for their responses to this year’s biggest tragedies.[/i]"

New Year Honours list: Heroes of Grenfell Tower, Manchester Arena and London Bridge not included - But Conservative MPs who backed Brexit are awarded knighthoods in ‘doled out favours’
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/new-years-honours-list-grenfell-tower-fire-heroes-manchester-terror-attack-london-a8133811.html

It's hilarious that all the hand-wringing lefties who kicked out lib dems because of their "principles" in 2015 ushered in a Tory government and Brexit.

I think you'll find a decent amount of them just went back to their original affiliation after tactically voting for the Lib Dems the time before.

While it's easier to label someone as a hero or a villain or a self interested scumbag, the truth is always going to be more complicated than that.

I reckon that Nick Clegg did some things well and some things badly. He holds some views that I agree with and others with which I disagree. I also suspect that circumstances pushed him into situations from which it would have been difficult to come out unscathed.

The LibDems and the Lib/SDP Alliance before them have been calling for PR for as long as I've been aware of politics. Coalitions seem to be a fundamental part of the politics of every country that has a PR system.

When the first hung parliament in a very long time happened in the UK, especially as others have said in the economic circumstances of 2010, it would have been seen as very hypocritical for the greatest champions of PR not to attempt to help form a coalition government. I can imagine that as the results came in on election night Nick Clegg quickly worked out what was in store and realised the LibDems were in a no-win situation. They'd have to go into coalition with the Conservatives and they'd be punished heavily for it. Not doing so would have been portrayed as a betrayal of one of the party's most core principles.

That said, the LibDems were completely outplayed by the Conservatives when it came to the coalition negotiations and Nick Clegg has to take a large portion of the blame for that. They seemed to come away with one significant policy, some minor policies, the AV referendum and some vague promises for enquiries and reports into some other things they were after.

Raising the income tax allowance was probably a significant thing but they never got the credit for it.

The only good thing that came from the joke of an AV referendum was that it meant that the rules were better for future referenda, but only because it itself was handled so badly.

Attempts to reform the House of Lords died a miserable death at the hands of politics. The Tories are much better at that game than the LibDems.

Up against all that, the LibDems let the Tories get away with lots of stuff. Like I say, they were outplayed badly during the coalition negotiations. Nick Clegg did not help by taking the idea of joint cabinet responsibility too seriously. I'm sure there were many times where he fought against the extreme positions of the Conservatives, but in public the government largely presented a unified front and so the LibDems took at least as much flak as the Tories. Plus tuition fees. At the very least Clegg acknowledged the bad blood that caused far too late and really he should have got a right for LibDems to at least abstain in that vote in the coalition agreement.

Personally one thing Nick Clegg did for me is that I learned about the classical liberal/social democratic fault line that exists in the LibDems. The "wishy washy liberal" stereotype appears to be much more about the latter part of the party than the orange book liberal part of which Nick Clegg was a member. In whole I think the 2010 LibeDem voters were much more in favour of the Charlie Kennedy brand of social democratic liberalism and that is the reason so many were so surprised that Nick Clegg was so willing to do a deal with the Conservatives and seemed so comfortable in the company of people like Cameron and Osbourne.

Finally, I don't really know whether he deserves a gong or not. It may just indicate that there are people in Westminster who reckon he'd still be useful to have around there even if he isn't an MP any more. Or it could be part of the general habit that almost anyone who gets to the front bench will eventually be awarded one if they want it. In the coming years I suspect that pretty much any major politician who manages to get through their career without an expenses or sex scandal will end up with a knighthood or similar.

Stole this off twitter:

Quick reminder that today Chris Chope MP, who steered through Poll Tax, called for minimum wage to be abolished, voted against same sex marriage and the Turing pardon, and opposed domestic violence legislation was awarded a knighthood. But sure, carry on moaning about Nick Clegg.

Front line public servants deserve all the praise, & not the **** managers either. Staff nurses, paramedics, cops, firefighters

I’m sure that thought will make the additional shifts my wife covered over Christmas seem so much more bearable. You know, one of those clinical managers who is no good but who by stepping into the front-line still made sure essential, quality hands on care was provided to patients.

There are good managers and bad managers, good front-line staff and bad. But you know that already egf. You don’t have a career like yours without realising there are good apples and bad apples everywhere.

Leon Brittan, who despite extensive propaganda to the contrary was never cleared of child abuse

When were you cleared of abusing children jivehoneyjive?

Good on your Mrs Jamj, if she's a half decent manager who's 'come up through the ranks' (which she must have by the roll she did, as you say) then she deserves more praise than ANY politician. In HMPS & in my experience there are lots more crap managers than uniformed staff but the crap managers always seem to get to get sidestepped into a non front line roll & get a bloody pay rise even after theyv'e left somewhere in turmoil!

Plus, I just hate politicians, can't be trusted IMO.

this off twitter:

Quick reminder that today Chris Chope MP, who steered through Poll Tax, called for minimum wage to be abolished, voted against same sex marriage and the Turing pardon, and opposed domestic violence legislation was awarded a knighthood. But sure, carry on moaning about Nick Clegg.

Are you incapable of holding two thoughts at the same time?

I think the point here is Nick Clegg is shot down for trying to make the best of a situation and go forwards while the other guy is a total arse hole and is getting away with a free ride.

Clegg's motivations are open to debate but that's not really the point. The point is that we expect the Tories to be arseholes, which is why so many were disappointed when the Dems turned out to be little different.

This:

Nothing like getting a knighthood for just doing the job you are paid for ....
Can we all have one?

I think the NY Honours list is a joke, I’ve seen people I’ve worked getting honours for turning up to work. Pop stars/Meeja darlings who aren’t doing their tours for the love of the country or any altruistic purpose. And quite frankly an MP, whose job it is actually to work for the country...... I guess it makes others look good for nominating them-all self back patting.

crap managers always seem to get to get sidestepped into a non front line roll & get a bloody pay rise even after theyv'e left somewhere in turmoil!

That happens everywhere...

The plot thickens...

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So is Sir Nick a Charley Chester or not

Nick Clegg appointed as Facebook's head of global affairs and communications in the wake of the Cambridge Analytica scandal.

To be expected I suppose...

Nick Clegg in Ex-Senior Cabinet Minister joins the Board of a Large Multi-National shocker.

Completely expected.

Clegg was always a tory and this is a particularly tory move.  disguising it as something good when its all about the money and power for him

disguising it as something good when its all about the money and power for him

And your evidence for this is?

I think he was one of the more principled* and rational politicians and who knows, he might be able to influence FB for the better in a small way (given MZ has nearly all the share voting rights).

* and yes I am well aware of the graduate loan thing but more importantly aware that politics is 99% compromise.

His entry into coalition was all about money and power  and this is his payoff.

Never a principled politician.  would do anything for a sniff of a ministerial limo.

An utter shit and a hypocrit

would do anything for a sniff of a ministerial limo.

How many wouldn't?

The lib dems USP was they were principled.  He sold his principles for a sniff of a ministerial car and caused so much damage to the country as a result.  I despise the man.  Hypocrisy is the worst of sins in a politician

I wondered who would be put to start the bashing. Good on him clearly an intelligent and clever guy. Probably understood more about politics than most in here and set about to try and move the country forward in a good way.

Good on him clearly an intelligent and clever guy. Probably understood more about politics than most in here

Understatement of the year...

I dunno, my sense of him is that he was one of the good guys and probably did a lot to temper Cameron’s Tory government. I’m a bit sad he’s given up on UK politics, just when we need a credible centre left opposition.

Just remember he chose tory over labour.

Just remember he chose tory over labour

You know what I said about understanding politics...

He had a choice to make, Labour were finished after years in power people did not back them but gave enough votes to those not in power, they were still tainted by Blair and the brown Blair factions were still at war. Its not a simple binary choice and certainly the UK should look more carefully about proper coalition government and how it can work.

What shows most here is the one and only chance people gave the lib dems which then gives them a clear conscience to vote for one of 2 parties who have lied, broken most promises on more occasions than any other.

There was no choice to go with labour.  the arithmetic did not work.  What he should have done is a supply and confidence deal so he could have wielded veto power as the DUP have shown.  As it was he allowed the tories to make him a patsy and allowed them to get away with whatever they want.  Its a complete myth he stopped the tories worst excesses.  He actually enabled them by his spinelessness.

I actually believe he is a tory thru and thru and did what he did to get the lucrative contracts as he has done now.  If he really had principles and cared about the UK then he wouldn't have run away from politics to buysi8ness as soon as he had a big enough name to get the luctractive contracts.

I used to vote lib dem.  I will never again until they face up to the awful legacy their spineless support of the tories left the country.

I actually believe he is a tory thru and thru and did what he did to get the lucrative contracts as he has done now.

I'm sure he values your opinion,

If he really had principles and cared about the UK then he wouldn’t have run away from politics to buysi8ness as soon as he had a big enough name to get the luctractive contracts.

Up until now what big business has he worked in?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Clegg#Career_after_Parliament

Radio Show and podcasts since he lost his seat? After the 2015 election he stayed in politics and would probably still be there if May had not have gambled. So I have to say TJ it appears you are letting your anger and hate get the better of you and ignoring the facts.

Maybe you just want to be on his podcast.

https://audioboom.com/channel/nickclegg

I used to vote lib dem.  I will never again until they face up to the awful legacy their spineless support of the tories left the country.

So instead who do you vote for?

The LIbDems must be watching the DUP hold the Tory feet to the fire and think 'shit...we could screwed them for soooooo much more'.