[Closed] NHS Reforms defeated in House of Lords - What does that mean?

Right - so the concept of patient choice is fatally flawed then as allowing choice would mean those vulnerable people get the stuff thats left once others get their choice.

Unless of course you believe its right the powerful get the best f everything.

Now I really must leave the thread

teamhurtmore, I know bugger all about economics, and despite my stint in the military, I know bugger all about military matters.

I know how to swing a hammer though.

Introduce competition and you remove the cooperation and drive down standards

Really?
Healthcare under the NHS monoply produces wildly varying degrees of success depending on where you're treated and it's not all down to money.
I wouldn't trust the Tories with anything let alone this bill but I think we all agree that healthcare in the UK needs to be improved. The French have the best system ( according to Wiki and WHO)and spend more. They have choice for how/where they are treated and people with dementia etc are covered AKAIK and it's an insurance based system with the private sector hevaily involved. Shouldn't we working towards a similar/better model even if it may cost more-and surely we can trim costs on bureauocracy and admin better than the French?
There are too many dogmatic views and vested interests on both sides of this debate.

Socially liberal, economically conservative rather than "right-wing" but yes definately pro market choice. A lot of people are you know.

well ernie answered that i think a survey of views of the NHS would show yours to be a minority view. I think socially liberal and economically conservative and pro competition is a pretty accurate short description of what it is to be right wing

Oh and thanks for the aggression and abuse. I'd take it seriously if I could understand what you are on about.

someone should invent a word for when someone on the internet accuses someone else of aggression and abuse whilst being abusive [ gently and in the loosest sense] towards the person they accuse. To be Mc booed perhaps?

It is obvious you dont understand me if you think I have been abusive. I suppose you think your caricature of public sector workers and "vested interest" is lovely , accurate and free from abuse and invective.

Sorry I did not mean to confuse you, I should have seen how it was so easily done, please forgive me 😉

Well, we can all to and fro on here as much as we like but what's that gonna achieve really? I'm not happy with the bill, think the motives behind it are quite sinister and scary. Never thought id say this (shudder) but that DM article makes interesting reading and only reinforces my opinions on the matter.
Only thing I can prob do about it is write to the relevant MPs and tell them I'm not happy with it..
Not that they'll prob care, I didn't vote for a Tory or Libdem candidate, and I'm probably in an area they don't really care about too much.. But I'm still gonna try.