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[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-leadership-theresa-may-overtakes-boris-johnson-in-poll-as-george-osborne-rules-himself-out-a7106796.html ]Mrs Ming the Merciless[/url]
All together now...
"Democracy is the winner" 😆
Has anyone thought to first stop and fix the holes in the buckets they're using to bail us out of this situation?
Its come to something when Theresa 'piss up in a brewery' May is looking like the decent option
despite her lurching from one calamity to the next, passports, border,control, missing deportation deadlines, alienating the police etc
shes no where near as scary as Fox, Davies or Gove
Liam Fox - urghhh
Jeremy Hunt is apparently considering having a go too 😯
Oh great - we can look forward to state sponsored homeopathy from Mr Hunt
Jeremy Hunt is apparently considering having a go too
Will he be standing on a "Save the NHS" platform??
Jesus, does the man have not an ounce of self-awareness?
Jesus, does the man have not an ounce of self-awareness?
he probably thinks the NHS is much better off after his reforms...
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About everything, really.
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Even Thatcher-lite in kitten heels is better than that pair of smug-faced buffoons. Why anyone would want the job of becoming the least popular prime minister in the history of the UK, presiding over a messy exit from Europe and a messy divorce from Scotland, most likely in the middle of a recession, is beyond me.
We need a politician that will sacrifice himself to do the right thing
So we get to stay in the EU [b]and[/b] get rid of Jeremy Rhyming-slang?
Win win!
What a terrifying line up. As per thecaptain anyone who stands up and says the referendum was only advisory and we won't be going ahead with article 50 will have my backing though.
As per thecaptain anyone who stands up and says the referendum was only advisory and we won't be going ahead with article 50 will have my backing though.
Ditto. I just cannot imagine Boris is quite as popular as he used to be with the Tory membership now.
Roy Hodgeson for PM.
Proven track record for getting out of Europe after an embarrassing debacle.
Why anyone would want the job of becoming the least popular prime minister in the history of the UK, presiding over a messy exit from Europe and a messy divorce from Scotland, most likely in the middle of a recession, is beyond me.
have you seen the PM's pension deal?
anyone who stands up and says the referendum was only advisory and we won't be going ahead with article 50 will have my backing though.
Possibly mine too. It's that important.
I seem to have a bit of an aversion to letting home secretaries becoming prime ministers. Boris Johnson or Theresa May for PM seems to be a "punch in the face or kick in the balls?" sort of question. Except that I won't have a say in answering it, as it'll be down to the Conservative party to choose.
After a referendum result which is partly being interpreted as a judgement against a remote political elite that has become too distant from those it represents, being seen so openly to ignore the will of the people as to refuse to invoke article 50 will be suicide for the entirety of Westminster. There would need to be some concrete evidence that public opinion had shifted significantly for that to fly.
My guess was a run off between May and Johnson. She is heavily eurosceptic but campaigned for Remain but did so in a very low key fashion, as such she could be the unifying candidate for the Tories
the referendum was only advisory and we won't be going ahead with article 50 will have my backing though.
Thats always been a danger, its one area where the Scottish Referendum was markedly superior as that was binding on a "best efforts" basis
[quote=ChrisL ]There would need to be some concrete evidence that public opinion had shifted significantly for that to fly.
You could always ask everybody to vote on it...
It's not all bad news - I think we need to get behind Boris!
Sorry for DM link...
http://www.****/news/article-3662597/Jamie-Oliver-vows-quit-Britain-Boris-Johnson-PM-Brexit.htmla
I bet the Tories wished they'd taken their chances with UKIP at the General Election now, I guess they can't believe how lucky they are that Labour are in a worse mess.
Oh wait, is that David Milliband I see riding over the horizon towards and Batley and Spen on his way to Westminster?
I've been through the 7 stages now with Brexit, I still thinks theres a chance it won't happen, not completely anyway - but either way I'm embaracing the chaos now.
Oddity in article is that it uses a pole of conservative voters to look at likely outcomes when the selection process is 2stage with 1st stage Tory mp's 2nd stage party members vote on final list presented to them
Pointless journalism substitute shit for pointless
Be interesting..
Itll be a Bullshit bingo bananza
Best deal for Britain will be the pledge, but will any admit they are aiming for free trade and know they ll have to accept freedom of movement too?
That's the reason Bojo doesn't want an election either he'd have to make it a pledge
Bojo doesn't want an election because that is the only thing that will get MPs to support him.
True dat
I think BoJo is refusing snap election because he is doing everything he can to avoid becoming PM without totally loosing face by not standing.
If there is a snap election, lib dems have said will stand to remain in Europe
Edit. Faster typing by thecaptain!
Oddity in article is that it uses a pole of conservative voters to look at likely outcomes when the selection process is 2stage with 1st stage Tory mp's 2nd stage party members vote on final list presented to them
MP's to return a choice of 2, the one they want and one the party members want less? I wonder if anyone will stand on a remain footing or a GE plan?
I don't think freedom of movement will be a problem, they'll just stop all benefits of any kind and there'll be no housing on offer to migrants. Theresa May will love implementing that one.
Yes it really is a shower on offer at the moment. Maybe we will get the massive child that is Boris as our comedy leader after all.
so next we need voting reform, anybody care to refine proportional representation till it works?
then we can have a general election.
Crabb (who), talking the talk
anyone who stands up and says the referendum was only advisory and we won't be going ahead with article 50 will have my backing though.
Me too.
There would need to be some concrete evidence that public opinion had shifted significantly for that to fly.
So.. who's written to their MP's and multiple cabinet members on this very subject so that they have that evidence on how far the public mood has shifted on this and to tell them in no uncertain terms them that the electoral ramifications of invoking article 50 are now clearly more severe than not invoking it.
*Puts hand up*
It's going to take millions of people speaking loud and clear to drag us back from the brink. We have a clear window of opportunity so if you really do care about this, get off your behinds and get on it!
Oops, looks like there's friction in the Bojo/Gove faction
http://news.sky.com/story/1719331/goves-wife-raises-johnson-leadership-concerns
Mrs Gove wears the pants. Who would have thought?
That doesn't show friction, it just shows the whole charade was about personal power for the main players.
It seems that no one in the Tory party actually likes Johnson, popular with the electorate hated by his MPs, tough for party leader
The whole of Westminster is just a pit full of snakes
It seems that no one in the Tory party actually likes Johnson, popular with the electorate hated by his MPs, tough for party leader
Given that the first call Boris will make is to either ignore the Referendum decision he campaigned for or turn the uk into a basket case being hated makes him an utter shoe in. He can be removed once he done whichever dirty deed is considered least worst.
Whomever it is, their tenure as PM will be short lived.
Tim Farron and the Lib Dems represent the best hope for the UK in the inevitable 2017 General Election.
Tim Farron and the Lib Dems represent the best hope for the UK in the inevitable 2017 General Election
LOL
LOL all you want. The Conservatives are in shambles and will be a split party at the next GE. Most of the labour voters voted to leave, so they aren't going to run for a GE under the premise of staying in Europe, and even if they did, without Scotland, they won't secure a majority. Tim Farron has a fantastic voting record, good policies, a lifetime in politics and is and always has been pro Europe.
Most of the labour voters voted to leave
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
63% voted remain actually. You been hanging out with jamba by any chance?
Crabb thinks that gays can be cured
Teresa May thinks that the European declaration of human rights is a bad thing and that freedom of speech can be curtailed if there is any semblance of threat to the UK
There is no one with remotely moderate views in the exec of the Tories at the moment 🙁
Tim Farron and the Lib Dems represent the best hope for the UK
To be fair old Clegg seems to have been remarkably on the ball in this whole thing:
[url= http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/nick-clegg-predicted-the-future-with-stunning-accuracy--b1e60RgHREb ]#MysticClegg[/url]
Like, from 52/48 one way to 52/48 the other? That kind of shift was happening daily in the week before the vote, if you believe the polls. Those who didn't vote in the referendum can still vote (either way) in a general election, if they decide it matters to them, so I wouldn't be surprise if some MPs will take the risk. A close vote on a 72% turnout isn't definitive as "the will of the people" because it clearly wasn't the will of a large number of them. (I did say [u]before[/u] the vote that a referendum wasn't the best way).There would need to be some concrete evidence that public opinion had shifted significantly for that to fly.
My mate recons he saw Teresa May smoking crack down an alley. Does stack up when you think about it... those bags under her eyes and that lunatic stare.
Liam Fox out in the first ballot and Stephen Crabb throws in the towel.
Ah, missed the other thread.
edhornby - MemberThere is no one with remotely moderate views in the exec of the Tories at the moment
Nevertheless, whoever is elected will be immediately declared to be the centre ground of british politics.