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I'm no fanboi, but my 3G is a great bit of kit so I'll probably get one (albeit that BBC link gives very litte detail).
iPad 2.0 bigger than fanbois expected
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24% thinner.
cripes, that practically makes the previous model useless i guess!
it may be thinner but it looks a whole lot taller and wider 😆
Os4 available on 21st June. That's what I'm interested in. Will now be able to run gps logging in the background which will make that much better.
Mine will be on order as soon as it's available. My 3g is starting to get tired...
Gizmodo have a nice guide - despite not being invited!
http://gizmodo.com/5557101/iphone-4-the-definitive-guide
Hmmm...
The gyro is an interesting addition - makes Augmented Reality apps a lot easier to implement than just using the accelerometers.
Better battery life would be good (if true).
And a nicer screen is always good.
Video Calling I'm really not arsed about though.
bit disappointed - I really wanted a 64gig phone (my iPOD touch 32 gig is nearly full), but they aren't doing one.
which means I need to decide if I want to wait another year, carrying 2 devices around with me before I get one (when inevitably the 64 gig version will arrive)
I'll see what the UK pricing is going to be and see then - 3GS will be 8gig only in the future so that is not an option
bit disappointed - I really wanted a 64gig phone
Me too. Looks like I'll wait till next year.
I'm disappointed in the 32Gb, but my 3G is full up, it's now eighteen months old and getting [i]very[/i] tired, and my contract was up last month, so it's upgrade time. The new features make it a no-brainer, stainless steel frame, high impact glass front and rear, 5Mp camera with iMovie editing and 720p video, iBooks with integrated PDF reading from attachments, much better battery life, so no more external battery pack, same size screen with four times the pixel count, A4 processor...it's pretty much got everything I could want. As my current phone is in constant use, the tougher exterior is going to make a big difference.
Ive only just picked up a 3gs, will see what the new OS gives me before i even think of upgrading, might get one christmas time maybe
LMT: plenty of details about the new OS online:
http://gizmodo.com/5512635/iphone-os-40-the-best-new-features
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-20006959-233.html
quote from BBC
The device will go on sale on 24 June. The US price for the 32GB model is $299 (£206) and $199 (£137) for the 16GB model. Apple said prices might be affected by contract conditions.
fat chance of that sort of pricing over here though is there - as usual we'll pay extortionate amounts for it
It does look smart and will sell by the bucketload.
Expect this new IPhone to cost more than all the others when new I would say at least £650 for the 32 GB.
So how exactly does a US price of $299 translate as £650? Or are you perhaps getting the iPhone and iPad mixed up? Easy mistake to make, after all, they both start with 'i'.
And for those who think it ought to run Flash, perhaps you should read this:
"Adobe late Friday warned that attackers are exploiting a critical vulnerability in the company's most widely-used software: Flash Player and Adobe Reader," Gregg Keizer reports for Computerworld."The zero-day vulnerability is reminiscent of one Adobe disclosed and patched in July 2009, and comes just days after the company's head of security admitted hackers have its software in their crosshairs," Keizer reports.
"Adobe said that the bug affects Flash Player 10.0.45.2, the most up-to-date version of the popular media player, as well as older editions on Windows, Macintosh, Linux and Solaris," Keizer reports. "Also vulnerable: PDF viewer Adobe Reader 9.x and PDF creation software Adobe Acrobat 9.x on Windows, Macintosh and Unix."
"Hackers are already exploiting the flaw. 'There are reports that this vulnerability is being actively exploited in the wild against Flash Player, Reader and Acrobat,' the company said in a security advisory issued around 3:30 p.m. PT Friday," Keizer reports.
"Danish bug tracker Secunia rated the threat as 'extremely critical,' the highest ranking in its five-step scoring system. The U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT), an arm of the federal Department of Homeland Security, also posted a warning of the vulnerability," Keizer reports. "Attackers exploiting the flaw may be able to hijack the targeted computer, Adobe acknowledged."
ffs no 64gb option
bstards want us to buy an ipod and an iphone
no thanks, wonder if there will be deals on a desire now, hmmmmmmmm
Gizmodo User:So is it just me, or doesn't it seem like each new OS takes almost every idea from jailbreak?
+1.
The prices quoted in the states are with a 24month contract so holds no relevance to what we will pay in the UK.
Yeah just get the 64GB HTC Desire... Oh wait.. 🙄
Personally I'm not strugging with 32GB. Despite have a crap load of apps, several movies, video podcasts, iTunes U lectures and a bunch of maps, i'm still sitting with 10GB free.
I just ejaculated at the thought of that stainless steel back...it'll go with my fridge freezer 🙂
iPhone's don't and won't support Flash, or the forthcoming HTML5 which has integrated video streaming support.
Apple want to control the content which their users can access, so they can keep building the revenue streams with their partners via the Apple store.
There's always someone spoiling the party!
i want to replace my ipod and phone with one device
seeing as my ipod is already maxed out at 30gb and i have loads more music id like to put on
(apart from satnav not bothered about other features)
the only ipod classic apple now sell is 180gb
so i can pay 300 quid+ (plus line rental) for a 32gb iphone
or get a desire for free (plus line rental) and pay 75quid for a 32gb microsd
it still wont be ideal for me but i dont want to be dragged in by the evil apple empire if they insist on trying to get me to buy 2 devices!
iPhone's don't and won't support Flash, or the forthcoming HTML5 which has integrated video streaming support.
Erm, not quite.
Apple are touting HTML5 as the replacement for Flash. They already have good support for it and recently produced a showcase of HTML5 pages.
iPhone's don't and won't support Flash, or the forthcoming HTML5 which has integrated video streaming support.
err - the current iPhone already does support HTML video tag.
Rachel
US pricing is exactly as before but everything bumped down a notch - so a 3GS as the "cheap" option and the new 4 at the same prices on the same contracts as the 3GS was. I'm not expecting anything different for the UK.
Will be getting one ASAP - have had my 3G since launch day which seems very slow now next to the 3GS, so speed boost over that plus better screen, better battery life, better camera, better radio reception, noise cancelling mic, plus a load more storage would be quite worthwhile.
Probably a stupid question but is it possible to buy in a US phone and have it run on a UK carrier?
Erm, not quite.Apple are touting HTML5 as the replacement for Flash. They already have good support for it and recently produced a showcase of HTML5 pages.
When you click on that link, the text says...
"supports web standards including HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript. These web standards are open..."
and...
"Standards aren’t add-ons to the web. They are the web. And you can start using them today."
But when you click any of their demo links it says...
"You need to download Safari"
Can someone point Jobs at a dictionary please?
Yes, because obviously Apple should be responsible for adding HTML5 support to all browsers, not just their own 🙄
Given HTML5 isn't a closed definition, I'm not quite sure how Apple can claim to be following a standard...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/04/apple_html5_showcase_hype/
Cool looking forward to the software upgrade and Mrs is due a phone upgrade in a few months so think I'll persuade her to get an iPhone, well it's me who pays for it so reckon she will get one. A quick unlock and swap then and she can have mine.
>I just ejaculated at the thought of that stainless steel back...it'll go with my fridge freezer
iPhone 4 is glass front and back
Given HTML5 isn't a closed definition, I'm not
quite sure how Apple can claim to be following
a standard...
Web standards take ages to fully ratify. Chrome, Firefox and Opera also support some of HTML5 already. Even IE will support it (eventually). If everyone waited for every i to be dotted before supporting any of it then nothing would ever get done.
It [i]is[/i] an open standard, freely available at w3c along with all the previous versions of HTML and CSS.
Until the iPhone is cut free from the shackles of iTunes, i shant be ever considering one.
Was reading about the iPad, trying to transfer files is a right PITA.
Im loving my Andriod handset, simply because it doesnt come with all the shackles that Apple put in place.
What "shackles" does iTunes impose exactly?
iPhone 4 is glass front and back
Is it? I just ejaculated again! 🙂
Until the iPhone is cut free from the shackles of iTunes, i shant be ever considering one.
Was reading about the iPad, trying to transfer files is a right PITA.
Im loving my Andriod handset, simply because it doesnt come with all the shackles that Apple put in place.
Emancipate the iPhone now!
🙄
deadlydarcy:
iPhone 4 is glass front and back
Is it? I just ejaculated again!
Check out that wipeable surface!
Emancipate the iPhone now!
iPhone users of the world, unite! You have nothing but your chains to lose, and a world to gain!
What PPI is the screen? I heard rumours it would be over 300, which would be nice for reading, and better than print. My X10 is 270 which is just lovely.
I like the look of the new iPhone. Will not be having one as i am more than happy to be a few steps behind the bleeding (-ly expensive) edge...and will probably just upgrade to the 3GS from my 3G as they will be going cheap soon.
Incidentally, i cannot help but think in claiming the new iPhone will have a better quality screen, with a longer lasting battery in a smaller case the laws of physics are somehow being monkeyed with.
What PPI is the screen? I heard rumours it would be over 300, which would be nice for reading, and better than print. My X10 is 270 which is just lovely.
Yep, it's a 326ppi, 960?×?640 IPS screen with an 800:1 contrast ratio.
Should look pretty nice.
Nice, the current one was just too low res for me.
Will the networks be offering upgrades to existing users? I'm 6 months into an 18 month contract with the 3Gs and simply will be wetting myself with anticipation of having the 4. 😐
If anyone wants to be rid of their boring old 3G one I'm all ears 🙂
o2 had a tweet out last night saying something about upgrades to new 4 for current customers. Goto their site and put your details in apparently.
Only problem with these nice phones - inc the 3gs is that they are lovely to handle and look at when naked but we have to wrap them up in nasty covers.
Cue more people skimping on food and clothes for their kids because they "must" have this latest phone...
Cue more people skimping on food and clothes for their kids because they "must" have this latest phone...
*sigh*
Good to see they are catching up with some of the competition and still charging far far more 😉
That's the apple way!
Expect multitasking & video calls to suddenly be the greatest things in the world 😉
Only problem with these nice phones - inc the 3gs is that they are lovely to handle and look at when naked but we have to wrap them up in nasty covers.
Yeah I don't really understand why folk are drawn to a particular phone because it is slim/light/stylish and then they wrap it in some huge horrible plastic cover.
I only bother with a cover when I take it somewhere it might get roughed up a bit. Day to day use I just keep it naked in my pocket.
Day to day use I just keep it naked in my pocket.
But what about your phone? 8)
Only problem with these nice phones - inc the 3gs is that they are lovely to handle and look at when naked but we have to wrap them up in nasty covers.
Mine has neer seen a cover. Ok the plastic back is a bit scratched and there are a few marks on the metal fascia, but theres not a blemish on the screen. I've used it biking with muddy gloves and everything. The glass of the new design is supposed to be even better so I don't see the need for these cases.
Worth noting that for the time being video calls aka Apple FaceTime will only be available over WiFi not via 3G phone network.
Mine has a cover on the back and screen protector, when I go on the bike or working I have an Otterbox case for it. Yeah it makes it ugly but it hasn't got even the tiniest of scratches on it, plan is to sell it when my contract runs out and the better the condition the more cash back.
ooOOoo - MemberThat's the apple way!
Expect multitasking & video calls to suddenly be the greatest things in the world
But I had multitasking on my old Symbian Nokia, and video calling on an even older Samsung...
Besides, wasn't the BIG thing about 3G all those years ago that we'd all be video calling people by now? That obviously worked out well!
So what's all the fuss about?
Aaaah yes, Apple says it's cool now.. ;o)
Only a complete numpty would have ever claimed that the iPhone lacking multitasking was anything less than ideal but I found that it was something I can/could live with since the rest of the phone did everything very well.
Video calling - well, meh, really.
Apple have been full of marketing crap for as long as I can remember. The only difference is that a lot of normally sensible people seem desperate to believe it in Apple's case.
I think Apple has missed the point with video calling - the main advantage of using a phone is being able to lie, and you can't do it so easily when you're face to face.
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Video calling - well, meh, really.
Never seen the point in video calling to be honest.
But it doesn't have real video calling anyway does it?
It's only over WiFi (cos AT&Ts 3G network can't handle the traffic yet) and it is only iPhone 4G to iPhone 4G.
All I'd like to know is have they improved the sound quality if the iPod app?
Because on my 3G, it's crap. My old Creative MP3 player is waaaay better, on the same headphones....
[i]Apple have been full of marketing crap for as long as I can remember. The only difference is that a lot of normally sensible people seem desperate to believe it in Apple's case. [/i]
i have a powerbook and an ipod and used to think they were great
now i realise they are just another soulless corporation
out to squeeze as much money as possible, sure the clickwheel was innovative and the iphone got capacitance touch screens working on a phone
but their pricing structure is pure greed
and as i said earlier no 64gb? why when the ipod classic is 180
make me buy 2 devices and they can get the sheep all excited when they release the 64gb 4GS next year
[i]"People Buy What Other People Have"[/i] - says Surf-Mat who, despite secretly wanting an iPhone, bought an HTC Desire, because that's what all the cool kids have. 😉
"People Buy What Other People Have" - says Surf-Mat who, despite secretly wanting an iPhone, bought an HTC Desire, because that's what all the cool kids have.
The Desire is more geeky and about as "cool" as a vindaloo fart. I got one because it got great reviews and I liked it. If they did a beige version with leather patches on it, I'd still have one.
i have a powerbook and an ipod and used to think they were greatnow i realise they are just another soulless corporation
Yeah - your computer and music player just stopped working, right?
Surf-Mat - Member"People Buy What Other People Have" - says Surf-Mat who, despite secretly wanting an iPhone, bought an HTC Desire, because that's what all the cool kids have.
The Desire is more geeky and about as "cool" as a vindaloo fart. I got one because it got great reviews and I liked it. [b]If they did a beige version with leather patches on it, I'd still have one.[/b]
That say more about your age than your taste. 😀
Or the HTC is the best phone available at the moment. Maybe? Although I have a feeling that with Qualcomm announcing dual core Snapdragon mobile phone processors now shipping, that both the Desire and JesusPhone could well be eclipsed in the not too distant future!
While Apple might be just in the lead techwise at the moment, the A4 processor does seem to be pretty perky, I just can't see them keeping that lead for very long at all.
The interesting thing is going to be that Google have just announced that Android is going to a yearly release cycle... but when? Just before Apples to try and steal all the funky bits and say they did it first? Or just after so they can see what Apple are doing and try and trump it?
But at least I can't be accused of following the crowd, I had my Desire on the day it was released.. ;o)
But at least I can't be accused of following the crowd, I had my Desire on the day it was released.
+1 (well the version I have anyway!)
But at least I can't be accused of following the crowd, I had my Desire on the day it was released.. ;o)
And I had an iPod Touch, then an iPhone, before they were the [i]must have[/i] accessory, because they were the best thing available at the time, but still I get called a Fanboi Sheep, because it happens to be made by big nasty Apple Inc, rather than cuddly little Google.
The Desire is more geeky and about as "cool" as a vindaloo fart. I got one because it got great reviews and I liked it. If they did a beige version with leather patches on it, I'd still have one.
Fanboi sheep. 😀
[i]Yeah - your computer and music player just stopped working, right? [/i]
(yet more sarcasm from applefanbois, you guys really arent aware how predictable you are?)
well the ipod keeps messing up and i have to restore it and reload all my music
im not complaining its lasted 3years and seen a lot of abuse
but my mates sony and creative both have better sound quality, weve done comparisons and that pi$$es me off
the powerbooks fine, but theres no way id pay for it again compared to what else is out there
ill admit i was suckered in by the lovely macness of it all but it is waay overpriced
o2 had a tweet out last night saying something about upgrades to new 4 for current customers. Goto their site and put your details in apparently.
I just looked [out of interest], and the 02 site is telling me I can only upgrade in the last month of my current contract.
<sharp intake of breath>
Oh dear Kimbers, you'll incur the wrath of the fanbois - there's nothing they hate more than a former cult member who's got out 😉
If anyone wants to be rid of their boring old 3G one I'm all ears
it seems 02 will give me £175 for my battered 18 month old 3G. i was gonna give it to my wifes brother but I think I'll be subsidising my new 4.
what I like about the anti-apple crowd is that they are generally the same mob that will happily spend out on chris king headsets, thompson seatposts, XTR drivetrains when they are cheaper alternatives that will do the exactly the same job.
Its a choice. I choose to spend my employers money on a beautifully designed phone....
jam bo, where did you find that info? (about the £175 trade in value)
Hold on jambo... as style over function goes, surely it should be the Apple peeps who fall into that camp... while wearing their sisters jeans and riding fixies... ;o)
Will the HTC "fanbois" be rushing out for the new HTC Evo 4G?
(It looks really quite nice as well)
zippy - [url] http://www.o2recycle.co.uk/ [/url]
edit: bugger, should have sold it yesterday, its gone down by £20...