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The comments on this video deliver.
Maybe I’ve missed the point
You may have misinterpreted the word "comments"
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You may have misinterpreted the word “comments”
I certainly did, lol! I thought the op meant the comments from the person reviewing the object.
Do I dare open it in youtube and look at the comments? are they NSFW?
EDIT..ok i did..
Model SS coming soon.... hahah...
damn..i'd be afraid to drive a tesla in the EU at the momemt...not that I'd be stupid enough to buy one n the first place, but I do feel sorry for those that are on the hook.
The comments are Internet gold.
The video I had to turn off after 45 seconds, it's like someone ordered Jeremy Clarkson from Wish.
Never engage lane keep assist, it will drag you to the far right.
“the self driving feature was only following orders”
But who’s orders…
The video I had to turn off after 45 seconds, it’s like someone ordered Jeremy Clarkson from Wish.
It’s a bloody good thing I read that before I took a mouthful of red wine…
…although the carpet is roughly red wine coloured, so there is that. It would have been a waste of good wine, though.
Not surprisingly, people don’t want to buy a car from a fascist
https://bsky.app/profile/peterstefanovic.bsky.social/post/3lhc4xxbdqs27
I scrolled down pretty far and didn’t find a single comment that wasn’t on point, which was incredibly satisfying
new Swasticar
Voltswagen?
That was some proper chuckles, although some of the jokes were straying a little too far....
Voltswagen?
Apparently they’ve been forgiven for actually being right in it whereas super chump doing a Nazi salute to his new TrumpenFuhrer means all drivers of his vehicles must be punished/ridiculed for their lack of prescience and must immediately get rid of it.
Do people learn nothing at all other than grab the opportunity to pile on others given any opportunity . 🙁
Piling on to a megalomaniac neofascist and not giving him money seems a better response than looking the other way.
I'm genuinely glad I didin't buy one. Yes, they're good cars, but...
I think I’m with @dudeofdoom here. I’m no fan of Musk but I’m not comfortable with piling on to people who happen to drive a Tesla. The right are trying to divide us, let’s not play into their hands.
Anyone who buys a Tesla, uses Twitter, or subscribes to Starlink after what he did is directly funding a Nazi. There's a word for people like that.
people who happen to drive a Tesla.
A marque owned and dominated by an (apparently) fascist narcissist should be avoided at all costs. Add in the sociopathic design of his truck, and it's pretty clear to me that it's a brand to be swerved; I'm yet to meet a Tesla driver who isn't aware of him.
But yeah, carry on knocking VW for events from over 80 years ago by all means. If that whataboutery justifies appeasing a live issue, then good for you. If it's a 'pile on' for those folk that have bought into Musk, or pretend otherwise, then some good may come out of it.
Volkswagen, and I am sure along with a lot of European industrialists, but volkswagon in particular have been very effective in pressuring the German government to delay electrification across europe, and the whole German car industry is gaining traction for reduced employment rights, welfare cuts, and tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy. See the current tax plans for the German election, the right and the centrists will make the poorer poorer and the richer richer, while demonising immigrants. The greens are the only sizable party that reverses this trend.
The oligarchy does not start and end with Musk and the other tech bro scum. They just make it so obvious but we should be looking all around at the political financing and lobbying that is going on to the detriment of 90% of the population.
But that doesn't mean we can't laugh at tesla's also, and get off the crappy oligarch driven far right promoting social media platforms.
If it’s a ‘pile on’ for those folk that have bought into Musk, or pretend otherwise, then some good may come out of it.
No it won’t. All piling on to Tesla drivers does is create another wedge issue and plays right into their hands.
The playbook for these people is well established now and it starts with polarisation; divide the electorate into us and them by creating wedge issues.
For what it’s worth, unlike, I suspect, a lot of people piling into the comments section of YouTube I am in the market for a (second hand) EV and was considering a Tesla Model Y as it suits my requirements quite well. Musk’s antics mean that I’ve taken it off my shortlist. So, yes, that’s a political act. But what I’m not going to do is seek to ridicule those who took a different decision to me.
Explaining to a potential Tesla driver that you're buying into a toxic brand is not the same as dividing society based on gender, race or sexuality. It's just a car in that sense.
Buying something because it's the right tool for the job is fine, unless that tool is made by a tool. If people buy into Tesla because of the image, then the pile on is deserved - see also Chelsea tractor drivers.
I'd been avoiding opening this thread, but having browsed the comments I'm glad I did
My boss and the accountant have new leased ones arriving in March unfortunately. I really want to say something but they were ordered in November before Musk went full villain. Maybe I'll buy the stickers and discreetly leave them on their desks.
But what I’m not going to do is seek to ridicule those who took a different decision to me.
What's wrong with making the atmosphere perfectly clear for those not as astute as you, that this choice will single you out as a particular type of person?
I really want to say something but they were ordered in November before Musk went full villain
It was obvious way before he got involved in the US election and did a nazi salute, the people who were denying and obfuscating his behaviour before then are really not the most observant.
I was listening to a podcast recently and someone made what I thought was an interesting point. Can’t remember the exact quote but it was something along the lines that these people (Trump, Musk etc) are brilliant at baiting liberals to the point where they start saying things that sound hysterical
I’m all for trying to explain to people that the way you spend your money has consequences but piling on to people who drive a particular car just makes you sound hysterical. Musk has said some outrageous things, but China actually tortures people and it’s vey hard to buy any EV without in some way supporting them.
When it comes to Musk I am a bit of a free speech absolutist too and tend to the “hate what you say but defend your right to say it” school. My issue is with billionaires (be that Murdoch, Musk or anyone else) being able to buy influence. But that isn’t their fault and if I were a billionaire I’m sure I’d want to try to shape the world in some way. What else do you do with all that money?
Liberal baiting is just another excuse for them, they are real.
They are and we haven’t worked out how to deal with them. I doubt that jumping for every fly they dangle is the answer. But I don’t have an answer so I’ll shut up now ?
Liberal baiting is just another excuse for them, they are real.
This is why Twitter will die on its arse - if all the libs have packed in SoMe or gone to other platforms it's not as much fun for them.
And trying this on Bluesky results in nuclear block so they can't bait the libs there either.
What else do you do with all that money?
try and buy immortality and release Xenomorphs?
but China actually tortures people and it’s vey hard to buy any EV without in some way supporting them.
Yup people seem quite happy to support an actual regime that doesn't exactly have a great human rights record if it saves them a few quid
What else do you do with all that money?
Maybe try and use it for good?
I’m all for trying to explain to people that the way you spend your money has consequences but piling on to people who drive a particular car just makes you sound hysterical. Musk has said some outrageous things, but China actually tortures people and it’s vey hard to buy any EV without in some way supporting them.
When it comes to Musk I am a bit of a free speech absolutist too and tend to the “hate what you say but defend your right to say it” school. My issue is with billionaires (be that Murdoch, Musk or anyone else) being able to buy influence. But that isn’t their fault and if I were a billionaire I’m sure I’d want to try to shape the world in some way. What else do you do with all that money?
Fantastic mental gymnastics. I just wouldn't buy a Tesla as musk is a fascist. Anyone who buys one knowing this is complicit imo. It's hardly complex.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I consider free speech being more about haivng a free press and being able to criticise the government and not risk jail, rather than standing on stage and doing nazi salutes.
I just wouldn’t buy a Tesla as musk is a fascist.
It's not a simple thing. I agree with you, I wouldn't buy a Tesla for similar reasons, but if you want an electric car and a clean conscience your options are limited. I'd quite like a Polestar or a Volvo EV, but they are Chinese which is a country run by an authoritarian regime that is committing actual genocide against the Uyghurs, and whose human rights record in general is pretty bad - at least as bad as Musk. I don't like the BMW or Merc electric options, but the VW ID7 Tourer looks interesting, and the Renault efforts also look OK, especially the R5. And if we are going to boycott Chinese EVs, then logically we should also boycott almost all mobile phones, computers and electronics, plus a lot of bicycle components, and the electricity from Hinkley Point if it ever gets finished. The Chinese have got themselves into a position where they pretty much own the west, and we should probably try to unwind that dependency, but it will take decades and cause quite a bit of pain.
You've got to be a very certain type of person to order a new Tesla these days, and the comments "they are good cars" is simply not true. They are appallingly made, try travelling in the back of one for a few hours or more, granted to tech is decent, and they do the miles , but they are typical US quality.
Yup people seem quite happy to support an actual regime that doesn’t exactly have a great human rights record if it saves them a few quid
Gitmo, privatised prisons supplying labour. The US is far from a paragon when it comes to human rights. China makes a nice distraction.
Maybe try and use it for good?
Yes, but the problem there is that what you see as good and what they see as good can be two different things.
plus a lot of bicycle components
I've tried my best to avoid Chinese built bikes and bike parts for a while now. Ironically this mostly involves avoiding some USA brands these days... Santa Cruz, Trek etc. Plenty of production going in Taiwan, Japan, Europe and elsewhere. But China manufactured small parts are getting harder and harder to avoid... looking at you Shimano.
‘try and buy immortality and release Xenomorphs?‘
very good
I'm in the market for an EV and a secondhand Tesla would absolutely have been in the shortlist - not a forgone conclusion but certainly a possible choice. Also the possibility of powerwall batteries for the house etc though to be honest I can't really afford that yet anyway.
However since the 'paedo cave guy comments I've been reluctant to go in that direction and with his comments in the last few months its an easy decision to make, especially as there is now plenty of viable options.
Renault, Peugeot, Kia, Hyundai all make excellent EVs which rival and even better Tesla - none are made in China either though I'm not sure where the batteries come from.....or I guess many of the components.
This is the key problem. The global supply chain for everything tends to have China in it somewhere. I sell roto-molded plastic Kayaks made 16 miles down the road from our shop in East Sussex. Great except all the HDPE plastic powder they use is from...you guessed it.
China is far more of a problem then Tesla - not buying anything that benefits Musk is easy.
And yes, I think its worth pointing out and calling out Tesla drivers. Not in a vicious way but its amazing how what is obvious to us might not be to others. They then might not care but thats on them.
Yes, but the problem there is that what you see as good and what they see as good can be two different things.
I am 100% sure that my version of good is what most people would think was actually good in comparison to Musks version so not really a problem.
I am 100% sure that my version of good is what most people would think was actually good in comparison to Musks version so not really a problem.
Oh, I don't doubt it but it's his billions so he's doing what he thinks is good with it. I am not condoning it in any way.
Must have missed the pile on in the YT comments, no vitriol, no rage, just pages of (mostlty) funny jokes. If you own a Tesla, you're going to get teased about Elons antics. Sorry.
From Google Gemini...
The "tolerance paradox" is a philosophical concept, primarily attributed to Karl Popper, which states that if a society extends unlimited tolerance to even those who are intolerant, it risks allowing those intolerant groups to undermine and destroy the very principle of tolerance itself, meaning a truly tolerant society must sometimes limit tolerance to protect itself from those who would actively seek to dismantle it; essentially, "to maintain tolerance, one must be intolerant of intolerance.".
In other words, pile on the Nazis.
The “tolerance paradox” is a philosophical concept
Yeah, we've had this in other threads before, I never knew there was a name for it. One of the few vocal right-wingers will say something controversial, they'll get chastised for it and they'll shoot back with "so much for the Tolerant Left." Personally I'm at peace with the notion that it's OK, laudable even, not to tolerate bigotry.
"Freedom of speech" does not mean that we have to silently accept what someone says/writes. That freedom works in both directions.
Do people learn nothing at all other than grab the opportunity to pile on others given any opportunity.
I’ll happily pile on, just by virtue of the fact that Teslas just aren’t very well made, and the technology blinds people to the fact that it makes them dangerous to drive. Which is also true of every other vehicle that has followed Tesla down the rabbit hole of using touchscreen technology for every interaction with the vehicle, which is mind-numbingly stupid and dangerous.
I worked for a company that repaired and refurbished fleet cars, we had a bunch of Teslas go through, and nobody who had anything to do with them had a good word to say about them, quality-wise.
There is a word that every engineer and designer who works in the auto industry should be forced to have tattooed on their hands: ergonomics.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z42j2nb/revision/3
Can’t remember the exact quote but it was something along the lines that these people (Trump, Musk etc) are brilliant at baiting liberals to the point where they start saying things that sound hysterical
Which is curious when everything they say about marxism, DEI etc sounds ****ing hysterical but apparently thats beyond question.
Seems like the standard Trump and co habit of projecting their failings onto others and then demanding silence.
When it comes to Musk I am a bit of a free speech absolutist too
Too?
The **** is a free speech absolutist in the same sense North Korea is a democratic republic.
He is one of those turds who believes that he should be able to say what he wants without consequence but doesnt extend the same courtesy towards others.
If you were a true free speech absolutist then why exactly are you complaining about people using free speech to comment about people supporting Musk financially? Shouldnt you be cheering them on?
He is one of those turds who believes that he should be able to say what he wants without consequence but doesnt extend the same courtesy towards others.
not to mention keeping his big mouth shut about his chinese and saudi pals
I meant “too” as in as well as the other points I’d made not as in like Elon. The internet can be a tricky place ?
Nobody is defending Elon or his views (at least I am not) we just disagree on the tactics to combat them. Call him out for what he says, don’t buy his cars (I won’t) but be aware that the right will try to make it sound as though you are trying to claim that anyone who buys a Tesla is a nazi sympathizer (while also being a hypocrite for ignoring real genocide and still buying Chinese goods). At which point you look extreme and they win.
Draw attention to his comments but keep the focus on him and his views not on the people who buy his cars. That’s just falling into their trap.
Which is also true of every other vehicle that has followed Tesla down the rabbit hole of using touchscreen technology for every interaction with the vehicle
Mine has a touchscreen for lots of stuff (thankfully it still has a few dials and buttons too). However, most times I try to use the screen (say, to switch to the radio from the sat nav), the car's safety systems bing and bong and tell me off for not paying attention.
I meant “too” as in as well as the other points I’d made not as in like Elon. The internet can be a tricky place ?
Not really. I think you are confusing it with writing. To be honest though anytime someone declares themselves a "free speech absolutist" I expect the worse.
At which point you look extreme and they win.
So if we break this down.
- I say something
- The extreme right will misrepresent that and go full slippery slope.
- Therefore I shouldnt say it?
Now remind me exactly what counts under 1 and how this meets your free speech absolutist claims. Its sounds to me like you are someone arguing for self censorship which is really the worse sort of suppression. At least if you have someone censoring stuff a)they need the people to do the work and b) can be counter productive if they dont have enough people doing it.
That’s just falling into their trap.
Uh huh. I guess its gone to 5d chess now?
Bearing how much of his worth is in Tesla which is a meme stock based around him I think it is reasonable to judge anyone who buys a new one as being a supporter of him. Note thats not your childish simplification of calling the buyer a nazi but a judgement of them having the intellectual to understand the stock market and how Tesla value is based around Musk and vice versa.
Will be replacing our EV this time next year, will absolutely not be going near Tesla, however much I actually quite like the cars.
Elon is a disaster for not just the USA but the world and that might be underselling it, he's proving to be a total ****wit.
So if we break this down.
I say something
The extreme right will misrepresent that and go full slippery slope.
Therefore I shouldnt say it?
No that’s not what I said. Did you really think it was? I thought I was being quite clear, but maybe not. As I said before, I just think it is the wrong way to beat these people. In fact I think you are just playing into their hands. They can paint you as extreme and a hypocrite. You’ll probably also persuade a few Tesla voters to vote Reform because “the libs tried to tell them what car they should buy”.
I think the better tactic is to highlight what Musk says and not get distracted into attacking the people who buy the cars. If you focus on what he says then you will no doubt persuade more people to avoid his products anyway. If you attack Tesla drives you are making yourself look extreme, hypocritical and creating exactly the us and them mentality that they want
But go ahead and say it if you like, you could be right and I could be wrong.
Ah you're right, being mean never achieves much. If a pal proudly shows off his new Tesla, instead of calling him a big old nazi, I'll complement him on how much luggage will fit in Das Boot.
I’m in the market for an EV and a secondhand Tesla would absolutely have been in the shortlist
Same here, but there's no way I'm doing anything to associate myself with that absolute weapon. I suspect a meaningful hit on the company's bottom line is the only thing that'll bother him, not that I expect it to happen.
Just wanted to say that China isn't a person or a company. When you don't buy stuff from China you are not buying stuff from businesses that employ people. Of course, you'll say that the companies are evil, but remember the person who suffers the most is the poor sod who gets made redundant. The bosses won't suffer. If the Chinese economy crashes, the people who you have an issue with won't be the ones who suffer.
That's not meant to justify anything, I'm just pointing out that things aren't simple and that countries aren't single entities.
It’s not a simple thing. I agree with you, I wouldn’t buy a Tesla for similar reasons, but if you want an electric car and a clean conscience your options are limited
You are over thinking it, he did Nazi salutes on the telly box. When the owners of Volvo, Nissan or my beloved Dacia do that they'll go on my shit list too.
Because their having a joke rather than wringing their hands and trying not to demonise someone just because they have no taste in cars
When you don’t buy stuff from China you are not buying stuff from businesses that employ people.
Well, assuming you chose to buy something else you are still buying from businesses elsewhere, that also employ people. Buy an Orbea, for example, rather than a Santa Cruz and you are still helping people make a living making bike frames, and feed their families, just not adding to the trend of having seemingly everything made in China.
I'll hold off for the V2 version as that has an intercontinental range.
No that’s not what I said. Did you really think it was?
Yup. You might not think you are saying that but thats the problem of those who demand self censorship in the front of extremists.
Lets take your words "but be aware that the right will try to make it sound as though "
So where do you draw the line at "the right" (which incidentally is a bit unfair on the right and should be restricted to the maga party) portraying my words as something?
Am I allowed to say anything which they could try to "make sound as though"? You do realise you are dealing with a bunch of hypocritical extremists, right? Anything they dont like can be made to sound that way.
You seem very keen on amplifying the overly simple attack lines of the maga party whilst not applying the same rules to them.
Musk has always been a ****. Before he went full Nazi I saw Tesla cars as the new BMW or Audi. The car you expect to be driven by a WGBE who treats other road users with utter disdain. Having a Nazi lunatic as the figurehead just makes taking the piss even more fun. Some of you need to lighten up.
It’s a shame he went full bell end as his early achievements were pretty amazing. But how many super successful people didn’t end up as arseholes?
Who doesn’t use Amazon because of how shitly they treat their employees?
Who doesn’t use Amazon because of how shitly they treat their employees
Me. Haven't bought anything from Amazon for about 4 years. Don't miss it.
Does anybody really think that drawing a cock on a Tesla is going to make more people vote for progressive parties and kick these ***** out of power? Or is it just going to drive a few more voters over to Trump (or in our case Farage)?
Do you just want to make yourself feel good, or do you want to win?
It’s a shame he went full bell end as his early achievements were pretty amazing.
What achievements do you speak of and when was he not an utter bellend?
Does anybody really think that drawing a cock on a Tesla is going to make more people vote for progressive parties and kick these ***** out of power? Or is it just going to drive a few more voters over to Trump (or in our case Farage)?
It's really unclear at this moment in time and speculation on STW is unlikely to be revealing. We should wait until the results of ongoing focus groups where workshops will trial cocks of different shapes and sizes.
as his early achievements were pretty amazing
His ability to buy and/or fund other people's ideas and claim them as his own is pretty amazing.
Does anybody really think that drawing a cock on a Tesla is going to make more people vote for progressive parties and kick these ***** out of power? Or is it just going to drive a few more voters over to Trump (or in our case Farage)?
Pretty sure that's shopped, look at the shut lines - so it's a moot point.
Tough one - regardless of who made it, that's a weapon's vehicle. You'd need to be quite the tool to look at that and think "I can see myself in that". Then you add the Musk connection. I'd bet my house that that excellent phallus is a pretty accurate depiction of the driver inside. Regardless of the graffiti being fake, the driver is already lost from ever being a good person.
There is / was a good documentary on the BBC about his life up until Space X got the US gov’t contract.
Aldo for anyone who does manage to avoid buying all sorts of stuff from everywhere due to excessively researched moral standpoints, can you also claim to do this without being a self righteous smug w****r?? From my experience, rarely…!