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surfer, I agree about Apple when it comes to collaboration. It's a new thing for them and I can't see them making an impact against the likes of Google. As for Sharepoint, my experience of sharing and collaboration is poor compared to Google. Issues with incompatible browsers, incompatible software versions (e.g. Word) and an awful search tool make it a pain to use. Google Drive "just works".
use Fusion, it slows my Mac significantly and the VM is slow
Does have potential to do this. Do need to consider how much memory you allocate to the VM and where you place it (I.e. on which physical drive.) Works a lot better if you have a lot of memory and a separate physical drive for the virtual machine.
Isn't this why a lot of people grumbled about the new MacBook Pros i.e. the fact you could not upgrade them to the kind of RAM necessary for running multiple VMs?
I use Parallels, prior to that I tried boot camp but found it a pain to have to keep swapping between two operating systems. Parallels can be used within the Mac OS X with Windows within a window or Coherence mode which allows you to run Windows programs within OS X. I find Coherence mode most useful but not perfect as you can't drag and drop between OS X and Windows instead you need to open a folder to the Windows files within Finder and use that instead. I've tried other apps that supposed to overcome this problem but don't really work.
You get the odd crash which is usually from OS X rather than Windows but overall it works well.
Isn't this why a lot of people grumbled about the new MacBook Pros i.e. the fact you could not upgrade them to the kind of RAM necessary for running multiple VMs?
Yes I think so. My old MBP is great for this as I swapped out the hard drive and cd for two big SSD and loaded it with as much RAM as I could. If only it had a Retina display it'd be perfect.
You definitely can. Are you running the latest version?I find Coherence mode most useful but not perfect as you can't drag and drop between OS X and Windows
binners - Member
For instance the colour calibration on an Apple screen is far better than on a PC. And stuff like that really matters on a daily basis.
Better in what way?
Anyone doing work where colour is critical will have calibrated their display using a Spyder or similar and will be using a quality monitor, e.g. Dell Ultrasharp.
You definitely can. Are you running the latest version?
Parallels 11.2.2
ok, I'm still on 10 actually! What are you trying to drag from, and to? I've just dragged a JPG from Windows Explorer into Mac Photoshop, for example.
Pretty good article on the Apple laptop launch
[url= https://medium.com/charged-tech/apple-just-told-the-world-it-has-no-idea-who-the-mac-is-for-722a2438389b ]Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for[/url]
PDF's from a network windows folder into Outlook for Mac. You just get the file path rather than the document, same with copy and paste. Do the same folder from Finder and it copies the file into the email as you'd expect. I've got used to having two folders open to get round this.
I installed El Capitan some time ago and each time I restarted my Mac it came up with a message related to my SSD (something about an upgrade being successful) It wasn't a big issue and I only restart occasionally. The next time it happened I wasn't particularly busy so thought I would spend a few minutes getting rid of the message.
After a few minutes googling I eventually found a solution along the following lines (paraphrasing a little)
"I had the same message. I just reinstalled the OS and now it works perfectly"
Can you imagine the uproar if you told a Windows user to reinstall their operating system!! Fanboyism at its best!
To be fair reinstalling the OS is the nuclear option. Just because it worked doesn't mean there wasn't a much simpler solution. I've been using Macs for about 8 years now, have 7 at work and 2 at home and I've never had to reinstall the OS. Can't say that about the Windows machines I used to use!Can you imagine the uproar if you told a Windows user to reinstall their operating system!! Fanboyism at its best!
Possibly a problem with Outlook then, or some setting in Parallels I'm not aware of, as I've done just that with other applications (not Outlook).PDF's from a network windows folder into Outlook for Mac. You just get the file path rather than the document, same with copy and paste.
To be fair reinstalling the OS is the nuclear option
I didnt do it by the way, however when the inbuilt camera stopped working I was forced to after trying a number of other "solutions" The camera still doesn't work (it has worked previously for some time and it worked before El Capitan) and although I dont use it often I would like it to work. I am confident it is not a hardware issue.
So far no fix for that I have seen
What did you try? A quick google suggests typing this into the terminal
sudo killall VDCAssistant
To be fair reinstalling the OS is the nuclear option. Just because it worked doesn't mean there wasn't a much simpler solution.
If. You set up right on a pc it's a tiny issue, about 2hrs at most.
Dont work
Possibly a problem with Outlook then, or some setting in Parallels I'm not aware of, as I've done just that with other applications (not Outlook).
Same when you try doing it to Mail too so not an Outlook problem.
Anyone doing work where colour is critical will have calibrated their display using a Spyder or similar and will be using a quality monitor, e.g. Dell Ultrasharp.
You are aware this thread is about LAPTOPs, right?
Jesus! Listening to all you IT Spods droning on with all this totally incomprehensible giberish perfectly illustrates why 'normal' human beings just want to buy a machine they can plug in, turn on, and use, and are willing to pay a premium for that
Apple could just market their latest products with a link to this thread, and the strapline:
Buy a Mac! Then you'll never have to meet people like this!
😆
^ bingo. who cares about ‘enterprise sharing’ i have no idea what all that MBNA corporate crap is about.
‘sharing’ is nicking your colleagues biscuits while you upload a 4gb image to wetransfer.
Anyone doing work where colour is critical will have calibrated their display using a Spyder or similar and will be using a quality monitor, e.g. Dell Ultrasharp.
or an Eizo CG class. the Dell’s are not uniform enough.
who cares about ‘enterprise sharing’
A lot of people. Way more people work like this than like you do.
I can drag a file from Windows Explorer to make an attachment in OS X Mail just fine so I'd respectfully suggest it's you guys' setup that's the problem!Same when you try doing it to Mail too so not an Outlook problem.
Do you lot realise what you ACTUALLY sound like....?
Binners - don't worry if you don't understand. Just sit quietly now until break time ok? Would you like some crayons?
why 'normal' human beings just want to buy a machine they can plug in, turn on, and use
...right up until they have to open a terminal and type
sudo killall VDCAssistant
to fix the camera. Because that's user-friendly, right?
A lot of people. Way more people work like this than like you do.
Yep and Microsoft (Love them or hate them) get this.
Yes. One of the huge benefits of Macs is because the hardware is so tightly controlled GENERALLY what works to fix a problem on one will work on all of them. All you need to do in this instance is launch a program and copy-paste a line of text into it. Very, very easy. You don't have to figure it out for yourself or even know what it means.to fix the camera. Because that's user-friendly, right?
who cares about ‘enterprise sharing’?
You creative types aren't the only ones who want ease of use and lack of faff, you know 🙂 . In my line of work, sharing and collaborating on documents is important and, just like you, I want a machine I can plug in, turn on and use with minimal hassle. Apple are way behind the likes of Google and others when it comes to this kind of stuff. Will they catch up? Do they even want to? Are the "creative types" even a relevant market for Apple's growth anymore? Judging by this year's launches all their target market want is easier ways of using even more emojis.
For the record, I have Apple stuff cos it's nice looking hardware and it makes me smile when I use it. The software and OS itself are less and less relevant as most of my day to day stuff is done in a browser. Am I their target market?
All you need to do in this instance is launch a program and copy-paste a line of text into it.
Launching a terminal and typing a line of gibberish into it is user-friendly in Mac land? Amazing. It's like it's 1975 again. Do you have to de-frag the harddisk occasionally and install printer drivers too? (a quick google suggests yes and yes)
A mac v pc argument, how quaint. It's a bloody computer, long as you can get the software you need and runs fast and stable the OS is irrelevant. It's not 1995 anymore, they are both good and usable and as capable as each other.
All you are arguing about here is brand loyalty, and coming up with spurious reasons to support your choice.
Apple are way behind the likes of Google and others when it comes to this kind of stuff
Well this is a good point. Google, Amazon &co started out with the modern business model where services and data are key. They know about you and what you like to buy, so they help other people sell to you - but that's only the start of course.
Simply selling devices is getting harder and harder. Apple gained a big boost by revolutionising the user interface, but everyone else is catching up and they need to change. Microsoft realised this a few years ago (which is why W10 is the last new version and there are no more paid upgrades), but they also have a services business to draw on.
Apple haven't got much except for devices, have they? (honest question, I don't know - do they use the data that Siri gets them?)
They need something new and look like they are late coming up with it.
I think some people mistake simple process with user-friendly. I can very easily copy and paste some text into a Terminal command line on my Mac, but knowing how is secondary to understanding the what and the why.
The steps might be easy to follow, but knowing they're the right steps, understanding them and appreciating the damage you can cause if you cock it up is what makes it anything but user-friendly.
Apple haven't got much except for devices, have they?
iCloud, Apple Music, the App Store, I'd say they have a fair chunk. Their services revenue for Q3 was more than the iPad and more than Macs.
[EDIT] this is very telling actually. Apple can make a load more valuable recurring revenue from selling Joe Public more iCloud storage for all their selfies than they can selling a few thousand units of <insert niche piece of hardware here>
[img] http://images.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/q3fy16datasum.pdf [/img]
All you are arguing about here is brand loyalty
Your not paying attention sweet pea.
surfer - Member
All you are arguing about here is brand loyalty
Your not paying attention sweet pea.
Not really, I just look down on people that given themselves the crutch of being OS dependent! 😆
Yawn
😆 I just don't understand it. The point of a computer and an OS is to get out of the way and allow you customise and run yhe software that you need to get what ever job done.
In OS land there is no better these days, just different(And they are small) and the ability to run software.
I just don't understand it
I know
surfer - Member
I just don't understand it
I know
Explain why one is better than the other then?
No. Its not my fault you dont understand, just dont claim your lack of understanding is somehow a virtue
I understand perfectly fine, I sit with a mac and a pc infront of me most days, have done for 20 years. So I'm well fimiliar with both throughout many iterations of either OS..
Explain what you think I don't understand?
Apple gained a big boost by revolutionising the user interface,
when did they do this ? Still looks like Windows, Icons, Mice and Pointers to me, with a keyboard.
TurnerGuy - Member
Apple gained a big boost by revolutionising the user interface,
when did they do this ? Still looks like Windows, Icons, Mice and Pointers to me, with a keyboard.
technically it still looks like MacOS! 😆
Has anyone mentioned the fact that are quite good for watching cat videos on YouTube?
Apple gained a big boost by revolutionising the user interface,
when did they do this ?
Alright. They revolutionised the phone experience, and they refined the desktop one.
In OS land there is no better these days
Limited to the OS in isolation of any other devices I'd agree with you. macOS or Windows 10? 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
However for many people that's no longer the world we live in. The solutions for many IT problems - sharing and collaboration is the obvious example - come from outside the sphere of the OS. It has to, otherwise how does Bill on his PC work with Steve on his Mac? This is where Dropbox, Google Drive, Box and so many others have really succeeded where the OS-specific solutions like iCloud are failing (in my opinion etc etc)
when did they do this ? Still looks like Windows, Icons, Mice and Pointers to me, with a keyboard
Lol
Not sure iCloud and others are "failing"
I can access OneDrive from my PC, Phone and Mac.
iCloud from the same.
Calendars all cross happily, etc.
Documents are all in there in multiple formats - accessible by anyone who logs in, stored remotely so its always the latest version, etc.
hammy it's one thing to store docs that are accessible from "anywhere" and lots of services do that, but I'm talking about collaboration which means sharing and working on docs with others. Google Drive does this superbly and all that is required is a browser; the OS is irrelevant. I use Google Drive and Google Docs without trouble across Apple devices, Windows and Chromebooks. It's not just cloud storage. I'm reliably told Microsoft do this pretty well too, although I've not much experience.
Apple have only relatively recently launched their Collaboration (and even then it's still in beta) and it only works with their latest apps. So, for instance, if I create a Pages (their Word equivalent) doc and share it for others to work on with me, it will merrily send them a link in an email. If they're on the latest, greatest Mac they will be able to open it in Pages and all will be fine. However, share it with someone on a Windows PC and they will just be frustratedly clinking on links that do nowt (trust me I've tried).
Walled gardens are a great idea and have benefits as long as you're not trying to work productively with those outside your garden walls. Don't get me wrong, I love Apple stuff, but I'm not so much of a fanboi that I don't recognise when the competition does something a lot better.
Time was I would have enjoyed a good Mac/PC fanBoi War but the truth is both "ecosystems" have their positives and negatives and are both very good.
Back when I had student pretensions of being a [i]creative[/i] type I'd have loved a Mac, but like others I had to settle for running Photoshop, Illustrator, 3dsMAX, Dreamweaver, plus a couple of windows native CAD packages on plain old self-supported, budget "Wintel" hardware, it got me through a degree and then some.
Fast forward a few years and I'm one of those souless corporate types now, 80% of what I do really just requires the standard suite of MS packages, but I'm finding that the companies Office 365 subscription is allowing me to work more efficiently, and do so from our office or from client sites or home needing only a basic spec machine with a browser and a reasonable internet connection, I am very clearly the MS target market now, and google seem to be after a similar sort of segment, hardware isn't really the issue its what their cloud based apps and servers offer, hence MS have announced their 22% hike for all this online magic next year...
Mac users value the OS environment, but also the reliability that comes from more tightly controlled hardware as well as features more specifically useful to those working in creative-graphics, which of course places a premium on the hardware costs, and which deal in the sort of file sizes where cloud storage starts to become a liability rather than a bonus. hence the cost of their new MBP, so it's broadly in-line with MS pricing strategy in their now separate market...
I think I'm starting to like the idea of the Touch Bar. Context-aware function keys makes perfect sense, surely?
Context-aware function keys makes perfect sense, surely?
OK just imagine you had a row of those keys that did something different when you hit them based on what program you were using. Like f 4 in Excel or f5 in a browser.
How often do you look at the keyboard when your working?
I don't think I ever use f-keys at all, actually. :/
I never look at my keyboard, but only cos I have no reason to.
If there was something there worth looking at, I wouldn't mind.
I'd miss the escape key.
I think I'm about to be the only person in the world who signs up to buy one of the new ones.
I think I've just kind of got the point of the new Mac touch bar thing and I think it could be pretty useful.
Like an improved version of when you used to slide a new different bit of paper per program under the clear plastic bar on these:
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Exactly! Or this, from Ken Knowlton in 1973 (via Bill Buxton on the Twitter).
…and the thing I like best about Surface Studio is the full-size, wireless keyboard.
I think I'm about to be the only person in the world who signs up to buy one of the new ones.
Was curious to know if anyone in the 78 posters over 9 pages on here had actually ordered one?
Been waiting ages for the new MBP but now find myself procrastinating over the purchase. Feels more like a tooled up MacBook Air rather than a Pro machine. For me I can't see it being a desktop replacement, or even a worthwhile replacement for my old MBP. 16GB, which can't be upgraded, not that much for a pro machine. Same goes for the SSD, be good to be able to fit a second in there (I guess Apple would say there's thunderbolt drives or cloud storage.)
If there was something there worth looking at, I wouldn't mind.
I still think it'd be a pain. You have to take your eyes on the screen, refocus on the bar, figure out what's on it, press it, then refocus on the screen. Maybe not so bad on a laptop but if you have it liked to a big display, or are using an external keyboard, then it'll be a pain. Even if you know what's on there and roughly where the key is (like the f5), you still have to look at it as you can't feel out the key.
Just noticed that the smallest SSD in the MacBook is 256GB and that in the 13 "Pro it is 128GB.
In what twisted universe would this ever make sense?
I think that the deals available on Black Friday/Cyber Monday will be interesting. Will there be big discounts to shift unsold stock?
Just noticed that the smallest SSD in the MacBook is 256GB and that in the 13 "Pro it is 128GB.
Apple have decided that we should all be using Cloud storage.
Will there be big discounts to shift unsold stock?
Doubtful, I suspect that a lot of people were waiting for the new MBP - saw the spec and price and thought 'sod that' and bought a 2015 machine instead ..... like me!
Looks like prices dropped on the 4k and 5k LG thunderbolt displays on the Apple site. Quite tempted by a pair of 4k.
Probably the more important news
Dongle dilemma provokes Apple price cut - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37880723
Apple have been claiming the new MBP are their fastest selling ever
From the beeb article...
without a dongle (or a different cable, sold separately), you can’t connect Apple’s new smartphone to Apple’s new laptop.
That's brilliant!!!
As an aside Fridays pub conversation carried on from last week 2 of the long term mac users just got a pleasantl surprise when they installed win 10 other were impressed, one of them got so pissed off with his iPhone he came back with a Google pixel and can't believe how much he likes it and still no sign of deliveries from Apple for the other Mac boys who would normally upgrade.
I was thinking of changing mine but have instead decided to upgrade the HD to an SSD.
not macbook, but when Apple generate 104% of smartphone profit in the last quarter they must be doing something right.
I think i made the right decision by buying a 2015 Macbook this week. Does what i need and whilst i understand the bit about dropping ports i still have too many peripherals that need a cable.
On a Mac-related issue - I now feel officially OLD. I had not realised that there is a MacOS update beyond El Capitan, and on reading about it I don't see a single reason to upgrade.
Next stop - elasticated waist trousers.
+2 to the buying of a 2015 MacBook pro
After waiting for the announcement, I see nothing that I would benefit from on the new ones, and the lack of USB would be a hinderance, so we've gone for the 2 x 2015's
My 2015 MBP won't be getting upgraded. Happy to miss out on the adjustable f keys. Lack of esc. key would annoy me with several applications where it's mapped to be used a lot.
Perhaps a bit late to the party with this...
Apple have been claiming the new MBP are their fastest selling ever
But Apple are nor claiming to have sold more than in a similar time period for the previous versions, it's just speed of sales. i.e. if they launched the previous version in 5 markets and got an average of 100K orders in each market, they could best the previous "fastest sale" by offering the new model in 20 markets and only selling an average of 25,001 units per market even though that's actually a 75% drop in demand.
First day for deliveries I believe, So anyone got theirs today?
Lack of esc. key would annoy me with several applications where it's mapped to be used a lot.
It only disappears when app devs tell it to. Otherwise, still there.
More I read about them the more I'm put off. Saw the [url= https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Touch+Bar+Teardown/73480 ]iFixit[/url] teardown of the 13". Pretty much a throw away as it's not at all upgradeable (can't even change the SSD as it's soldered in) or fixable. My old MBP has gone on for ages, having changed the internal HDD and CD player for 2 SSD, upgraded the memory.
This one's really an "Air Pro" rather than a MBP 😕
I've realised that about the only thing I use my laptop for now is Axure, and the big screen/s.
Everything else, I do on the iPad Pro.
So it seems a bit of an expensive option really.
I just wish they did a Pro-in-a-box: no screen, no keyboard, just all the processing gubbins and ports for 2 displays. That would be a real 'pro' device I think - how many contractors just lug their laptops between a screen and keyboard at home and a screen and keyboard at the office?