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The problem with saying that is that this GE had Brexit issue all mashed up with party politics.
Sure, but it's difficult to find an alternative explanation for Labour Leave constituencies switching en-masse to the Tories.
I think the electorate have made it clear that this is what they want.
The main thing the electorate have made clear is that they're not going to tolerate being given a decision to make via a referendum and then the politicians not carrying it out, even if it was only an 'advisory' one. That could be the only good thing to come out of this. It will take a brave/foolish politician in future who treats the voters as idiots, and it could be Boris's undoing.
500k Labour members, 80k momentum members. The best candidate will win. If D.A is put forward as the momentum candidate she will not win.
So you think they should’ve gone all out for Remain? The Lib Dem debacle tells you all you need to know about that particular dead end.
The tories made slight gains, the lib dems made slight gains, the story of the results is really labour losses, that is down to the campaign they did run, they got it wrong from start to finish and now we have to pay the price.
Seems Corbyn’s back-tracking again. He’s now saying “I won’t lead Labour at the next election” but he’s not resigning. They’re going to have a “period of refection”.
He’ll be bunkered down with Diane Abbott and John McDonnell trying to work out how to stay on for the next 4 and a bit years. Prick.
I've always thought Corbyn had a succession problem - dinosaurs of his type died out in the 90s. Jezza, Abbot and McDonnell are some of the few that are left. He was literally the only volunteer from his wing of the party to agree to take on the leadership election in 2015.
So I wondered if Corbyn's refusing to stand down because he can't find one of his own to carry the torch and it looks like I may have been right, the two obvious candidates might not want the job:
"I don't think there is any possible successor who is as blazingly ideological as Jeremy Corbyn. They'd be looking for someone who's vaguely at that sort of left end of the spectrum. So they'd be looking for, say, Rebecca Long-Bailey - broadly, maybe, in that category - I'm not convinced yet that she's absolutely decided she wants to be in it. They'd be looking at Angela Rayner - I've got a vague hunch that she doesn't want to be the candidate, we'll see what she has to say when she speaks on all of these things." - Pienaar
A lack of a crazy leftie might save the party - we could see a Starmer as leader.
Alan Johnson isn’t just a “usual suspect”, he was the man tasked with leading the Labour Remain campaign in 2016, only to come up against Corbyn’s and his handlers.
+1. Top guy, not exactly on the right of the party and saw how Corbyn/McDonnell work first hand and early on and spoke about it publicly.
Labour should go for P.R as well. If they mean the words of their teary eyed speeches last night then they must.
So labour lose in pretty much every northern heartland leave voting seat and the solution is to put in place a London based lawyer,who architected the very policy which lost those seats and is a passionate, committed remainer? Are you all mental?
It has to be woman. It has to be a leave sympathiser, and it has to be someone who connects with the working class.
Ang Rayner amirite Daz?
Possibly a more centrist politician than many would expect - someone with her legit school of hard knocks background would give the momentum clown circus short shrift I reckon.
The tories made slight gains, the lib dems made slight gains, the story of the results is really labour losses, that is down to the campaign they did run, they got it wrong from start to finish and now we have to pay the price.
Tiny increase in Lib Dem vote from historic low-point proves my point very well. An equivocal Remain position absolutely killed them in their Leave-voting constituencies, where the Tories made very large gains. You know this perfectly well which I guess is why you're using averages.
So Labour faces an existential choice: does it pursue all-out its newer constituency of the urban middle classes, or try to win back its traditional support.
500k Labour members, 80k momentum members. The best candidate will win. If D.A is put forward as the momentum candidate she will not win.
I don't agree. Out of any bunch of leadership candidates the most left wing one will win by miles. Partys protect themselves from this [1] by requiring a singificant number of MPs to nominate a candidate. Momentum reduced that number so it will be impossible to prevent hard left candidates from getting nominated. That's what the huge battles a while back were about and that's why they all but stopped after the rule change.
Of course, if there is no hard left candidate willing to stand the problem goes away...
[1] All parties have the problem, by definition members are more 'extreme' than the average punter - they must be they bothered to join a party. Left to their own devices they choose nutters.
So Labour faces an existential choice: does it pursue all-out its newer constituency of the urban middle classes, or try to win back its traditional support.
Or do what Blair did, appeal to everyone and clean up three times in a row, in spite of the electoral handicap of a deeply unpopular war before the last one.
That may well be possible depending on what state the UK is in in 5 years. If Brexit is an issue for the voters at all it will be a bad issue not a good one.
Or do what Blair did, appeal to everyone
Answer me this honestly, do you think Blair would have managed what he did in 97 today, in an environment of massive brexit-inspired polarisation and slap bang in the middle of culture war? I pretty certain he would have failed, I'm pretty certain anyone would fail. Appealing to everyone will only be possible when the culture war over brexit ends, and for that, I'm afraid, one side, most likely the remainers, are going to have to swallow their pride and accept it.
Ang Rayner amirite Daz?
She's the obvious choice. Trouble is people like her with real potential are not going to want to be the leader having to preside over a civil war. Just like in the country, things are going to need to get much worse in the labour party before they get better.
Why don't they get Alan Johnson back? He clearly thinks he knows the answer. Pity he never had the balls to step up when he had the chance.
5 Years seems a long time.
the remainers, are going to have to swallow their pride and accept it.
And brexiteers are going to have to swallow their pride and own it. No excuses any more, you won by hook and crook, now take responsibility for your actions.
And brexiteers are going to have to swallow their pride and own it.
You really don't get this do you? Everyone, both remainers and brexiters are going to have to own it. When I say accept I actually mean really accept it, as in embracing it and trying to make it work. If remainers, and god forbid the labour party try to frustrate it or stand on the sidelines sneering, then the voters will keep voting for the tories.
Remember when everyone ridiculed Corbyn when he called for article 50 to be enacted after the referendum? Well maybe he was way ahead of everyone else?
That may well be possible depending on what state the UK is in in 5 years. If Brexit is an issue for the voters at all it will be a bad issue not a good one.
Well if Brexit is the calamitous, damaging shit show that the remainers claim it will be then Labour should walk the next election with the country in financial ruin.If on the other hand there is an economic bounce then Boris will be riding high and any labour leader who was a remainer will have that thrown back in his/her face ad nauseam.
Well if Brexit is the calamitous, damaging shit show that the remainers claim it will be then Labour should walk the next election with the country in financial ruin
More likely is that another entity will be held up and vilified as responsible for Britain being unable to prosper.
inability to deal with the anti-semantic issue
was that an assertion or an assumption?
dangerousbeans
Well if Brexit is the calamitous, damaging shit show that the remainers claim it will be then Labour should walk the next election with the country in financial ruinMore likely is that another entity will be held up and vilified as responsible for Britain being unable to prosper.
Well we have been overdue another recession for quite some time now. Maybe another EU banking default like Italy which has been teetering for a while now might trigger something.
I predict Keir Starmer will be the next Labour leader ...
Grace Blakeley saying Labour were not radical or socialist enough to win on Radio4 right now. Really.
Or do what Blair did, appeal to everyone and clean up three times in a row, in spite of the electoral handicap of a deeply unpopular war before the last one.
I'm not sure Labour actually want / wanted to win. Blair / Campbell showed them how to do it and they still refuse to admit they were ever part of Labour, written out of their history as an abhorrent accident. They just seem to prefer losing with honour. I fully expect them to pick another extreme left wing nut job and continue the noble battle. Took Kinnock years to clean out Labour after the Millitants, the same thing has to happen again before they stand any hope of winning an election.
Richard Burgon for leader.......
Rumours that he's going to get nominated and voted for by entrists from the Monster Raving Loony party are fake news
Grace Blakeley saying Labour were not radical or socialist enough to win on Radio4 right now. Really.
I heard that and laughed out loud.
Answer me this honestly, do you think Blair would have managed what he did in 97 today,
I think he probably would. He sold positivity when things looked bleak. As bleak as they do now. A vote for New Labour meant a vote for a better future for everyone. Corbyn sold fear, if you don't vote for me the Tories will ruin you, unless you're a billionaire.
Corbyn looked weak on Brexit, Leavers didn't believe he'd leave, Remainers didn't believe he'd actually deliver a fair and reasonable 2nd Ref. Corbyn's message was actually decent. They couldn't just revoke A50, even if they won because they're the Opposition (the Libs cauld because any party that goes from 12 MPs to a majority government has a clear mandate to do anything they promised pre-election) but a 2nd, real-world, real-deal ref would settle the matter. Blair could have sold that as the responsible, reasonable thing to do with an easy to follow Soundbite "Get Brexit Done" could have been weaponized for Labour- the choice between either remaining or a quick and easy Brexit saying within the Common Market etc, or years of 'chaos' with Boris negotiating deals with most of the globe. Corbyn just looked like a man forced down a road he didn't want to take.
The tories made slight gains, the lib dems made slight gains, the story of the results is really labour losses, that is down to the campaign they did run, they got it wrong from start to finish and now we have to pay the price.
Agreed - they ****ed it right from the day they backed May on A50.
Corbyn looked weak on Brexit, Leavers didn’t believe he’d leave, Remainers didn’t believe he’d actually deliver a fair and reasonable 2nd Ref
+1
His tactic alienated both sides, it was almost offensive in that it seemed like he thought both sides were thick.
Blair could have sold that as the responsible, reasonable thing to do with an easy to follow Soundbite “Get Brexit Done” could have been weaponized for Labour
+1
Save us Tony, you’re our only hope.
Richard Burgon for leader…….
Rumours that he’s going to get nominated and voted for by entrists from the Monster Raving Loony party are fake news
He's on LBC now, it's hilarous. Comical Ali.
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I think they need to look seriously at kicking momentum into touch.
If the local activists in my area are anything to go by, no wonder the "traditional" supporters left. I've seen constant, vocal, aggressive and condescending attacks on anyone who dared question anything about labour or JC, continual repetition of "you're all idiots/nazis/selfish tory scum" type rhetoric from them. And who was ever won over by a sanctimonious, middle class suburban c*** sneering at them for not being "socialist" enough when their primary concern is putting food on the table right here, right now.
Get that destructive and reputationally damaging faction out and they might be able to rebuild.
I think they need to look seriously at kicking momentum into touch.
Yup. We need some kind of cross between Alistair Campbell and John Wick to purge the pricks out of the party.
So who has the resolve to do it?
If the local activists in my area are anything to go by, no wonder the “traditional” supporters left. I’ve seen constant, vocal, aggressive and condescending attacks on anyone who dared question anything about labour or JC, continual repetition of “you’re all idiots/nazis/selfish tory scum” type rhetoric from them. And who was ever won over by a sanctimonious, middle class suburban c*** sneering at them for not being “socialist” enough when their primary concern is putting food on the table right here, right now.
They were talking about "thousands" of activist volunteers doorknocking on the radio this morning. I did wonder what sort of person they were and how many votes they gathered verses how many they put off.
Get that destructive and reputationally damaging faction out and they might be able to rebuild.
Blair swept them under the carpet for a short while but I can't see anyone in the current Labour leadership who is willing or able to do that. Vocal, aggressive and condescending underdogs seems to be their preferred stance.
Web Streeting on Sky.
He is angry enough to be a good attack dog for the Blairites.
He’s having an epic rant.
Blair...
I think he probably would. He sold positivity when things looked bleak. As bleak as they do now. A vote for New Labour meant a vote for a better future for everyone. Corbyn sold fear, if you don’t vote for me the Tories will ruin you, unless you’re a billionaire.
Completely agree with this. Corbyn is a good protester, as are several other members of the party. He's a crap politician, especially when put on the spot and having to think. He puts people on the defensive with a divisive us and them attitude.
I wasn't a huge fan at the time, but Blair is very intelligent, able to rip people to pieces in an argument. And if there is a positive argument for his stance he can articulate it incredibly well making it difficult to argue with him. And of course, if there isn't, he'll create one, just like politicians do.
He’s having an epic rant.
They're all going to be piping up in the next week or so. Totally pointless, and it'll only make things worse, but they probably need to get it off their chests. Of course the fact they're all complicit in it has probably passed them by, but if they think the left are going to simply disappear then they're mistaken.
Angela Raynor, please.
They’re all going to be piping up in the next week or so. Totally pointless, and it’ll only make things worse, but they probably need to get it off their chests. Of course the fact they’re all complicit in it has probably passed them by, but if they think the left are going to simply disappear then they’re mistaken.
Then they will be out of power for more than the 15 years it took them to bounce back from 83. How does a labour government in 2040 sound to you?
Oh and Rayner suffers from the same lack of ability to beat people in arguments like Corbyn.
I’m not sure anyone believes the left will disappear.
It’s whether they’ll ever get elected that’s the more important question
Of course the fact they’re all complicit in it has probably passed them by,
Web Streeting specifically said the PLP, including him, were complicit (he might even have used that word). He openly admitted they've known as long as everyone else that Jezza was a liability, well longer.
I'd never heard of him before. Hope they get rid of Momentum and he stands as leader. Articulate guy, I have strong urge to vote for him.
I’m not sure anyone believes the left will disappear.
And why should they need to? The problem here wasn't the policies, well apart from the one suicidal one we all love to talk about, but if they could marry a halfway likeable leader with the policies that everyone likes then they could recover very quickly. If Corbyn proved anything it's that supposedly hard left, but not hard left at all policies like rail nationalisation are sellable.
The more I think about it, the more the name Lisa Nandy pops into my head.
I wasn’t a huge fan at the time, but Blair is very intelligent, able to rip people to pieces in an argument. And if there is a positive argument for his stance he can articulate it incredibly well making it difficult to argue with him. And of course, if there isn’t, he’ll create one, just like politicians do.
You'll find some of the best arguers amongst Barristers, which he was for a time. They're the 'sexy' performers of the Legal world who's job it is to convince people their interpretation of the facts, rules, laws etc are correct.
My Uncle in Law is a QC, he's a pompous dick, but almost impossible to argue with.
Tony Blair was only a barrister for a short time, and not a very senior one.
Keir Starmer was a QC and Human Rights defence Lawyer before he was the head of the CPS, he was Knighted for his services to the Law.
He's a Sir and a studied Law at Oxford, but he's the Son of a Nurse and a Tool Maker and was given the name Keir in honour of the first Labour MP.
If you were going to design the perfect Labour Leader, they'll look like him. He's of the People, but he's also all the things the Toffs think are important. He's not going to get flustered by a muppet like Boris, or anyone else.
Momentum will no doubt hate him.
The problem here wasn’t the policies, well apart from the one suicidal one we all love to talk about, but if they could marry a halfway likeable leader with the policies that everyone likes then they could recover very quickly. If Corbyn proved anything it’s that supposedly hard left, but not hard left at all policies like rail nationalisation are sellable.
The policies were dire. We're a small c conservative country we don't vote for radical stuff.
Multiple nationalizations, just every single thing they could think of dumped in. Dozens of billions here, dozens of billions there. Then a random 58bn after the manifesto was published! Multiple Bank Holidays, a 4 day week. It was totally implausible. Nobody believes there was civil service time or that they could get the cash spent fast enough. Even hardcore momentum supporters on here don't understand some of it.
Maybe one nationalization and a few other things with a theme to tie it all together would have been managable and possible to sell.
All the commentary I've seen today says there there three problems: Corbyn himself, Manifesto & the Brexit policy. From everything I've seen I agree.
Keir Starmer was a QC and Human Rights defence Lawyer before he was the head of the CPS, he was Knighted for his services to the Law.
He’s a Sir and a studied Law at Oxford, but he’s the Son of a Nurse and a Tool Maker and was given the name Keir in honour of the first Labour MP.
If you were going to design the perfect Labour Leader, they’ll look like him. He’s of the People, but he’s also all the things the Toffs think are important. He’s not going to get flustered by a muppet like Boris, or anyone else.
Momentum will no doubt hate him.
This.
If Corbyn proved anything it’s that supposedly hard left, but not hard left at all policies like rail nationalisation are sellable.
LOL
The urge to escape our real self is also an urge to escape the rational and the obvious. The refusal to see ourselves as we are develops a distaste for facts and cold logic. There is no hope for the frustrated in the actual and the possible. Salvation can come to them only from the miraculous, which seeps through a crack in the iron wall of inexorable reality. They ask to be deceived. What Stresemann said of the Germans is true of the frustrated in general: "[They] pray not only for [their] daily bread, but also for [their] daily illusion." - The True Believer
Its a valid point about positivity - Corbyns key message this campaign, or rather the message that got across, was negative: 'Don't let him sell the NHS.' There needed to be a 'We will XYZ' to combat the 'Get brexit done' bullshit.
Well I imagine the new leader will be chosen when Len is ready.
Corbyn was awful, but the bigger problem is his puppet master, McClusky. He is absolute poison. A Rabid Militant Tendency Liverpool docker, who proudly boasts of his union record such as British Leyland and the Liverpool dockworkers.
As GS of unite he holds all the power.
A think a period of reflection is a good idea rather than reflexively finding a leader in the midst of all the bitterness and recrimination in the PLP at the moment.
I'm sure the good candidates are there. I like Angela Rayner, but not sure she has broad appeal. No real liking for Rebecca Long-Bailey, and haven't seen much of Burgon in action.
Keir Starmer would be an obvious choice, but is he too metropolitan for a campaign that has to win back ground outside the cities? Likewise Emily Thornberry.
Is Dan Jarvis ready to step up yet? I like the guy, and think he has potentially wide appeal, but he's firmly in the centre, so not sure the members will vote him in even if he wanted the job.
The gap since the last Labour administration means that whoever you pick, they will have little or no experience of government.
Corbyn was awful, but the bigger problem is his puppet master, McClusky. He is absolute poison. A Rabid Militant Tendency Liverpool docker, who proudly boasts of his union record such as British Leyland and the Liverpool dockworkers.
So what you’re saying is that a scouser robbed us (of the chance of a labour government)?
Corbyn was awful, but the bigger problem is his puppet master, McClusky. He is absolute poison. A Rabid Militant Tendency Liverpool docker, who proudly boasts of his union record such as British Leyland and the Liverpool dockworkers.
Ably assisted by Milne and Murray.
Batshitmentalists, the lot of them.
Milne and Murray are employees. McClusky is the power.
All I’m saying is it’s not as simple as “replace Jezza”
Keir Starmer was a QC and Human Rights defence Lawyer before he was the head of the CPS, he was Knighted for his services to the Law.
He’s a Sir and a studied Law at Oxford, but he’s the Son of a Nurse and a Tool Maker and was given the name Keir in honour of the first Labour MP.
Starmer would be great IMO, in 'normal' times. My fear is all those things above are just weapons to bash him with now.
"He's a sir! He doesn't speak for you! He's a remainer! He defied the will of the people! He's a tricksy Human Rights PC gone mad lawyer who got x off of y charges!"
Labour will need to have all the rebuttals fully in place and ready to go with whoever they choose.
Odds on Burnham throwing his hat in again?
Conflicted though. Starmer is clearly the best hope of properly opposing the Tories and tying Boris up in knots at PMQs, but agree that he has some awkward and easily weaponisable baggage to overcome.
Dan Jarvis?
Johnson and co wouldn't scare him.
In fact, he is the candidate who would probably scare them the most. Which, TBH, is what Labour needs right now.
From 2015:
I was hugely disheartened when Dan turned the leadership down last time. The cons wouldn’t have anything on him.
Starmer would be great IMO, in ‘normal’ times. My fear is all those things above are just weapons to bash him with now.
“He’s a sir! He doesn’t speak for you! He’s a remainer! He defied the will of the people! He’s a tricksy Human Rights PC gone mad lawyer who got x off of y charges!”
Labour will need to have all the rebuttals fully in place and ready to go with whoever they choose.
This is where Starmer could excel, he’s a working class boy done good, to the millions of ‘salt of the earth working class man in the street*’ Corbyn is a posh **** pretending to be ‘of the people’ everyone KNOWS Corbyn was born in a 15 bedroom house, everyone KNOWS he’s worth millions and everyone KNOWS he went to public school and yet here he ia trying to say he knows what’s best for them, even if it’s not what they want. It seems condescending. I don’t know how much money Corbyn has or where he was born or where he went to school, but most people think they do, it’s always in the back of their mind.
You throw those sorts of accusations as Starmer and firstly he won’t rise to them, if he’s got his public speaking skills honed like I think he does he’ll rise above without trying to ignore it, but secondly he can say yes, I am a Sir, I am a QC and I was in charge of the CPS, so I know that people from working class people like me can and should be able to become all those thing and it shouldn’t just be for Bullington boys, that picture of Boris (with CMD) in their sick posh **** club should haunt him, but he ‘owns’ his poshness.
Oh we really are ****ed! Bliar???!! The ****ing saviour??! Really??! Were any of you of voting age at the turn of the century because the general concencus here seems to be that he was some sort of true red lefty labour messiah!
Was he ****!
He was more Tory than the Tories dared to be. So much so, he at least had some sense to call it ‘New Labour’. Yep, right of centre policies with added ego and narcissism. The bloke was and more than likely still is a tosser.
Corbyn noodled himself because he didn’t have the balls to defend his long held views/disgust on the illegal Israeli land stealing of Palestine and he wasn’t a fan of the EU either, so was compromised as labour leader. If he had held onto his beliefs and stood up for them and given the party direction, he may well have been as unsuccessful as he has been, but he would have done so with integrity.
I’m sure the good candidates are there. I like Angela Rayner, but not sure she has broad appeal. No real liking for Rebecca Long-Bailey, and haven’t seen much of Burgon in action.
Burgon?
He's their regular talking head on TV, the best of them, pure left wing talent
He was more Tory than the Tories dared to be. So much so, he at least had some sense to call it ‘New Labour’. Yep, right of centre policies with added ego and narcissism. The bloke was and more than likely still is a tosser.
If Blair doesn’t count then Labour will have gone 50 years without winning a general election. Shouldn’t they just give up?
Oh we really are *! Bliar???!! The * saviour??! Really??! Were any of you of voting age at the turn of the century because the general concencus here seems to be that he was some sort of true red lefty labour messiah!
Was he ****!
I was.
No he wasn’t some true red lefty labour messiah.
He was the Prime Minister.
3 times.
We enjoyed the longest period of unbroken economic growth in history.
We reduced poverty and child poverty.
We sent more young people to University than ever before.
We slashed NHS waiting times.
We banned fox hunting.
We ended the Troubles.
Corbyn was the lefty Labour messiah.
We lost the most important vote in modern U.K. history.
He lost EU elections
He lost 2 GE on the bounce.
The Labour Party fractured and has its worst election results since the 30s
Moderates were told to join the Lib Dem’s, told were we’re just ****ing Tories.
Bercow said yesterday that Politics was a legal blood sport and he’s right, it doesn’t matter what policies or ideas you have they count for less than nothing of you don’t hold power, because your opposition will seek to destroy them to make you look bad.
Anyway, no we don’t want Tony Blair back, but we do want a Labour PM.
We also sold off all of our gold reserves.
Fabricated evidence and misled parliament and the electorate in order to launch military action against someone who wanted to sell oil in Euros rather than USD
He really wasn’t all that.... rose tinted glasses?
As per my last paragraph, what is required is a party leader of any colour who will lead with their principles and above all else, integrity.
As per my last paragraph, what is required is a party leader of any colour who will lead with their principles and above all else, integrity.
Burgon then
We also sold off all of our gold reserves.Fabricated evidence and misled parliament and the electorate in order to launch military action against someone who wanted to sell oil in Euros rather than USD
He really wasn’t all that…. rose tinted glasses?
As per my last paragraph, what is required is a party leader of any colour who will lead with their principles and above all else, integrity.
Another 50 years of Tory rule then. I like the cut of your jib.
**** me, another economics genus who was shouting at the top of their lungs “don’t sell the gold now, even though the price has been flat for years earning us nothing, in a few months there will be a huge terrorist attack and the price will sky rocket” it’s a shame no one heard them at the time.
Lots of people think like above and Labours massive spending plans confirmed said peoples beliefs and played into Tory hands.
I believe Labour should stick with socialist ideas but baby steps! Convince everyone you can be trusteed with the economy first.
Labour over history have borrowed less and paid back more than the Tories FFS, tell every interviewer at every chance.
Is it 40 nominations needed? 203 MPs so potentially 5 candidates. Or have I got it wrong?
Lisa Nandy and Dan Jarvis good shouts, hope they put themselves forward.
Momentum and Mcdonnell were always in charge, it'll be his protege Long-Bailey, he's already said the next leader should be a woman.
We ended the Troubles
Wasn't that all down to Saint Jez?
Anyway, #Burgon4Laeder
#Burgon4ladder
Good news, Comrades!
Reports that Big Richy B isn't ruling out running for the leadership!
Corbyn made it easy for labour voters to vote conservative. Blair made it easy for conservative voters to vote labour. That is all you need to know.
We are a slightly right of centre country. If you can’t appeal to this voting group then opposition or obscurity awaits. Campbell knew this and Blair ran with it.
When Corbyn was elected I vowed not to vote Labour. When Keir is anointed....
I think it's worth reflecting on history before anyone rushes into this....and it's interesting to see that Blair, Brown and Corbyn were all first elected to parliament in the Michael Foot wipeout of 83.
Two leaders and eleven yes, eleven, years later we got to Blair as leader, and then another three years after that we got a Labour Government. Glacial levels of movement. All the machinations and internal struggle, the bitterness and defeats. And the same happened to the Tories too.
Sure, there's a leader in there somewhere, but a PM to be from the current crop? Unlikely i'd say. The taint will last.
In fact I'd go as far as suggesting they aren't even a member of the PLP yet
Tristram Hunt FTW
Please be real.
Please be real.
Please be real.
https://twitter.com/BackBurgon/status/1205550317913432064?s=19
(Probably isn't, but please...!)
Nope, still don't recognise him. You say he was on telly during the election? Perhaps I glazed over a bit. 🙂
I'm sure he's the dynamic, voter-winning force that Labour needs.
Burgonism lolz its not real
I think it’s worth reflecting on history before anyone rushes into this….and it’s interesting to see that Blair, Brown and Corbyn were all first elected to parliament in the Michael Foot wipeout of 83.
During that time they had a left wing hardliner who refused to quit in the face of defeat. He wasn’t afraid to get the handbook out to protect his position either.
Labour should have won in 92, Major wasn’t popular (despite actually being very good) but Kinock was even less popular.
You all need to go and speak to the people who voted Johnson in. It is irrelevant how someone handles the PM at PMQ's most of the voters don't even know what that is.
"Kier who" I can hear them say already. Very serious and dull person who won't attract anyone.
Yes you need good policies and good politicians in the party but the leader needs to just be popular as the polices and abilities of the MPs is largely irrelevant at voting time.
Have you learned nothing from the last election...