[Closed] New iPhone SE...

Smaller screen is kind of the point though, lots of people want that.

It’s basically an iPhone 8 but with a blazing fast A13 processor. Bargain for that, wireless charging, waterproofing, and 5+ years of updates.

Ticks all the boxes for me. Been waiting for this to replace my current SE which has been used and abused.

Also dual Sim is good, yet still no expandable storage.  Hard to decide.

Just in case you weren’t aware, the dual SIM is one physical SIM and one software SIM.

Smaller screen is kind of the point though, lots of people want that.

Tick!

Main reason I still use the current SE is that I much prefer the smaller form factor. The current SE is very robust compared to larger format phones.

Ah well, I was hoping the home button would disappear to make room for a bigger screen but I’ll be ordering anyway

How much for a 64GB version please?

Screen size was a deciding factor when I got my current SE

Anyone want to buy a Pixel 3?

Very interested in that especially with the sensible price.

Wish this had been available 5 months ago when I had to choose my company phone! I HATE larger phones!!! They gave me an iPhone XR in the end, and it's horrible to use cos it's so big.

Still have my old iPhone SE that's been used and abused, and battery life aside (it's woeful now, but that's more to do with Apple forcing battery intensive updates on the user than anything else!), it's still by far the best phone I've had... I disliked the 6 I had intensely because it was that bit bigger, and when I got the SE to replace that, I was so glad to be back with a 5 form factor.

Hmmmm... Just seen the dimensions. It's still bigger than ideal, but it'll fit in your hand/pocket a lot more easily than this bloody XR... I reckon I'll end up just buying one, and use the dual SIM function and just put this bloody XR back in its box and hand it back to work.

How much for a 64GB version please

£429

I hadn’t realised iPhones had got bigger - I’ve got a 7 that I consider the biggest phone I’d want. I’ve got the older se with work and hate it though - it’s just too small and clunky.

Due a new phone around Oct / Nov - sounds like the 2020 SE might be the one.

Been waiting for this also. Still rocking an old SE. Battery health down to 84%! Needs charging twice a day, but still think it’s a great phone!

This looks ideal. Not too big. Water resistant. Better camera. Only slight disappointment for me is no headphone jack. Otherwise, pretty spot on. Will be getting it I think

I hadn’t realised iPhones had got bigger

The X and 11 pro are very similar in size to the 6/7/8 models, and presumably this new SE. The XR/11(non pro) is considerably bigger. All are far bigger than the old SE of course.

but that’s more to do with Apple forcing battery intensive updates on the user than anything else!)

Not every update, others have improved things so the battery doesn’t get used so hard. But batteries age, as everyone should know, and slow up.
At least Apple continue to support their devices for around five years, there are many Android devices that never get manufacturers updates, or even Google updates, relying on customer savvy to find and install updates themselves.
And you aren’t forced to install Apple updates if you don’t want them - Apple sent out notifications, it’s up to you as to whether you choose to install them or not. I always have, since I got a 3G, never had any major issues, and I’m now using an 11 Pro Max, I couldn’t a smaller phone now, I find the screen far too fiddly to use.

Mrs K has an 11pro and I have a work 8.   The 8 - and therefore the new SE - is smaller, thinner and very much lighter.

We are principally an Apple household but I have a Samsung S8 with a cracked screen.  This would be perfect for me especially from a size perspective but the lack of screen real estate bothers me.  The Samsung S10e is the same price at 128gb, with more screen - 1 inch, expandable memory and more waterproof.  It’s a tough call tbh, the S10e is 2mm wider and 4mm taller than the SE. So not big.

I’m liking the new SE more now though.

I'm actually a bit disappointed the new SE is so big.

I would have been quite happy if they had stuck with the current SE body and just modernised the CPU and made the body waterproof.

I have an S10e and it ticks every box except battery life. It is the perfect size for a modern smartphone and the right price v specs. Pity the battery is not as good as other galaxy phones though.

My wife is a long time SE user so she will probably get the new one - waterproof is good.

The rumours had long been predicting an iPhone 8/7 sized model so no surprises there. For the last 6 months I've been weaning myself off my trusty old SE with a 7 in preparation for getting the new SE, and although the old SE is nicer in the hand I've gradually become used to the size of the 7. The clearer display (in zoomed mode) is a big help and I don't miss the headphone jack at all.

Have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed, though. I'd mainly been hoping for better battery life, but the claim is only the same life as the 8. Booo. Might still get one anyway as I need to pass one down to my son soon and the old SE's battery is shot.

Thanks @Kryton

My old SE is still holding great charge & is on 99% battery health with the latest ios

Hardware looks good but that tiddly screen and big bezels in 2020? Eek.

I’m actually a bit disappointed the new SE is so big.

I would have been quite happy if they had stuck with the current SE body and just modernised the CPU and made the body waterproof.

Honestly, I would have paid more for this... Large phones suck!

Have to say I’m a bit underwhelmed, though. I’d mainly been hoping for better battery life, but the claim is only the same life as the 8. Booo. Might still get one anyway as I need to pass one down to my son soon and the old SE’s battery is shot.

Fortunately less of an issue for me now, than it would have been... My SE battery is down to 88%, and if I'm not near a charger, I can kill it very quickly for sure. However... When at work, I'm in my van between 3-5 hours a day, and my phone is constantly plugged in to the van as I've got Apple Play on the head unit in that. Biggest annoyance for me is I can't rely on my iPhone for strava on my Mountain Bike any more, I end up having to take my Garmin 810 along in my bag too (can't run a Garmin on the bars on my full sus, I've tried it... Fortunately I found the Garmin and it wasn't too badly scratched, but it won't stay on!), which is a minor inconvenience.

Hardware looks good but that tiddly screen and big bezels in 2020? Eek.

Thankfully, at least, Apple seems to (just about) recognise that not everyone wants a bloody tablet in their pocket at all times! I have no desire to watch 4K movies whilst I'm out and about, I have a desire for the phone to be robust (which pretty much precludes the screen going to the edges as it needs to live in a sturdy case for me), fit in my pocket easily, and to store huge amounts of music/photos/data that I need it to and sync to all my other devices easily. And whilst my eyesight is still good, I'd prefer that to be in as small a package as is possible! The current 5/Se chassis is ideal... The new one is bigger, so less than ideal, but a lot closer to ideal than the influx of huge phones on the market these days!

The SE was the zenith I think. Never had one because dual sim, shame the new one has the rounded edges. Square ones felt less like a bar of soap was about to squit out of the hand.

I like my SE, the new one looks ok but it's put on weight and got so much bigger. Also looks like it's got the slippery edges which won't be constant hand washing friendly.

@mboy I understand that not everyone wants a massive phone, but here you're getting a sub 5" screen in the footprint of a 6"+ plus one.

It could be super compact if they put the fingerprint scanner on the side/back/under the screen.

I was really hoping for a bigger battery. I’m a recent ish iPhone convert and my only gripe (actually I have another, why can’t Apple let you set default apps) is battery life. I’d happily have something this size but a bit thicker to hold a bigger battery, I don’t even care that it looks old fashioned with its (very practical) bezels and home button. The current SE is just too small for me.

My wife needs a new phone as the battery on her current SE is knackered, she’ll probably get the new SE as she wants something small again.

actually I have another, why can’t Apple let you set default apps

Rumoured to be on the way in iOS 14

I actually missed the IP67 rating. The aquaphobic build of my current SE is one of only two things I don’t like.

The other being battery health.

Not cheap for a tiny screen in a big phone.

My Samsung A8 was £330 over 2 years ago and still going strong. Roughly same size as the new iPhone, but decent size screen, proper Dual SIM, waterproof 64Gb etc etc.
I spent £30 on a 200Gb card, so even factoring that in, It makes the SE look pants value.

Plus I don’t have all the infuriating Apple restrictions built in!

I think this phone will shake up the market a bit!

For my preferences everything looks good except the screen. Not the size, but the black bars at the top and bottom.
Probably still works very well indeed, just looks really dated.

I probably would have picked up one instead of my S10 if it had been out at the time.

Mrs_oab loves her SE.

Like so many, battery is dying as did the 5 battery before it.

Small, waterproof and robust is ace. The XZ1 compact did it well too, but that also has 'gone'.

Contact is up next month, she really doesn't want a big phone. Hmmm.

Probably still works very well indeed, just looks really dated.

As a house with XZ1, XZ1 compact and SE, the whole big bezel thing just doesn't mean anything to us.

It's a priorities thing - robust, reliable and powerful comes before sleek and flash in our household.

Looks really disappointing to me - I think Apple could have done a much better job with this. The old one was dinky and light yet still powerful (for the time)... the new one seems to be 3 years out of date in terms of size/weight/screen real estate.

For the same price to the penny, a Samsung S10e appears to piss all over the new iphone SE.

For my preferences everything looks good except the screen. Not the size, but the black bars at the top and bottom.
Probably still works very well indeed, just looks really dated.

Now in overthinking mode, I’ve compared all specs with the S10e.  As this (S10e/SE) is my personal and second phone, the one non issue is battery life.  I think the S10e will lose an hour to the SE in heavy daily use, but otherwise is pretty much the same size, more screen and more expandable, whilst being 95% of the speed and more waterproof.  For the same price the S10e is the better phone overall on paper.

However, I’m sitting here playing with my iPhone 8, and didn’t really have an issue until I changed to a light background which exaggerated the top/bottom bezels.

The other contender would be a Huawei Mi 9t Pro which at £400 beats both technically, except isn’t waterproof and is a little bloated at stock and is brighter - no good for the pocket of a bike jacket.

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Looks really disappointing to me – I think Apple could have done a much better job with this. The old one was dinky and light yet still powerful (for the time)… the new one seems to be 3 years out of date in terms of size/weight/screen real estate.

For the same price to the penny, a Samsung S10e appears to piss all over the new iphone SE.

CPU is much stronger on the iPhone than the UK S10/S10+/S10e which gets the shitty Exynos chipset.

Kryton57

Now in overthinking mode, I’ve compared all specs with the S10e. As this (S10e/SE) is my personal and second phone, the one non issue is battery life. I think the S10e will lose an hour to the SE in heavy daily use, but otherwise is pretty much the same size, more screen and more expandable, whilst being 95% of the speed and more waterproof. For the same price the S10e is the better phone overall on paper.

However, I’m sitting here playing with my iPhone 8, and didn’t really have an issue until I changed to a light background which exaggerated the top/bottom bezels.

Agreed and I think for me it would be tough to go back now having had a full panel. But for people coming from older iPhones it will not be an issue.

CPU is much stronger on the iPhone than the UK S10/S10+/S10e which gets the shitty Exynos chipset.

Yet will likely only come into daily play on games / video use which is then compromised by screen size.

Haven't had an iPhone since my 5S, got rid due to to the battery being a bag of shite, looks like not much has changed then, two charges a day and still buying more?. 6" screen with 5" 'real estate'? (what a cringeworthy term btw!).

Fanbois will be fanbois. 🙂

what a cringeworthy term btw!

HA HA sorry, salesperson working for an American corporate, I can’t help myself 😉

Rumoured to be on the way in iOS 14

I hope so 🤞 Tbh the only one that’s an issue is email, I use the Gmail app. It would be lovely if clicking on an email address in Safari Opened a new email in gmail, not nag me to install the Apple email app.

I'm not surprised it's the same size as the an iPhone 8, they were still selling the 8 and 8Plus as a stop gap "mid range" phone until this was launched.  They will continue to sell the 8Plus in some countries.

I think there will be a small but vocal minority disappointed that the phone isn't smaller but Apple want this to be the iPhone you buy your kids or your nan as well as for business users.  My work are currently supplying the XR for new users.

We have bought a 8Plus and 11 in my household in the last year and i have the original SE as my current work phone. We also have a 8 and 6. The 6 is now in a drawer as an emergency back up.

I much prefer typing on the 11 than on the SE, I bet I end up with the new SE when i get a new work phone.

In my view, Apple have completely missed the point of the SE. As an SE lover, I have resisted 'upgrading' to any of their more recent offering, almost exclusively because they are bigger than my SE. If I'd wanted an iphone 8 I could have had one. All they have done is release a cheaper iphone 8. When will they get it, that the SE is great because it is not great big.

As a secondary note, also, the poppy out camera lens also annoys me on non SE phones. I like to lie my phone down on a flat surface, screen side up. The protruding camera make me feel uncomfortable doing this.

I'm sticking with the original SE!

Best not to over think it I guess.

It's a tuned up 8, which was an incremental update of a 7.

You can argue it's a lot of money for an slightly old-school screen to body ratio, or you can argue it's cheap for an Apple. Apple=Expensive, always was, always will be.

Corporates all over the globe will be pleased, Androids are a nightmare for cyber security unless you employ mobile device manager which of course has a cost plus labour to manage it which will make a £400 iPhone a cheaper proposition than a £300 Samsung and end users will be please because they'll be largely left alone to do what they wish with them.

In my view, Apple have completely missed the point of the SE.

Apple spends $16bn a year on Research and Development. I'm sorry to say, they just don't make a mobile for you personal preferences because their aren't enough like-minded buyers for a current gen 4" screen phone.

It's a shame, it's pretty obvious that looked after smart-phones can last a long time, very few make their 5th birthday before they're scraped. It must be a horrible waste of resources.

It's just a phone, chaps.

It’s just a phone, chaps.

Except, these days it's not. Rightly or wrongly, like it or not, it's one of the most significant tools in most folks lives, and deserves a bit of thought.

I think for me it would be tough to go back now having had a full panel. But for people coming from older iPhones it will not be an issue.

I tend to hold my phone such that the base of my thumb is over the front corner, stopping it falling backwards, so the non-sensitive band at the bottom seems kind of essential for me. The top, meh.

All they have done is release a cheaper iphone 8. When will they get it, that the SE is great because it is not great big.

Thing is, though, that's still kind of true. The SE 2 is the smallest in the range. By contemporary standards across the board, it's a small phone. It's bigger than the SE but, like it or not, the world has moved on and largely decided it likes bigger phones. And it still follows a key trait of the original SE in that it puts the latest internals into an older (and smaller) body, which in theory at least means they're doing less work by powering fewer screen pixels and fewer cameras, which should be good for battery life (which is why I was a little surprised that they only quote the same life as the 7/8).

Fanbois will be fanbois.

Or it's just that other things outweigh the less-than-ideal battery life? I'm not sure I'm a fanboi given that I've lived with Android, Windows and iOS for multiple years each, but it'd take a lot more than good battery life and a smaller bezel to drag me back to Android. Like Flash says, it's just a phone: they all have pros and cons and if someone finds value in different things to you that doesn't mean they're irrational 🙂

As a secondary note, also, the poppy out camera lens also annoys me on non SE phones. I like to lie my phone down on a flat surface, screen side up. The protruding camera make me feel uncomfortable doing this.

I'm always amazed that anyone can use a modern phone without a case. I find them far too thin and slippery to be able to hold (not to mention fragile when you inevitably drop them); the 4/5/SE design was certainly one of the better ones in this respect with its smaller size and angular edges, but even that was markedly improved by a small case.

Glad I didn't wait for this and bought an 11 back before Xmas. It's exactly what has been predicted since then.

The things I really like about the 11 are FaceID, a battery that will get easily get through a day without needing charging, and a screen that makes full use the size of the phone. They've not fixed any of those with the new SE

most of the time it's fine but the 11 still feels big and heavy (eg it's really too large to stick in an armband for running)

Well, the 11 Pro has all the good stuff of the 11 plus the good stuff of the smaller(ish) size, so it's the best of both worlds.

But then it costs roughly the same as an 11 plus an SE, so it's also the price of both worlds 🙂

Any XS deals around for the wife?

It’s a shame, it’s pretty obvious that looked after smart-phones can last a long time, very few make their 5th birthday before they’re scraped. It must be a horrible waste of resources.

100% agree. I used to be an upgrader, never again, it's a ridiculous situation. My S7 is over 5 years old now, and still going fine.

Looks perfect for me. I have been using an SE for years now and have kept it for size while doing everything it needs to. I just don't need a bigger phone and whil there may be better value Android phones around I prefer the look and feel of iOS.
I fancy a new phone and my current contract is up in a few weeks so perfect timing.

Now do I go for the bold red for a complete change or stick to safer black or white...

I tend to keep a phone for around 3 years and then pass it down to one of the children who keep it for another couple of years till the battery is well and truly borked. My S7 Edge being used by one of my kids is at least 5 years old and shows no sign of battery degradation (or not much anyway) - I was using it the other day as its got a SP02 monitor on it and I thought what a nice phone it still was.

Completely unrelated but my BIL has an Iphone 4 still, and has the biggest hands I've seen in my life. The tip of his index finger is the size of my big toe, always makes me laugh watching him stabbing out a text message on that tiny phone.

Anyway, I'm generally in the Droid camp, but a small dual sim phone in Apple hardware (Samsung etc feel delicate and vulnerable) would be perfect for me. Moreso if you could somehow flash an Android ROM to it...

Anyway, I’m generally in the Droid camp

I don't think there is much to choose between the two "camps" these days. 90% of the time I am using the phone I'm in some kind an app anyway.

For me it's just an "ecosystem" (spit!) thing. I have iPads, Apple TV, my wife, kids, my parents and in-laws all have iPhones - so it is just easier for me to follow the herd. If everything I had was droid then I'd stick with that.

Lots of people complaining that their many years old phone has poor battery life. New batteries are easily installed and affordable: my highstreet has several stores that (last month) would install a brand new battery in an hour for £60. If your phone works apart from the battery... get a new one.

Another person waiting impatiently for this here too. Currently using a 6S on its second screen and due a third battery, so we'll get it a new battery then pass it down to my son for when he starts secondary school and I'll get the new SE.

Everyone objecting to the specs needs to remember that the SE line is basically the cheapest iPhone, so it's basically the current processor (so all the models now share CPU family) in a case the factories are capable of churning out at speed (because it's basically a iPhone 8). Exactly the same way the original SE was a refreshed iPhone 5S.

Apple spends $16bn a year on Research and Development. I’m sorry to say, they just don’t make a mobile for you personal preferences because their aren’t enough like-minded buyers for a current gen 4″ screen phone.

They haven't asked all the current 5SE users have they? There's a reason we're still using these outdated and tiny phones when there's so much choice out there.

Two key items are missing from the camera for me.

Despite having the super fast and modern A13 chip, the phone is only using that chip for HDR and portrait mode. Its missing the more advanced use of the chip for:

- Deep fusion
- Night sight/mode

Even though it should have the processing power for both, they have been omitted

They haven’t asked all the current 5SE users have they? There’s a reason we’re still using these outdated and tiny phones when there’s so much choice out there.

There are multiple reasons, and when you take the consumer base as a whole I suspect that the largest of those, much more than physical size, is the price of the handset.

It would cost more to re-tool all the production lines for a discontinued handset than to keep the iPhone 8 tooling running, it would cost more—and maybe be impossible—to put the new internals into the old chassis, and it would cost even more to start from a clean slate and design a 5S-sized unit to take 2019's internals.

I suspect they've asked plenty of SE users. It's just that it's a case of: compact size, current technology, low price, pick two. There's no point using old technology that will become obsolete as soon as it's released, so it's a straight fight between cost and size: you either build a slightly larger phone or you build a small phone that can only compete on size and not price, which means the market for it will be tiny (and hence the price will need to be higher still), because most people who like small phones aren't big spenders.

Kryton57

The other contender would be a Huawei Mi 9t Pro which at £400 beats both technically, except isn’t waterproof and is a little bloated at stock and is brighter – no good for the pocket of a bike jacket.

The Pixel 4a is rumoured to be out in the next month or so & probably the same price as the Pixel 3a was on release - £399. It's gone a bit quiet on the release date though.

The 3a is currently reduced to £299, which is an amazing deal. I'm currently weighing up whether to save some money & get the 3a, or but the 4a on release.

My current phone (Lenovo P2) is over 3yrs old & still works OK, but I broke the screen at Christmas (proper unusable smashed) and the replacement I fitted isn't original - it doesn't function as well as the original with lots of 'false presses' and the colours are all over the place. Bloody annoying as it's a great phone - cost me £200 3 years ago, I still get easily 2 days out of the battery & it's not really slowed down noticeably. Stupid butterfingers.

I suspect they’ve asked plenty of SE users. It’s just that it’s a case of: compact size, current technology, low price, pick two. There’s no point using old technology that will become obsolete as soon as it’s released, so it’s a straight fight between cost and size: you either build a slightly larger phone or you build a small phone that can only compete on size and not price, which means the market for it will be tiny (and hence the price will need to be higher still), because most people who like small phones aren’t big spenders.

Think this sums it up brilliantly.

Just ordered a "refurbished" (hopefully customer return) XS from Argos Outlet for the wife. She doesn't want a phone as big as an XS but wants something with better battery life than "about the same as the 8".

So battery life > size.

Does anyone know of anywhere that has a good selection of old SE cases? Need a new one for mine as part of the handing over to the missus ceremony, my go to ate OtterBox who only have normal black at the moment

Haven’t had an iPhone since my 5S, got rid due to to the battery being a bag of shite, looks like not much has changed then, two charges a day and still buying more?

Much has changed but you missed it while you were sneering.

Even though it should have the processing power for both, they have been omitted

Does it have the camera hardware for either?

How much gb does iOS take off the 64gb version.

On my old 16gb iPhone it took half the space so in reality it ended up 8b.

Wow, you must have struggle with just 8b 🙂

The official size of iOS 13 is 2.2GB. If you're moving from an older iOS it takes about 5GB space to install it.

Does anyone know of anywhere that has a good selection of old SE cases?

Loads on Amazon and eBay. This is the one I use, it's a nice secure grip and seems resistant to impact, and doesn't interfere with a toughened glass screen protector.

Does it have the camera hardware for either?

Doubt it. It very much implies that the SE doesn't take its camera unit from the 11/11 Pro. The question is whether it recycles the one from the 8, or takes a newer one, probably from the XR (if that even uses a different sensor to the 8). I'm guessing the former.

The 8 didn't seem to be a noticeable improvement over the 7 so unless the A13 chip is really bringing a lot to the party then I'm not super excited about the SE's camera. Which is a shame: I'd been hoping for a step up in at least low light performance compared to my 7 (which is a big step up from the original SE). Maybe there is… still wavering over the pre-order button…

re the camera, per Daring Fireball

The new SE betters the iPhone 8 with a main camera that is physically — sensor and lens — equivalent to that of the iPhone XR. But in practice the SE should be more capable than the XR as a camera system because of the A13 imaging pipeline (compared to the XR’s A12). This is evident from the fact that the new SE supports Portrait mode features the XR does not — the background-masking “stage light” and “high-key light” effects.

There are reviews appearing now, and the EXIF data from sample photos tells us about the sensor (TechRadar have some original photos to download).

The focal length is the giveaway (because the pixel count and f-number are the same): the iPhone 7 and 8 had a focal length of 3.99mm and the XR had 4.25mm. The SE's focal length is 3.99mm, so it would seem that it's the unit from the 8.

Ach… to be fair, reviews seem fairly positive about the output from the camera/CPU combo, but we're basically looking at an iPhone 8 with an A13 chip (seemingly without bringing any discernible battery life gains) and no other upgrades of note.

Hmm.

Edit: though I see that Daring Fireball says "that sensor (but not the lens) is apparently the same as that in the iPhone XR"—but I wonder what's hiding behind the "apparently". Inside information? Mere assumption?

Antutu benchmarks seem to suggest the fancy chip is underclocked to preserve battery life.

Mm, though since Apple claims the same battery life as the 8, any underclocking is presumably to offset the extra oomph it brings to photography etc rather than to give longer life per se. And beyond that it's a total non-issue: anyone in the market for an SE won't be bothered in the slightest by a marginal loss of outright performance over an 11 Pro.

The aquaphobic build of my current SE is one of only two things I don’t like.

The other being battery health.

I use a shock-resistant case with rubber port seals and crystal screen protector. Also replace the battery with a fresh one (which for the old SE is a simple DIY process)

Is there a link to a webpage you've used which makes that process idiot-proof? We've got two SEs in the house with dying batteries…

I too would like to find out about battery replacement.
There's nothing wrong with ours, other than double charging each day and random 80% to flat battery on any day under 5*c....

There are good YouTube videos for battery replacement, and you can get wee tool kits from the likes of eBay/Amazon. The main issue is finding a reputable battery supplier.

The job itself isn’t bad as long as you’re gentle and take your time. Understanding of just how fragile little flexis can be helps too!

I really like my SE, I don't want a huge slippery phone. Like mboy, I don't need to watch 4K videos, I want something that does calls and emails and messages and internet and things for a long time and fits inside a shockproof case and doesn't need charging more than once a day (or once every couple of days, ideally).

But my current SE is starting to feel like it's about to be left behind by iOS, and then it's only a matter of time before useful apps start deciding it's a security risk (mobile banking app, etc) and stop working. So it feels like time for an upgrade.

@Bez, ifixit.com are superb for providing free guides for taking apart and replacing all kinds of devices, as well as selling the spare parts for some (although other, possibly less reputable, parts will be cheaper elsewhere) and selling some really useful toolkits. I've replaced a few batteries in a few phones over the last ten years or so and their guides are excellent, including tips like where to heat things up with a warm pad to make glued bits easier to pull apart, and very clear photos.