[Closed] New iPhone release

Standby for the hate.

I’m curious to see what is due to be released after seeing the leaks but I’ll not be getting one.

I got last year's model last year. I expect it to last me 4 years.

They are expensive things, if you don't need the latest/greatest then they usually have a lower/last years model for significantly cheaper. Apple do a 20 months interest free payment plan if you do buy the latest version - which is how I'm paying for mine.

I'm actually more interested in the watch, I managed to smash my series 2 over the summer so either looking for a new version or a cheaper series 4.

You’ll get a better deal on the outgoing model and coming from a 6yr old phone will appear to be magic...

Might be time to upgrade my i phone 4...

I believe it’s a faster X and XR series now with the dubiously useful wireless charge sharing thing.

An iPhone 8 based ‘SE’ would be nice, but I think they’re pushing premium again.

Tbh they’re all so expensive again I find it hard to get excited, even though I don’t pay for mine.

I’m actually more interested in the watch, I managed to smash my series 2 over the summer so either looking for a new version or a cheaper series 4.

Yes eventually I'm now becoming interested in an Apple Watch thta was until I seen Garmin's new ones.

Tbh they’re all so expensive again I find it hard to get excited, even though I don’t pay for mine.

I know exactly what you mean. The counter is that I basically live in it and my last one has lasted over 6 years, though that does include a free warranty replacement. If I keep it 4 years then £250 per year for something that organises my life is not too unreasonable.

My SE is two and a half years old and still as good as new, cannot fault it. Agree a new SE would be nice but I can wait as I'm in no rush to replace it.

I went from a 6s to an XS last year.

As above, it'll do me for the next few years and agree that you might be better off looking at deals on that model really as (from what I have heard) the improvements aren't going to be significant and the only big change is in the camera. Apparently clocked speeds on the new models when using multiple apps is not much better than on current models (although single app clock times are improved).

XR was the sweet-spot when replacing the wife's 7 this year. £100 off on Prime day too, so didn't think bad for £650 (plus the old phone eBayed for £200). I'd look for deals on these unless you're desperate to have the latest and greatest.

I got an iPhone X last year after my 5 completely died on my. I'm not impressed with it. The operating system and capabilities are fine, the face ID is brilliant, Apple Pay is brilliant. But not a fan of the form factor, the edge to edge screen is a PITA and ultimately a gimmick and the glass construction is rubbish. I cracked the back of my X and you cannot repair it as the internals are bonded into the chassis so you need to replace the whole phone, so I've not bothered. Also the prices are just getting stupid. I appreciate a modern smartphone is so much more than a phone and can understand they're getting more expensive, and I don't even mind paying a bit of a premium for Apple, but they're starting to take the P now.

Yes eventually I’m now becoming interested in an Apple Watch thta was until I seen Garmin’s new ones.

They are expensive things,

I’m in no rush to replace it.

this is the challenge for the whole sector really. There used to be a drive to push forward the technology as there were more an more new things you could use a phone for and those things were often at the limit of or beyond the capability of the phone you already had. But really there's a few uses that everyone has settled on - browsing the Internet, navigating the real world and social interaction. You can keep jamming in more pixels and more hertz but neither of those things are a bar to what people are actually using their phones for right now.

We seem to be reaching a point where once people have a phone they like they want it to last - and importantly -  they of want the next one they get to be more or less the same. Rather than get excited about the next new thing people view new launches with a bit of a dread that the kind of phone they like might cease to be available (Says 5SE user) Now that the market has matured rather than trying to add more and more features and capabilities I think a lot of people would rather choose something that does a few things well and carries little extra baggage.

Unless theres some sort of new revolutionary,  game changing use for a phone in your pocket that hasn't been foreseen yet (and there might be) then theres going to have to be a big change in business model away from an R&D race and towards selling cheaper, simpler phones and selling them less often

But not a fan of the form factor,

I would like them to be a bit more robust,and a bit smaller. The big screen is obviously nice, but adding a case makes it bulky enough to be uncomfortable in a jeans pocket.

There is talk of an updated 'SE' model in 2020, but it might just be talk...

Re: stagnation, I expect a lot of 5G based services to come online in the next few years - that will drive the new hardware cycle for a few years.

Tbh they’re all so expensive again I find it hard to get excited, even though I don’t pay for mine.

I know exactly what you mean. The counter is that I basically live in it and my last one has lasted over 6 years, though that does include a free warranty replacement. If I keep it 4 years then £250 per year for something that organises my life is not too unreasonable.

No, it's not bad if you can keep them that long.

I guess for me the excitement has gone, maybe it's my age, but I think it's more because the product has long matured. They've been fast enough for years, and whilst new features are nice they're become increasingly less "game changing".

For me it's been more of a case of replacing a worn, cracked and generally grubby smart phone for a shiny new one that's mostly the same.

You’ll get a better deal on the outgoing model and coming from a 6yr old phone will appear to be magic…

This for me. My 7 is getting to the point where I could do with a new one...maybe. But I'll go for one of the current X models probably. As the quote above says, any of those will feel like magic. But if You can afford the new one, it'll feel like magic with a little extra. :o)

I use an iPhoneX, bought it to replace an iPhone6s that i'd had for years, and sold that on here.

I like the X, think its a great mix of usability, easy to see/read and capable for my simple requirements. Yeah i'll change it, maybe in a few years time.

My Wife still uses my original 6..

From all the leak info I've read the iPhone 11 looks to be the least interesting version for ages, it's all just minor fluff until the big changes (hopefully in the following version) are ready. If I had to get a new(er) iPhone now I'd just wait until the new one was out and buy the current one at a discount.

I upgraded to an XR just before summer, and the biggest difference is the 2 day battery life compared to the 1 day I could get out of the Samsung S7+ it replaced. Other than that there don't seem to be any particular advantages - the camera's a bit better, applications open a bit faster, but that's about it. (And given I'm not getting on with iOS I'm seriously considering giving it to my daughter and going back to the S7+ - there really is that little in it when it comes to performance).

I went 3G, 4, 4S, 6, 6S and then completely lost interest in upgrading...

the biggest difference is the 2 day battery life

I'd agree - that is the best thing about my upgrade (along with the better camera). I replaced the battery (on the warranty programme) on my 6S shortly before upgrading but it still struggled to get through a working day (I could burn through 40% on the 30 minute train commute in a morning).

But not a fan of the form factor, the edge to edge screen is a PITA and ultimately a gimmick

I don't see this at all. I mean, I understand you're entitled to your opinion but I think the form factor and gesture control on the X is beautiful. I just love using my iPhoneX - it's one of the best things I've bought in recent years. My wife recently bought an iPhone 8 and it just feels like a last-gen device by comparison.

this is the challenge for the whole sector really.

Nail, head.

Back in "the day" you had to spend a lot of money on a PC to get anything remotely approaching usable. Required specs leapt up astonishingly quickly, on going from Windows 98 to XP - a gap of just 4 years - the RAM requirements jumped like tenfold. These days, hardware has overtaken software and bargain basement PCs are "good enough" for the majority of users. Maybe once a week someone will post on STW asking "what PC for email, surfing the web and light Office usage" and the answer really is "absolutely anything."

Phones are inevitably going the same way. I spent years buying the next Latest And Greatest Thing only to be disappointed with slow performance, limited apps, or it otherwise just not working as I'd expected. By the time your 12 month contract (remember those?) had expired most folk were going "ooh, 'free' phone upgrade time!" These days though, just like with PCs the hardware is catching / caught up with software demands and there's no longer a desperate need to run out and buy flagship phones as soon as you're done paying for the last one. The last handset I bought cost £200, it's absolutely fine apart from a couple of minor niggles, and it replaced a four year old HTC One which I'd probably still be using today had the charging port not blown up. It's difficult to justify spending £600 on a phone (for me personally) these days when I can get ostensibly the same thing with a slightly inferior camera and a charger I actually have to plug in for £200.

My xiaomi lasts all day regardless of what I’m doing.

Will apple ever offer an iphone with a battery twice as big? That would be a winner for me.

For those considering the watch - just be warned that the e-sim's are locked to the UK.
Won't work outside of their geographical areas due to licensing despite the likes of O2, EE, etc operating in europe. The watch won't.
So if you're thinking of leaving your phone at home on a euro trip - it becomes just a digital watch without the phone and wifi.

Amazed it's taken this long...

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/shiny-thing-make-it-all-better-201001282420

😉

^^^ Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not CF?

*28th January 2010*

My xiaomi lasts all day regardless of what I’m doing.

Will apple ever offer an iphone with a battery twice as big?

Not sure about 'twice as big' but my iPhone will last two days comfortably unless I am really hammering it with Google Maps or streaming. I charged it before the Great North Run (on Saturday afternoon). I used it to find my way around Newcastle on Saturday evening (using the new live view Google Maps thing) then all day on Sunday with social media updates, run tracking, getting in touch with friends and family, more social updates, picture uploads, more Google Maps etc. My girls also used it for playing some games and Facetimed their friends for a bit. By last night it still had about 25% charge.

If an updated SE came out, I'd be interested (if it could accept 2 SIMs). In terms of size and shape, it's pretty much the pinnacle for me. Would prefer it to run Android as I've bought various apps, but the OS doesn't really matter to me. My current phone is fine, but thanks to its size and slippery metal body, it flies out of my hand at every opportunity so needs a rubber case making it even bigger. Seems like nobody is making a decent smaller handset though.

Seems like nobody is making a decent smaller handset though.

They simply need to be bigger to fit all the tech in (and a large enough battery to run it all). For example, the latest iPhone is rumoured to have rear three cameras + two front facing. All that has to fit somewhere.

A friend just bought a new XS after dropping her old phone on the floor 3 times in two weeks and then dropping it in the loo where it broke into two pieces (probably committed suicide!) .... cost £1300!!!
And I thought £500 for my OnePlus was a lot !

Only good bit is that her company pays for it!

Seems like nobody is making a decent smaller handset though.

Yeah, it's been the case for a few years now. I don't need a big daft phone, I have decent eyesight and a tablet for anything that requires a bigger screen. Yet the arms-race seems to be for ever-larger phones and what little does come out in a smaller form factor tends to be horribly crippled.

I need a new phone, and the only thing I'm interested in is the price reductions on the outgoing models,which is what I'll be going for.

Just another device now innit. I mean, by all means buy a new phone but not much point in getting excited about a launch of a few slightly improved features that will have little to no impact on anything.

I went from a iPhone 7 to the iPhone XR, the first annoyance and one I have every year is that I have had to go from a 128gb 7 to a 256gb XR as they dont do a 128GB XS, this was the same when I got my 7, they didnt do a 64gb so went for a 128gb... The other annoyance is the weight of the thing, it is heavy and the last thing is the bigger screen is actually slightly more annoying to use one handed. There are some positives like the battery life and portrait mode on the camera, but they are few and far between.

They need to make phones more robust i've said this before that designing something that will inevitably get dropped out of the world slippest glass (Samsung) is either stupid or a given the hardware is so good now a way of forcing us to update as or phones are smashed to pieces. I've been through 4 S8/9s breaking them in the nano second they are out of the case (luckly i don't have to pay for them).

last thing is the bigger screen is actually slightly more annoying to use one handed

A friend just bought a new XS after dropping her old phone on the floor 3 times in two weeks and then dropping it in the loo where it broke into two pieces (probably committed suicide!) …. cost £1300!!!

Yep, when a new one was £500-£600 I could stomach that, but over £1k is just insane IMHO. Hence not upgraded for several years...

designing something that will inevitably get dropped out of the world slippest glass

My work phone is an old Nokia 735. I swear it's the slipperiest thing in existence, it's like making phone calls on a lightly greased otter.

Surely the first thing you do when you get a new phone is get a case for it? All the top end phones I've handled are (relatively) heavy and slippery.

Lightly greased otter?
Surely a heavily greased one would be slippier?

It doesn't weigh much, so a heavier grease would be stickier. With a light grade of grease, you pick it up, it squirts out your hand, pick it up again, slips again, it's a viscous circle.

Surely the first thing you do when you get a new phone is get a case for it?

their not really designed to have a case on though, they just spawned a case industry

hate having a case on mine, half a rubber half shell thing on my X purely because i smashed the back recently and I'm not upgrading/replacing so late into the cycle

their not really designed to have a case on though

I would argue the opposite. The protruding camera on the rear of all the recent handsets suggests the designers are assuming everyone is going to use a case of some kind.

Ahhh - I said heavily greased - not heavy greased......

But not a fan of the form factor, the edge to edge screen is a PITA and ultimately a gimmick

I don’t see this at all. I mean, I understand you’re entitled to your opinion but I think the form factor and gesture control on the X is beautiful. I just love using my iPhoneX – it’s one of the best things I’ve bought in recent years. My wife recently bought an iPhone 8 and it just feels like a last-gen device by comparison.

I've not got a problem with the way it works, it's brill, but the edge to edge screen, at least with my fat fingers, just means every time I pick it up or hold with and operate it with one hand stuff happens you didn't intend because parts of your fingers wrap around the edge and activate the screen. Needs a boarder or a different shaped edge to keep fat fingers at bay.

There is an element of form over function going on with phones these days.

I think I might be upgrading this time around, my 6+ won’t allow any further OS upgrades, which is fair enough, it’s five years old now; having said that it runs ok, but the battery is now showing 75% maximum capacity, which is starting to show up as reduced run time.
Condition-wise, it’s in pretty good nick, it’s had a glass screen protector from new, which has a couple of cracks across it from drops, and a cheap clear silicon case that replaced the Otterbox I had it in to start with, and which was just too bulky, and not even close to waterproof!
I looked into getting an X last year, but passed, the new 11 Max looks like a good upgrade, 512Gb of storage, and the triple camera system looks like it’ll take better photos than my 6+, and having paid off my mortgage by the time it comes out I’ll be able to afford it, albeit by paying monthly.
It will have a case, probably a Pelican case with a glass screen protector, just for the added security in the event of a drop.

it’s a viscous circle

So close to a perfect joke but so far away.

I can get ostensibly the same thing with a slightly inferior camera and a charger I actually have to plug in for £200.

Ah, but the charging port is a key point of failure as it inevitably gets pulled on or drops onto it. Wireless charging gets round that.

their not really designed to have a case on though

Tell that to Samsung. They make several really lovely and feature-packed cases for their phones and charge a bomb for them. Then they get discounted six months later on Amazon. I bought a flip case (with an awesome LED display on the front!) because I want to keep my phone as long as possible.

Will apple ever offer an iphone with a battery twice as big? That would be a winner for me.

Yeah this is my only disappointment. I'm a recent convert and bought a 6S back in April. It's pretty much perfect for me apart from the battery life, it lasts ages until you actually use it with the screen on.

I've had my 6 since release its now starting to show its age. The trick with iPhones is getting a replacement through applecare right before it finishes. I am now thinking of getting whatever comes in 2019, however I have the feeling the 2020 model will be something special.

The protruding camera on the rear of all the recent handsets suggests the designers are assuming everyone is going to use a case of some kind.

Agree. I have the P3 and without a case the lens(s) of the camera would be resting on the surface you place it on. Have 3 iPhones in the house. The failure rate is very high and all of them have problems around the 18 month mark (as did the previous ones) My S7 (ex work phone) lasted more than twice the time of any of the dozen or so iPhones that my family have had without needing to carry a battery pack around!

My work 6s battery failed and they replaced it with an 8.  The 8 is like a super fast 6 with great battery life yet it keeps the smaller pocket friendly form factor. I’m not tempted into an expensive iPhone personally yet Mrs K 6’s is tatty and starting to fail its second battery, so we may look at a Black Friday deal on an old model XR.

Paying near £1000 for a phone is abhorrent to me, and if my S8 which has been good internally if not fragile externally fails I won’t be looking further than a £250 Android replacement.  I am however not a heavy user.

I have an Xs Max. The face ID is brilliant, Battery has never been less than 40% at the end of a days heavy use.

Battery has never been less than 40% at the end of a days heavy use.

Wait until its around 18 months old 🙂

I expected this to be at the top this morning!

So, iPhone 11 replaces the XR, then you have two pro models.  A compass, always on and Ti bracelets on the watch 5, a new base level iPad and a more laptop like iPad iOS.

Meh... my X is still going well, I’ll wait till they do a 5G one.

Meh

New Pro phone looks great... triple camera system & significantly better battery. Definitely want a new Watch, always on display solves a minor problem with the current one (screen going off if you try to show someone else the display!). Not sure I can justify the bling Ti version though!

No real surprises for me, pretty much exactly as expected. The new camera looks awesome though, and there's a few new feature that look good.

I think I'm going to get a pro, if it lasts me 5 or 6 years like my 6 then I'll be happy enough.

Anyone know if the 11 is smaller than the XR? The XR is massive.

Top tip; don't bother buying the iPhone 11. Impress your friends and save money by simply typing 'sent from my iPhone 11' at the end of all your emails.
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Sent from my iPhone 11

Having just read the Apple blurb on their website... it looks like a good phone to upgrade to in a couple of years.

said everyone trying to look cool, about every Apple release, ever 😂

Oh I’m a fully paid up apple fanboi, it’s just there doesn’t seem to be any big (Relatively speaking) steps forward with this release, compared to previous ones.

Specs here P-Jay

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/compare-mobile-phones/Apple-iPhone-11-vs-Apple-iPhone-XR

not even 5G ready then?

No not this time I'd guess they don't think it's necessary yet.

XR is slightly overweight at 194gr, after 7 it feels too heavy and large so 11 is the same.
Fortunately mine is a company phone and I only have 19 months before lease expires.

No not this time I’d guess they don’t think it’s necessary yet.

No, they couldn't get the 5g modem to work properly in time for the release.

(but it's probably not necessary anyway!)

I took my old SE for a new battery at the apple store last week, and they broke it. So they gave me a brand new one! So that's me sorted for the next 2-3 years, it fits in my pocket and does everything I need....

Some nice stuff announced, but nothing to really tempt me away from my 6s.

Surely the first thing you do when you get a new phone is get a case for it? All the top end phones I’ve handled are (relatively) heavy and slippery.

When the iphone X first came out I was working on an advert shoot for a luxury car that had features that integrated with a phone app. So we had a brand new X as a prop. I was in charge of the props generally and this brand new, one-of-the-few in the country phone in particular, that the days shooting was dependent on.. Looking after it was pretty much my only job for the next couple of hours - make sure its available when needed, hide in the back of the car while shooting and wipe the finger prints off between shots.

It was handed to me, carefully.   I immediately dropped it.

Have an XS for work which has been nice, we are due upgrades next month & looks like they will give us the Pro. No idea why, these are fine.

I moved from an iphone6 to an S9 18 months ago on mt own phone, Which felt like a big upgrade, the XS is nice though, I like the Apple OS, as im not a tech nerd, im probably your typical user. Having one of each is a bit of a challenge sometimes. If I can keep my old XS i might put my sim in it, feel like i prefer it to the Galaxy (which was a significant improvement on my old work phone which was a Galaxy 7).

Meh, its all cyclical. Their 0% schemes probably make the most sense now with a sim only contract.

XR is slightly overweight at 194gr, after 7 it feels too heavy and large so 11 is the same.
Fortunately mine is a company phone and I only have 19 months before lease expires.

Weight's not such an issue for me, what with being double hard and triple tough and all that, but the one thing that irked me slightly when my Wife bought Her's was the way they scale all the photos of them to look the same size. She, like a lot of people I think assumed the XR was the same chassis as an X, only with more modest screen / CPU or whatever, but they're absolutely massive.

I bought the bullet early last year and went for an iPhone 8. It's actually not too bad but took a little while to get used to it after the 950 I had before it. A little later we got an iPhone 7 for my wife to replace her SE. She has not been a happy bunny with it. Loved her SE but this one has been a bit rubbish really. Networking and switching between the mobile network and wifi is pretty tardy and she regularly gets to the point of wanting to throw it out the window. Will try a factory reset on it but not convinced it fix all of its ailments. The Apple diagnostics have supposedly proved that the hardware is ok but the experience is still sub standard. The new 11 does look quite nice but is still (even for the standard 11) a bit eye watering. And quite big for small hands. Wifey loved the form factor of the SE and has got used to the 7 but I think the 11 is a bit bigger still

Possibly a Garmin is better if you want one of the specific sporty features, otherwise I just can’t see it. Also I’m assuming the software is crap like with all Garmins

Slightly OT - For me the Garmins can keep the buggy software as long as they have a battery with a useable charge cycle I’ll stick with them. For me there is zero appeal in a watch that needs removing to charge every day.

Have 3 iPhones in the house. The failure rate is very high and all of them have problems around the 18 month mark (as did the previous ones)

Never had a problem with my 3G, the subsequent 4G had a shonky home button, but it’s upstairs and still working, the 5G that replaced that would probably still be working if I hadn’t lost it along with a bag full of other stuff, and my five year old 6+ is only now starting to show some issues, it has developed a habit of freezing, but it may be a recent OS update, it may just need a factory reset.
Whatever, I’ll be updating to an 11 Pro, specifically because of the camera setup; I take lots of photos, having what is effectively 4x optical zoom, with all of the other tech that’s going on in the background will make a big difference.
Having 512Gb Of storage as well means I’ll finally be able to carry my entire music library with me - I don’t do streaming.

not even 5G ready then?

You’re shitting me, right? Exactly what benefit will 5G bring to the average mobile phone user? Large areas of the U.K. struggle to get a half decent 4G signal, even 3G is a luxury in many rural areas!
5G will only benefit those living in major urban areas, due to its short wavelength, it won’t penetrate walls very well for starters.
I reckon it’ll take at least a decade before 5G has any significant impact on phone users, it certainly won’t bring one iota of benefit to me or anyone where I live.

Have 3 iPhones in the house. The failure rate is very high and all of them have problems around the 18 month mark (as did the previous ones)

Currently 6 in this house 2 retired as I upgraded them 4 in daily use, no issues them or with the numerous from 3G leading up them. Although one I took back for the battery replacement program even though it was fine but that was free.

Why you shouldn’t even think about 5G for the foreseeable future...
https://www.imore.com/why-so-many-pundits-are-wrong-about-iphone-11-and-5g

So they don't think it's worth bothering with just yet, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that.