[Closed] New England Manager?

Who'd want to? Biggest poisoned chalice since LUFC

Gary Neville ...
The FA deserve it!

For £3.5 million a year I'll have a crack at it and will be happy to walk off with my tail between my legs after getting knocked out of the world cup in the quarter finals.

Thread prompted by ?

West Ham are missing Big Sam IMO.

Mike Bassett, of course.

Not entirely SFW..

Check daily telegraph. Difficult to see how he can stay on...,

Promoted by this perhaps?

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/26/exclusive-investigation-england-manager-sam-allardyce-for-sale/ ]England manager Sam Allardyce for sale[/url]

Looks like we might need a new manager sooner rather than later...
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Edit: beaten to it by Fantom!

wasn't watching but ITV news was on, looked up to hear the short version. Giving advice to undercover hacks pretending to be businessmen about how to get around FA rules or something?

Hilarious. The England pantomime rolls on!

Ok, serious answer to the OP. Errm...is Harry Redknapp still alive?

Sepp Blatter might be interested.

He's always struck me as an unpleasant man, and that does nothing to change my mind. It seems the FA and Allardyce deserve one another.

Ah I see. Well firstly he should be congratulated for slagging off Hodgson and Neville 🙂 That should be set against the idiocy of claiming he could circumvent transfer rules.

Well that sounds like resignation... Who was 2nd choice?
Give the MOTD team a go.

Wasn't Steve bruce 2nd choice?

Jamba - keep that opinion to yourself! Thankfully no one at West Ham thinks we're missing Allardyce. We're missing lots of things at the moment, Allardyce isn't one of them!

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I think he's pretty much screwed isn't he? Can the FA really have a man in the top job that will take £400,000 to advise people on how to break their rules?
Maybe if this was a historical thing, he might just have been able to get away with keeping his job, but they are claiming that he was still meeting with these people/hacks as recently as last week!
I guess Steve Bruce will be hanging on for a while before accepting any offer from Stoke.

he won't like international football, no suspect brown envelopes at the motorway services.

seems I was wrong 🙂 you have to question the FA decision for picking a guy who for all intent and purposes is a gangster.

I've never been able to square a reputation for being cutting edge science orientated manager and looking like a moody sack of shite.

I guess Steve Bruce will be hanging on for a while before accepting any offer from Stoke.

God help us all.

Gary Neville will be in the frame for the job if they get any more desperate.

You couldn't make it up...

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Steve Bruce? Steve Bunce more like..

Big Sham is a Sham. Who'd thought it?

Glen Hoddle? Or is he being punished for earlier sins....

David Moyes? He should be available shortly?

Wasn't Steve Bruce the only other candidate that they interviewed. Maybe they can persuade Eddie Howe to do it.
If not, Chris Coleman said he wanted a big job 😆

If he leaves now he'll have a 100% win record.

That's got to be worth something?

Gazza?

Maybe he believed he was not getting paid enough?

Re the comments on Woy, Gary Neville and the new stadium. Indiscretions or saying what a lot of people think.

On the £400K deal, I think that he did say on several occasions, "I'll need to run it by the powers that be" suggesting he was going to seek permission from the FA before agreeing to anything.

However. Given that he has had a relatively successful and well paid career and now has the dream job he has always yearned for, why does he feel the need to get involved in anything outide his current role? Greed, naivety or plain ego? Either way it sounds like a case of poor judgement at best.

Greed, naivety or plain ego?

Greed and ego.

He refers to himself in the 3rd person, as "Big Sam".

Pisses me off that journos do this kind of thing, though. Clearly a form of entrapment just to create easy headlines on an easy subject. If I was the FA or Allardyce I'd tell em to just **** off and grow up.

However. Given that he has had a relatively successful and well paid career and now has the dream job he has always yearned for, why does he feel the need to get involved in anything outide his current role? Greed, naivety or plain ego? Either way it sounds like a case of poor judgement at best.

When John Higgins (snooker) was set up he looked completely done in the video, but he walked away from it OK. I guess because he was widely thought of as an honest bloke within the game who had gotten tricked (in Russia or the Ukraine IIRC). Given Sam's rep as a bit of a bungmeister going into this, difficult to see him surviving.

Can we just sack off the (England) national team now? The FA are an embarrassing shambles, every tournament an abject lesson in misery since 96. We've got an exciting league to watch and I'm happy to watch the Welsh in International football.

Just no real need for it anymore.

Pisses me off that journos do this kind of thing

Yeah, bastards.

Making a greedy idiot look idiotic and greedy. It's just not right.

Pisses me off that journos do this kind of thing, though

Yeah, what has investigative journalism ever done for us?

**cough** watergate **cough**phone hacking **cough**Pol Pot's cambodia**cough** etc etc.

Of course, I'm not comparing this pathetic story to those, but "proper" journos have done some superb work.

Can we just sack off the (England) national team now? The FA are an embarrassing shambles, every tournament an abject lesson in misery since 96. We've got an exciting league to watch and I'm happy to watch the Welsh in International football.

I do think theres now an unarguable case for a mercy killing for the whole Engerland set up. Time for Dignitas.

It'd have the added advantage of not interrupting the premiership with an meaningless international friendlies where they grind out some spirit-crushingly tedious 0-0 draw against Moldova, but half the squad come back injured

I don't care if SA is greedy - the whole of football is, we know this. Which makes...

this pathetic story

...my point. its playground stuff really - England get a new manager, the poison chalice of football jobs which the media will point out with glee and then do their best to make it such. They just can't help themselves.

I really can't see why this is a big deal, it is a little bit embarrassing at worst. He isn't exactly breaking any laws. Typical British journalism, if they don't like something they try to destroy it.

No, it's because England football team are a bunch of pointless wannabes lacking in any talent, backed by an organisation that doesn't let them play/practice together enough, backed by League teams that don't let the team play/practice together enough, backed by a culture of backhanders, crooked deals, rip off merchants, massaged ultra egos with no substance, promoted to be "the national sport".

We could all add to that, but worse.. it's all backed by fans and an industry built around backhanders, crooked deals, rip off merchants and massaged ultra egos with no substance.

To say it's all a joke dismisses the underlying talent played out on parks on Saturday/Sunday mornings by 10-14 year olds.

mefty - Member

Once Big Sam resigns, who is going to replace him?

Berti Vogts

The press are desperate for an England team to be successful, yet as soon as a new manager is appointed they are determined to demolish him. England will always be shite unless the press stop vilifying the managers. At least leave all this til he's out of the job at the end of his contract.

I like Big Sam, he tells things how they are.

I like Big Sam, he tells things how they are.

Trump for England manager! (Subject to availability).

Isn't this just a ploy to discredit all England managers until Hoddle's comments seem so minor that he can be reappointed?
Perhaps the day that they select a manger with integrity, they will be able to move forward. If the dude was squeaky clean the press would find nothing.
Makes you think.

wot lodderz said

Berti Vogts

Craig Levein would be better, he wouldn't worry about Vardy or Kane, he'd leave them both out and put six in defence.

Wouldn't the most obvious answer be to sack the members of the FA and replace them first, serious incompetence in recruitment and management starts at the top?

As for the following points from the newspaper article:
Criticised his predecessor Roy Hodgson, dubbing him “Woy” and saying that he “hasn’t got the personality” for public speaking - True
Said England’s players were underperforming because they had a “psychological barrier” and “can’t cope” - True, and probably related to the UK press
Suggested that players who were not being played for their club should not be picked for England - This should be obvious bar the amount of foreign players in the EPL means its hard for any English player to get regular team football at a top club
Described the FA decision to redevelop Wembley as “stupid - Very True, when England rotated around the country it gave a lot of people a chance to see and support them

As for Sam, is he doing anything that really undermines his main job bar a little consultancy on the side?

Pisses me off that journos do this kind of thing, though. Clearly a form of entrapment just to create easy headlines on an easy subject.

I don't think they often just go randomly fishing - most often they will be following up a lead, i.e. information has come their way that so-and-so is looking for some income on the side / a load of drugs / dodgy sex and [b]then[/b] they lay the trap.

so-and-so is looking for some income on the side / a load of drugs / dodgy sex

Are we talking about Keith Vaz again?

The most interesting bit of the story is the fourth paragraph, namely:

Unbeknown to Allardyce, the businessmen were undercover reporters and he was being filmed as part of a 10-month Telegraph investigation that separately unearthed widespread evidence of bribery and corruption in British football.

So it appears more wide spread revelations may follow.

when England rotated around the country it gave a lot of people a chance to see and support them

Except last time they played a game away from Wembley they didn't get a full crowd. It also means that the FA aren't at the whim of a club, they can put on what they want, when they want.

the amount of foreign players in the EPL means its hard for any English player to get regular team football at a top club

Not foreigners that are problem, it is the English players who aren't good enough.

Britsh football press are pussy cats in comparison to the Italians

As for press tactics they are obvious, used by the fake Sheik all the time, find celeb wanting a bit more profile / £ - invite them for a few drinks, discuss drugs ask if celeb can get them some => front page splash about drug dealing. Sam should have seen it coming

From the coverage I've seen all he did is agree to give a speech for £400k and make a statement of the obvious that there are ways around FA rules. Allardice has been pretty stupid but it would be simpler if England manager had a clause saying no outside earnings.

Hodgson was a terrible choice, just appointed as FA felt Rednap was too much of a risk

Not foreigners that are problem

Yes it is the bloody foreigners to blame, if they wouldn't keep playing football better than us then we might win something.

Not foreigners that are problem, it is the English players who aren't good enough

Good point well made. How many top English players are plying their trade abroad? In fact how often do we hear of top foreign sides scouting out up and coming or established Englisg Premiership players? Not very often. Money is not an issue so I suspect that lack of quality has a lot to do with it.

#edit - not a lot to diasgree with in jambalayas post either.

Not foreigners that are problem

Foreigners are the problem, they keep beating us. All other international teams should only field English players, the we'd have a level playing field 🙂

The FA is completely dysfunctional, and not fit for purpose. Well... unless the sole purpose is to create a massive, self-serving, corrupt gravy train.

Just appointing manager after manager, set up to fail from the off, is just papering over the fact that the whole system of English football is completely and utterly ****ed! And the half-arsed, shambolic tournament humiliations simply reflect whats going on off the pitch

RE Foreigners, why invest in grass roots football when you can bring in someone who is ready now, plus an agent can get a fee?

Alan Shearer, Alan Hansen and Gary Lineker MOTD co-operative managers ftw! 😆

I'd be happy to see the back of the national England side in favour of Team GB. There's too much baggage with England.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Matt_Chappp/status/736869374221553664/video/1

Let's party!

It really would be too embarrasing if Big Sam gets the chop. 1 match 😳

Personally I think he'll get a good telling off not least to avoid FA embarrasment.

As for press tactics they are obvious, used by the fake Sheik all the time, find celeb wanting a bit more profile / £ - invite them for a few drinks, discuss drugs ask if celeb can get them some => front page splash about drug dealing. Sam should have seen it coming

From the coverage I've seen all he did is agree to give a speech for £400k and make a statement of the obvious that there are ways around FA rules. Allardice has been pretty stupid but it would be simpler if England manager had a clause saying no outside earnings.

Hodgson was a terrible choice, just appointed as FA felt Rednap was too much of a risk

for once Jambalaya, i find myself completely agreeing with you!!

The FA is completely dysfunctional, and not fit for purpose. Well... unless the sole purpose is to create a massive, self-serving, corrupt gravy train.

Just appointing manager after manager, set up to fail from the off, is just papering over the fact that the whole system of English football is completely and utterly ****ed! And the half-arsed, shambolic tournament humiliations simply reflect whats going on off the pitch

this is also spot on!

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Let's party!

Jaysus. All he needs is Pele to walk in and he really is Mike Bassett!

GONE

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Is that a record?

Unbelievable

Jeremy Corbyn for England manager!

Just one slight flaw though... The ball will always be getting passed forward down the left wing, whilst the right winger will be stood around doing nowt.

I'm not convinced anyone actually thought he would last his term. Time for the FA to stop going for celebs or complete no hopes. Get Fergie in or O'Neil.. Or one of those mad Mediterranean ones..

I believe the story will continue to run. A few club managers will be worried about the next revelations.

100% win record though!

From Big Sam

"Although it was made clear during the recorded conversations that any proposed arrangements would need the FA’s full approval, I recognise I made some comments which have caused embarrassment."

I'm surprised they didn't sit on the story till just before a tournament to be honest.

unbelievable ! what a mess, bring back king kev!

Makes you proud of our national sport....what next cycling?

State of that. The FA should just disband the England team for the next two world cup cycles - throw the whole circus into the sea, then dive in themselves. Can anyone honestly say they would miss it?

The English national game. The gift that keeps on giving! 😆

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Nigel Pearson should be available soon.

Don Revie must be having a little chuckle

Cliff Richard is available.

I could do it. Let's face it, all I have to do is ask for a 1-0 win in the early stages then for England to fold mid-point and I'll collect millions in pay as reward.

How hard is that?