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Its not just modding the car, its being able to have the data / information available to repair the car yourself. Right to repair. It should not only be dealerships that are able / allowed to repair your car.
I can sort of see your point, but its one that was outdated 30 years ago as soon as the first electronic fuel injected cars arrived. Engines are still engines, you can still go in there, rip out everything under the bonnet back to a bare engine block and stick an aftermarket ecu in there (or a set of webbers).
But as noted by others, the number of people who would actually want to modify it is probably inconsequential to JLR.
The legislation arround messing with a car's emissions might stop you, or the insurance premiums for having aftermarket modifications. But the engines still just made up of pistons, valves, cams etc.
the number of people who would actually want to modify it is probably inconsequential to JLR.
They were selling 4500 a year to private buyers of the old one - a vanishingly small number of first owners probably did any modifications.
From the look of it I recon it'll push the prices up
It always amazes me how many people don’t understand what a “ladder chassis” is actually used for!
(hint, it’s nothing to do with “off roading” or “beam axles” or anything like that……)
I’ll bite @maxtorque, as that comment may have been aimed at me. A ladder chassis is the more old fashioned, traditional way of building originally every, and latterly more heavy duty commercial vehicles. It’s the spine that you then bolt everything else to, and it makes a vehicle very versatile especially for aftermarket conversions, See chassis cab lorries etc. It also makes the vehicle very heavy as bodywork is basically weather protection with all the strength coming from the heavy chassis. A monocoque body is multipurpose so much more efficient, but vulnerable to difficult to repair damage as it’s nature is that it is thin walled. In regard to off reading; a ladder chassis is superior because of its strength; I’ve happily skidded the bottom of a land rover chassis over boulders that may have caved the floor of a monocoque 4x4. A ladder chassis also tends to have natural voids that exhaust, fuel, electrics, brake lines tend to utilise; a monocoque tends to run these under the vehicle, where they are susceptible to snagging. Solvable with good design and under body protection, but the former is surprisingly rare and the latter is heavy and impedes ground clearance. Finally, a ladder chassis is very conducive to running live axles (Although obviously most modern ladder framed vehicles run an independently suspended front end for improved road refinement) which is (arguably) the most elegant and simple way of gaining a high degree of axle articulation without losing ground clearance in the way independent suspension can do, but at the cost of high speed handling and road manners.
Presumably the monocoque can't be that flimsy when the basic vehicle weighs 2.2 tons?
I'm wondering what this will all mean about longevity. Isn't it about 70% of Land Rovers still going... but
1) This one has 31 computers
2) Auto computers seem designed to last about 10 years tops
3) How long's this new defender designed to last for then?
Anyone fancy replacing 31 computers on their 10 year old car?
Isn’t it about 70% of Land Rovers still going
No.
More like 70% have never been recorded as being scrapped. They just get parked in the corner of a farmers field and used as spares to keep the next one going. I could show you about 20 within 5 miles of here, all of which will still have a V5c in a kitchen cupboard, but won't have been on the road for donkeys years
I’m wondering what this will all mean about longevity.
A cynical person might say that longevity isn't JLR'd priority, indeed to safeguard future sales a degree of planned obsolescence is the aim.
Why did sales drop off so much for the old Defender? Was it that it was no longer up to job demanded of it or because thousands of older Defenders were still happily chugging along, stymieing the market?
Why buy new when there is huge aftermarket support available to keep your old Landy going, a'la Trigger's Broom?
Linky?
Much prefer that.
^so do most people in Australia that want a reliable car!
Neil (likes Land Rovers, drives a Toyota)
Ineos update on a 'proper' offroader
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/ineos-confirms-grenadier-for-reveal-in-2020/40983
‘Grenadier’ - FFS will it play only massed bands on the radio 😂 Meanwhile I’ve just (1 hour ago) put in what I thought was a silly bid on a fairly shonky Wolf 90 and looks like I may have won!
Oh aye.
Nice, like that!
"Vehicle shown modified for safety purposes".
I wonder what the extent of modification was and how much it increased performance, rather than just actual safety?
The cars used in the thrilling sneak peek are based on the Defender X model finished in Santorini Black with 20-inch alloy wheels and darkened skid plates. But due to the action-packed scenes, they've also been fitted with a roll cage, new bucket seats, racing harnesses and a pair of off-road tires.
But due to the action-packed scenes, they’ve also been fitted with a roll cage, new bucket seats, racing harnesses and a pair of off-road tires.
That's pretty impressive of the running gear is basically all standard spec!
Far more appealing than the latest Disco!
The cars used in the thrilling sneak peek are based on the Defender X model finished in Santorini Black with 20-inch alloy wheels and darkened skid plates. But due to the action-packed scenes, they’ve also been fitted with a roll cage, new bucket seats, racing harnesses and a pair of off-road tires
Just a pair? Cheapskates.
Fun advert, I’m sure it appeals to potential owners! No one wants to think they are driving a utility vehicle when they can pretend they are a spy.
The Jeep adverts in America tend to show healthy looking people driving their Jeeps to remote places to do fun things (when they aren’t promoting cash incentives). That seems like a more positive image to portray.
But seriously, unless you own a farm or a bike park, is there anywhere you can use the abilities of these cars (edit) on a regular basis?
edit edit: genuine question, not trying to be controversial.
Love that!
Was that Prince Phillip again.,
But seriously, unless you own a farm or a bike park, is there anywhere you can use the abilities of these cars (edit) on a regular basis?
I think they have a very high wading depth (much higher that the old Defender) so would be useful for all those roads I haven't been able to drive down in my small hatchback.
There has been an event at Eastnor for the past few weeks with a small fleet of Defenders taking a quick tour round the estate and then a convoy through Malvern to get some road time. Seen them drive past our home almost every day. Not quite like the above though, luckily. I assume it is their launch for dealers.
I followed one up the M6 last Wednesday. It appear to have no trouble maintaining 70mph or more. Even going over Shap. The very pronounced waist does look a little odd from the rear.
Did they accidentally order the wrong headlights or something?
Ladder Chassis versus monocoque chassis - use:
Ix = (a h3 / 12) + (b / 12) (H3 - h3)
and
Iy = (a3 h / 12) + (b3 / 12) (H - h)
etc. to explain why the latter is better.
Mind you to go off road I'd just use a mountain bike.
I saw one heading south on the M5 by Weston-s-Mare over Christmas. Was very surprised to see one in the wild - I guess it must have been a JLR employee in a pre-production vehicle.
Chief designer Andy Wheel. Tee hee.
Aussie farmer was telling me recently the flavour of the month in his area is the Ford Ranger.
Toyota do what Land Rover should have:
I want one ...
Not convinced.
Land rover a going full british Leyland again....
All their models compete with each other disco defender velar or what ever it's called rangey rangy sport.
Theres no definition
Took a quick snap of this in a driveway round the corner this morning.
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No thanks.
Boak.
I think I'll stick to my 33 year old one.
Just sailed through another Mot with no advisories.
Probably still be towing 3.5 ton long after the above "defender" has been deemed not a cost effective repair....due to a chaffed wire in the loom.
All their models compete with each other
So true. It does seem that the people who would be interested in, and have the funds to buy it would be the people who would otherwise have bought one of the other Discovery/Range Rover models if this was not available.
They had one of the James Bond ones at the Land Rover Experience nr Skipton this weekend, complete with fake spray on mud.
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But due to the action-packed scenes, they’ve also been fitted with a roll cage, new bucket seats, racing harnesses and a pair of off-road tires.That’s pretty impressive of the running gear is basically all standard spec!
Plus a team of dedicated LR mechanics and a lorryload of spares doing late night running repairs for the next days shoot 🙂
That youtube video thumbnail looks like they are jumping 3 early 90’s Mitsubishi Pajeros!
Boak.
I think I’ll stick to my 33 year old one.
Agreed. A good name, ruined.
You pick up your new Defender. Drive it home. 18 minutes later you've an engine fault.
Oh dear.
(Fast forward to 18 mins, unless you want to hear repeated use of George)
Best thing about that truck is the numberplate!