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Customer just popped into my shop, I know him fairly well and know he works at local JLR dealership down the road. I joke "must be busy today"... "Tell me about it, I shouldn't really be here right now, can't be long" before going on to tell me he's just got rid of one customer who just picked up his new £185k Range Rover (the alloys on it were a £5k option over standard! It had £4k of extra Range Rover Logos on the Bonnet, sills and boot apparently!!!), and has another one coming in 20mins to come and pick up his mere £135k Range Rover (this customer, no kidding, is buying this to "one up" his wife who just spent £115k on a Range Rover herself with the same dealership only last month!)...
Now, I'm a long long way away from being the person that screams "you could buy a house for that" (even though I just did, in fact, the £185k Range Rover would pay off my mortgage and leave me with enough to buy a very nice nearly new car myself should I be inclined!), that's not the point, if you've got the money then spend it how you see fit... But seriously... The best part of £200k on a drug dealer spec Range Rover, zero ability to go offroad (at least with the 22" rims and road tyres specced) beyond a school playing field. I just don't get it! It's like the person who walks into a Trek Dealership and specs up a "Project One" Trek, still covered in Bontrager finishing kit!
To each their own, but money still clearly doesn't buy taste!
Bloody hellfire, I assumed you were exaggerating for effect or having your leg pulled.
When I worked in Car Finance (admittedly 10 years ago now) the very, top of the top of the range 'Proper Range Rover' was about £80k - that doesn't even get you started now! I quick look at their site back when I thought you were typing nonsense thinking "okay, LWB, okay the most powerful engine, this will show him..." and Range Rover says... "Starts from £179k".
And they say there's a growing gap between Rich and Poor in the UK!
Of course PCP is buttons these days yeah?
Same car, £20k down - £3k a month and you merely have to give them £75k in 3 years to keep it.
a mate of mine sometimes works at [luxury uk marque]. Has some cracking stories of custom requests...
including someone who wanted mega-posh holographic platinum paint which increased the price of the car by over 100% (the car was north of £150K to begin with)
someone else who wanted genuine leopardskin trim. Which requires someone to pay the £10,000+ cost of the licence to hunt one of the ****ers before you even get started...
Same car, £20k down – £3k a month and you merely have to give them £75k in 3 years to keep it.
For a car worth £40k by that point. *CASHBACK*
In Tesco car park last week I watched somebody squeezing a Jag F Pace into a parking space. The ridiculous bloody contraption was so wide that she couldn't open the door. What is the point of such monster vehicles?
Admittedly, I've got a 7 seat car, but most weeks I have to move 6 people about in it at some point. And we can still open the doors in a Tesco parking space.
According to google....
F-pace 2175mm wide
S-max 2137mm wide
...that inch and a half makes all the difference
You're looking at it all wrong!
With the level of congestion these days they've just got themselves a very well decked out sofa😃
What about the second hand smart car I'm gonna pick up tomorrow how wide are they?
Isn't there a saying, something about "money cannot buy class..."
I work for an insurers and have had to look at my fair share of gold vinyl wrapped Ferrari and Khan Range Rovers often having been wrapped around a lamp-post because money also doesn't buy driving talent!
I bet they have a modest house too.
To each their own, but money still clearly doesn’t buy taste!
I dunno. Some of my old banker mates would argue that it does.
Whilst driving around in P1’s and such like.
One of them still drives around in a 2008 RRSport, that I’m sure hasn’t been cleaned since the day he bought it new.
Not cars but a guy who sprayed a couple of frames for me now works for a company that do super-posh house renovations.
Last week he was installing a front door that cost.......£150k...for a door!!!
Bloody hellfire, I assumed you were exaggerating for effect or having your leg pulled.
Sadly not mate. I had wrongly assumed that £80-90k bought you a license to look down your nose at the poor people in their ecoboxes too, but it appears you have to almost double that if you want anything on it!
Looking at the Range Rover options list is staggering. The real clincher for me though is a £172 battery conditioner... It looks like a Land Rover rebranded version of the exact same one I bought from ALDI last year for £14.99 FFS!
Of course PCP is buttons these days yeah?
Hahaha, try telling that to my Dad... In 2015 he got a Merc E Class Estate on a lease, they had a couple in the spec he wanted (but in White rather than metallic) at on paper, a good deal. He put about £4k down, £360 per month for 3yrs, then just hand the car back... Or so he thought... Of course, he did nearly twice the 10k per annum mileage in 3yrs (at 12p per mile), and when he handed it back all 4 19" rims had flat spots, the brake discs and pads needed replacing all round, the car needed new tyres all round and a full service too, and he'd cracked the rear bumper and damagaed the reverse parking camera in the process...
The bill he had to pay to "hand the car back" would have bought a very nice 4yr old E class with all the bells and whistles, outright!!!
I've got a customer who leased a new Transit van 18 months ago, planned on doing 20k miles per year in it. He's now done 60k in 18 months, and his mileage is set to increase not go down soon... At 9p per mile he's looking at at least a £5k bill just to hand the van back in another 18 months time!
And they say there’s a growing gap between Rich and Poor in the UK!
There has always been a gap, that's beyond question. I just struggle to understand why you would spend so much money on something so vulgar! Spending that kind of wedge on a Ferrari/Lamborghini/Porsche I can understand (aside from the fact they won't devalue like you've just driven them off a cliff by comparison), but a Range Rover...?!?!
Thats not to say cannot have both money and class, you only have to attend a Concours meeting to see the money some people spend on restoring some beautiful classic cars or the like.
According to google….
F-pace 2175mm wide
S-max 2137mm wide
…that inch and a half makes all the difference
And according to me, an occasional drive/passenger of an S-Max or 'Vignale' to give it, it's proper jumped up title - it's far too wide for typical NCP type car parks so you have to let any passengers out on the non-drivers side and hope there's enough room for you to get out. You can't drive down a typical town/village high street without a million proximity alarms going off or indeed pull out of a junction or reverse into a space without using it's CCTV system.
In fact it's much wider than cars thought of as being really wide - like Lambourghinis (Countach - 1890mm, Diablo 2040mm and even the current Aventador which is 'only' 2030mm.
It is a cumbersome yacht with wheels and if it wasn't for the fact the roof is pointlessly high (unless you're 8' 3") it would leave other road users agasp, wondering why someone had made a Mondeo, only a foot wider.
wondering why someone had made a Mondeo, only a foot wider.
Don’t google the width of a Mondeo
Your head might explode
Don’t google the width of a Mondeo
Your head might explode
Unless my Googlefu as let me down, it's 11 and bit inches narrower than an S-Max. Yeah I rant and rave, but do I like to at least base some of it on fact 😉
Friend of mine used to work for an interior decoration place that had international footballers as clients.
This is how I know Fendi make a bed headboard, and charge more than my house is worth for it.
Nope : 2121 mm ( all dimensions stated are including mirrors)
Nope : 2121 mm ( all dimensions stated are including mirrors)
Great, another 'too big car'. IMHO of course.
Don’t google the width of a Mondeo
Your head might explode
Rented an estate in Germany (should that be wagen) last week in Germany and getting it into and out the underground car park of the apartment was challenging.
but MBoy, that rangy looks lovely on my driveway
I passed a mark V Cortina on the M8 last week.
It was standard large family-sized car when I was a kid. My Dad had one.
It was tiny. It was literally dwarfed by the other vehicles on the road.
So is it us that has gotten fatter, or the cars so full of soft touch plastics and airbags and damage prevention tie rods n’such?
You can still buy tiny cars, bloke over the road has a Citroen c2 thing it’s teeny.
Clearly the money is out there, and a market for Big RR’s and such, you’ve just got to look at the Bentley Bentallegro and the Maserati Lavant (SDowns s****) and the Audi Q7&8’s ..
£3k a month is nothing on a PCP these days. You might not like that fact at all 🤷♂️
The C2 is indeed teeny - but it's only 4cm shorter than a Mk1 Golf, and it's 5cm wider.
Citroen c2 thing it’s teeny.
Just about the same width of a Cortina MkV.
£3k a month is nothing on a PCP these days.
Yeah that's only the equivalent of a £50k salary monthly take home.
That haven't made a Citroen C2 for about 10yrs now, so unlikely you can still buy a new one.
A Citroen C1 on the otherhand..............................
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According to google….
F-pace 2175mm wide
S-max 2137mm wide
…that inch and a half makes all the difference
But the door are relatively short, so you can open them.
A Mini Countryman is bigger than an Austin Maxi.
but MBoy, that rangy looks lovely on my driveway
Like I said... Money doesn't buy taste!
£3k a month is nothing on a PCP these days. You might not like that fact at all
In London, I can well believe that... In Droitwich...? I'm in the wrong business!
£229k is the most I could get to 😀
Tbh I’d really like a wireless charging cup holder. Monogrammed, illuminated tread plates, less so.
I was watching a carwow video on YouTube recently and the very amiable Mat Watson (they should get him on Top Gear) was reviewing a McLaren 720S Spider.
Base cost £237K. The one supplied to them for the review had almost £100K of optional extras, taking the total cost to £330K. Crazy!
Okay, so it can do 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. But my £5k motorbike ain't far behind and at that price, I could have 66 of them!
Okay, so it can do 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. But my £5k motorbike ain’t far behind and at that price, I could have 66 of them!
True, but half of the point of owning one is just because you can afford it, the remainder is because humans like nice stuff.
Same with your motorbike, you could have bought a knackered GS500 and probably still been within a second of whatever you have to 60.
Okay, so it can do 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. But my £5k motorbike ain’t far behind and at that price, I could have 66 of them!
My £6k motorbike is that quick... And dare I suggest for say £10k you can pick up a year old 1000cc SuperBike with 200bhp now that will be quicker!
I don't think that's necessarily the point with something like the McLaren though... Probably still wouldn't spend my money on one (even if I was lucky enough to be able to afford one), but I get why people do.
A bloody Range Rover though...?!?!
Tbh I’d really like a wireless charging cup holder.
Agreed, However... I'm expecting the price you and I are willing to pay for said accessory in a car is significantly less than someone who is speccing up a brand new Range Rover to the price of a decent 3 bedroom semi round where I live!
Amatuers.
This is how you spend properly on a Rangie.
True, but half of the point of owning one is just because you can afford it, the remainder is because humans like nice stuff.
I don’t think that’s necessarily the point with something like the McLaren though… Probably still wouldn’t spend my money on one (even if I was lucky enough to be able to afford one), but I get why people do.
True, I get your points. If I was minted I'd have a McLaren 😉 But that's just a pipe dream - and it's when cars cost more than the average house, it really hits home!
Amatuers.
This is how you spend properly on a Rangie.
I used to work just down the road from Overfinch in Cov about 12 years ago. I had (incorrectly) assumed that's what my customer had sold to his!
In Tesco car park last week I watched somebody squeezing a Jag F Pace into a parking space. The ridiculous bloody contraption was so wide that she couldn’t open the door. What is the point of such monster vehicles?
Car park spaces follow dimensions laid down around 1992! Cars were much smaller then, they didn’t have a list of safety regs long enough to fill a book the size of a modern science fantasy novel to contend with, covering front, rear and side impact protection, airbags stuffed into practically every available part of the interior structure...
An F-Pace isn’t that big a vehicle, especially compared to something like a Q7, I haven’t googled dimensions but it looks closer to a Sportage or Tucson.
Certainly a lot smaller than a VW T4 or 5...
What is the point of such monster vehicles?
To make themselves feel superior to us mere peasants. I quite like all these huge cars on the road, it makes it much easier to spot the bellends.
"Amatuers.
This is how you spend properly on a Rangie"
That over Finch is the perfect example of how money can't buy class.
GlennQuagmire
my £5k motorbike ain’t far behind
Until you reach a corner or have to brake!
That over Finch is the perfect example of how money can’t buy class.
No such thing as a classy SUV, especially a 'premium' one.
All utterly pointless and tasteless, unless you have to drive off road or tow something.
As Dolly Parton once said It costs a lot of money to look this trashy 😎
An F-Pace isn’t that big a vehicle, especially compared to something like a Q7, I haven’t googled dimensions but it looks closer to a Sportage or Tucson.
Indeed my Jeep Grand Cherokee is 2239mm wide, don't have that many issues parking it but then I tend to park the far side of a car park away from others.
If I had that kind of cash to spend on a 4x4 it would be one of these.
Anyway, Mboy, on to more pertinent questions, whats the salesman spending his commission on?
Anyway, Mboy, on to more pertinent questions, whats the salesman spending his commission on?
A discounted 29er tyre, and I set it up tubeless for him!
He is the last of the big spenders, he really is...
My skoda got a wireless charging pad! No monogramming though... I feel cheated
On the subject of car sizes, I took this photo a few weeks ago to show how small a family car used to be compared to modern cars.
I'd hardly call a mini representative, even by the standards of the day it was small!
Better comparison is modern car and Mk1 model above, I saw a Mk8 Civic years ago that was significantly bigger than the Mk1 Accord it was following.
Bloke down the road has an overfinch RRS.
I do often wonder, as I pull out of my cul-de-sac and glance across to it, “how many times a day does he fill it up?”
🤷♂️
This documentary about Bentley is worth a viewing
They have a 'secret upgrades department' that quickly puts this piffling Range Rover nonsense into perspective, and proves beyond reasonable doubt that money most certainly can't buy you taste or class. A Saudi prince who wants his handmade interior studded with actual diamonds? Certainly sir! No problem!
But lets just take a moment to marvel at peak vulgarity. Footballers. Stephen Ireland paid 260 grand for this beauty for his wife, including monogrammed red leather seats
@perchy I see a Father Ted discussion looming...
An F-Pace isn’t that big a vehicle, especially compared to something like a Q7, I haven’t googled dimensions but it looks closer to a Sportage or Tucson.
Certainly a lot smaller than a VW T4 or 5
A VW T4 is 1840mm wide and the F-pace is 1936 wide. So the T4 is 96mm narrower
The F-pace is also 25mm longer than a T4.
I don’t have any issues parking and using a T4 as a daily drive. Although decent mirrors help.
Was thinking about this this morning, I think most folk not in the know about how mind bogglingly expensive these RRs are, think they are in the 60-80k bracket, so is spending super mega money, on what is not a rare or overly ostentatious car (like a roller or lambo for example), actually a little more tasteful/restrained?
Whoa! that WAG's Bentley in truly hideous. TBF, footballers get crazy money, they're young, under a lot of scrutiny and working/living in a very laddish/materialistic environment. It's hardly surprising there's an element of one-upmanship and they choose to spaff a ton of money on cars. That one Binners posted is gopping though 😂
Or for the more frugal, you can wait 4 years and pick up a Vogue for £35k with 50k miles. That’s quite some depreciation. Not that anyone spending £180k would worry about such things, let alone discuss them.
Saw a mate on FB picking up his new Lamborghini spider on Friday. Got to be £200k minimum!
I did quite like Balotelli's Bentley paintjob, just for the shear daftness of it. A sort of anti-bling
The people that I know that run range rovers have them on the 'business' and it's all offset against tax - more you spend, less you pay.
@DJ Surely the BIK would be shocking, better to take a dividend and buy one yourself, charge for milage? Tax is such a minefield, even HMRC can't get it right.
The people that I know that run range rovers have them on the ‘business’ and it’s all offset against tax – more you spend, less you pay.
The business still has to make enough (spare) cash to cover the cost of it though, even if you are writing it off against tax!
Exactly
PCP deals aren’t as bad as you think. I was in a Land Rover garage a few weeks ago - a RR Sport SVR is £113k new on the road with a few options. £10k down and it’s then £1600 a month based on 12k miles.
That still sounds like an awful lot of money..
That's seventy grand, for three years use of a car!
Bloody hell! I didn’t realise it was only a trifling little 10k down and 1600 a month
Bargain!
I think I’ll pop out next week and sign us up for his and hers matching ones.
PCP deals aren’t as bad as you think. I was in a Land Rover garage a few weeks ago – a RR Sport SVR is £113k new on the road with a few options. £10k down and it’s then £1600 a month based on 12k miles.
Road tax? Insurance? Not being up on the next debt bubble that is pcp, I presume tax and insurance are extra?
In my world, a brand new RR Sport is not a priority, so I’ll look elsewhere to spend my spare £1,600 per month!
To be fair, I struggle with some more 'normal' car costs, even on lease or PCP.
Chap round the corner from us has his n hers matching Kia changed every two years. So every year there's a new top of range car (natch) on the drive. As far as I can tell, they drive to collect the papers each morning, that's it. This year's looks different as they've gone for a Niro, not a Sportage. Last year, hers went from Silver to Black.
It's all relative isn't it? There are millions (Billions?) of people on the planet who can't afford to eat properly, and can only dream of buying a second hand car of any sort. The idea of spending £1000+ for a bike for fun must seem like madness to them. On the other hand, people who think that spending £200k+ for a car is normal are probably amazed at the vulgarity of people spending £100,000,000 for a yacht, "you could 50 Veyrons for that....."
Fwiw, I think society's acceptance that it is fine for a handful of individuals to have the same wealth as the poorest 3 Billion people on the planet is only second to climate change in the problems we face.
I would have a RR if I could afford one. They are very comfortable places to sit.
Lots of jealousy coming out here in usual STW style - boring !
Their finances not yours !
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s cheap, is good value for more or makes financial sense. Just that it’s slightly more attainable than made out above.
My other half has a RR, all singing all dancing model and I’ve never seen a more badly put together car. It’s a lovely place to sit if you have to do a long trip but it’s constantly got issues and costs a fortune to fix. It’s also worth next to bugger all now being an older model - I dread to think what the total cost of owning it has been.
Echo the comment above about normal cars though - she’s in the process of changing it and looked at the VW wigwam or whatever it’s called. With the options on it she wanted it was nearly £50k! £5k down and nearly £700 a month...mental
My boss has an svr rr sport in Lamborghini orange, apparently the only one specced with that paint in the country at the time, that cost him 9k extra. It's one hell of a piece of kit though and sounds ****ing awesome. I've been in it and it just doesn't feel right being that high up at that sort of acceleration/speed.
If I had the money I'd have the svr in the full rr version.
Where i live there is a lot of pheasant/ duck shooting, including an italian viscount who brought a local estate purely for the shooting rights. We cycle through the grounds and have never seen any lights on in the 28 bedroom house itself. When you see the shoots here, you can tell who owns the land and who works on the land, been driven across a ploughed field in an Overfinch Range Rover with all custom gun cabinets in teak and mahogany, lovely place to be and you could barely feel you were off road, hate to think how much it cost though.
Did always get a slight childish sense of smugness as i used to pull up next to a Range Rover owner on road who thought his was the largest Land Rover you could buy, in my old 101...
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Given the food banks and homelessness etc we have, the idea of such wealth strikes me as a bit obscene.
Given the food banks and homelessness etc we have, the idea of such wealth strikes me as a bit obscene.
I dont think they they care too much about that.
It does seem that as a society we’ve made a conscious decision that rather than combat inequality and poverty, or even acknowledge it, we’ll just cater to those that have instead, pandering exclusively to those with money by delivering ever more crass, vulgar and ostentatious ways to flaunt it.
If you wanted to pick one thing that summed that up perfectly, that quarter of a million quid Overfinch Range Rover would be ideal.
It’s all quite depressing really, isn’t it?