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the private sectors willingness to exploit it.
Oh, and innate human laziness.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46152853
I is not suprized in da slitest.
The new md of the company we do a lot of work for immediately had a charging point fitted on the outside of the building for his bimmer. Bollox to having to go to that trouble and cost at home hey 😂
On the other hand would you charge your company car at home or put petrol in on your company credit card?
BIL is open about his c-class hybrid being nothing but tax dodge...
How depressing
Ironically he may be using the thing properly. If he also has a charge point at home (which would have been heavily subsidised on a govt grant) then he may be charging at both ends and utilising the full EV potential of his PHEV.
For those who never used the plug in but benefited from the plug in grant, it would be nice to be able to claw back the tax....but obvs unworkable.
@kimbers if thats depressing please don't look at how our money has been channelled into the supposed provision of a charging infrastructure and simply made people like Dale Vincent very very rich. Now that is really depressing...
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I've got a plug-in Countryman hybrid as a company car and others have the Golf GTEs, it saves a load of tax and that is the main reason I went for it, incentives do work. I'd happily plug it in at home if the company paid my electric, seems HR who run our fleet think that is different from paying for my fuel. HR still can't sort out a charging network to go with.
There seem to be some poorly thought through bits by government. If you plug in and charge at work that isn't considered a taxable benefit but if the company pay for a charge point at home then the install costs are taxable. There's is also currently no incentives to plug in from the mileage rates, I have to pay for private miles at the petrol rate.
^^ "incentives do work"....
Doesn't your post pretty much prove how this incentive hadn't worked and has actually back fired, or am I missing something?
What I meant was that incentives do work but if the rest of the incentive isn't thought through you can't blame people for taking up what is on offer. I'm sure if there were incentives for charging that would increase the rates. I'm not optimistic that it won't end up with the plug ins being penalised instead.
You could look at it slightly differently though - in a few years time (when those cars are moved on) the second hand market will have far more Plugin on offer, and typically would be bought by private individuals with a more direct incentive to plug them in.
Plug in hybrids should never have been subsidised. Should have been obvious to all that they are not a good 'solution'.
BIL is open about his c-class hybrid being nothing but tax dodge…
There were plenty of people on here and other cycling forums being quite open about their Cycle To Work scheme being nothing but a tax dodge...
@crazy-legs at least that tax dodge has health and environmental benefits.
@crazy-legs at least that tax dodge has health and environmental benefits.
Yes, you can put it on top of your tax-dodging hybrid and drive to a trail centre! 😉
Money saved in taxes = more coffee & cake!
You could look at it slightly differently though – in a few years time (when those cars are moved on)...
Genuine question: What'll be the state of their batteries? Do they trickle charge when the petrol engine's running or have they just been left to discharge and left flat?
I bet when they hit second hand in decent quantities then you'll find lots of people removing the batteries.
Thats a really good question actually and one I hadn't thought of. You obviously can't remove the batteries as they are integral to the various engine management systems and whilst on my non plug in hybrid they are always charged by the engine, on a phev they probably won't be. To be honest though, they will prob never be allowed to go totally flat and a battery stored at 10% charge say is fine for a long time. Its being stored at 100% that kills them.
HR still can’t sort out a charging network to go with.
Having seen the prices of installing and operating these (maintenance, licences for software used to log the use), I had exterior 13A sockets put in at work and at home and agreed a “I pay at home, you pay at work” arrangement. Result is that in 2 years, my leased GTE has done 40K at an indicated 94mpg for petrol consumption as close on half that mileage has been on electricity.
Still a little galling that the list was almost £35K for what is a lardy GTi...
I currently have a V60 diesel that returns 60mpg on motorway trips as a company car. It has to be changed early next year. A new equivalent diesel V60 (that I'd rather have) will cost over £130/month extra in tax over a PHEV Countryman/Golf/BMW 225.
However if I have to have a PHEV, I'm damn sure I'll be plugging it in at home 🙂
It was always a bung to business disguised as an environmental thing- not stupid government, just greenwashing
The whole company car thing is an anachronistic tax perk that needs reappraising as it just encourages people to drive to work whereas you should be encouraging people to look for suitably sustainable methods e.g. why shouldn't an employer be able to offer subsidised public transport or simply not travel at all e.g. home office / high-speed broadband? I know people who work in the city, commute every day and their partners drive around in the car. I've enjoyed the benefits of company / lease cars for over 20 years, but TBH in recent years, buying a cheaper car outright and running it for 5+ years makes far more economic sense that leasing / paying the tax.