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I get your point and its both true and hopelessly naive
I don't think it can be both. It's a statement of fact which you seem to agree with. So are you naive too?
I think you're confusing my point with whether I personally think it's likely that they took it or not.
EDIT I still think that it is A Good Thing that (as far as I know) a higher standard than "it's plausible and everyone knows they did it" would be required by HMRC/courts/whoever.
so the DM/STW massive who wanted to report them to Ebay, HMRC and DSS for illegal trading are going to be disappointed.
We dont know if they have declared it to HMRC or DwP - the dss was dissolved in 2001
By saying this obviously I adore the DM
the dss was dissolved in 2001
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luckily for me I have never needed them.
We dont know if they have declared it to HMRC or DwP
You don't know that about anyone. Or should we just routinely report our unpleasant neighbours to various Government departments, "just to be sure, you never know".
Mate you're being a dick now
Mate you're being a dick now
hebdencyclist - Member
You know what you could do? Screw with their eBay business.1. I'll bet they're traders but operating on a personal (not business) eBay account. People do this because it's cheaper but it's a T&C violation. So tell eBay.
2. I'll bet they don't declare their eBay earnings. So tell HMRC.
3. Bid on their stuff then don't pay.
4. Absolutely **** their feedback.
And you think I'm a dick! 😀
Yes. Yes I do.
what a truly charming way you have of dealing with the fact your terminology is 15 years out of date and you were wrong.I wonder how you would have reacted had i delivered it the way you deliver your views?luckily for me I have never needed them.
[quote=hebdencyclist ]Mate you're being a dick now
that implies there was a time when they were not being a dick 😉
no i think they most likely stole it so i would be "jumping to conclusions" 😉So are you naive too?
Our views are not that far apart but it is almost certain they stole it and I do accept i cannot prove this currently
that implies there was a time when they were not being a dick
Junkyard, the fact that you and a bloke who recommends reporting someone to Ebay and the Taxman over a suspicion and recommends trying to destroy his business, is very reassuring. 😉
I assume you are just pleased we knew who to report it to 😛
so, given the hoover belongs to QVC, if you go round and they fess up and hand over the hoover, does that mean you're in receipt of stolen goods?
iirc its only if you dont intend to return it to QVC can it be considered theft.
gobuchul, I'm sorry I called you a dick. I'm giving up smoking. I get like that.
Set fire to their house
If they complain just reply with 'Suck it up loosers'
'Suck it up loosers
Presumably with their new Dyson Hoover
To close the thread off.
Various people on here were correct, QVC and Police don't consider us the victim (it's QVC).
Because we had to fill in paperwork for QVC, they now consider the matter closed regarding our involvement. They have all the evidence and info now so up to them whether their fraud team pursue it.
I went around and spoke with the neighbours. All civil enough. They admitted receiving it and selling it but 'suggested' that it was part of a job lot that they had bought so they didn't see the label with our name and address on when the delivery driver dropped...or when they reposted it to the new owner!
If I'm honest, I don't believe the story and they've been found out. They will be watched closely from now on. I realised earlier that here is a police officer who lives further down our road so he'll be a good source of info in the future should there be further anti-social behaviour or suspicious activity.
Singletrackmind> Set fire to their house
No. Sell their house on Ebay, see how they like it. Solves all problems.
They will be watched closely from now on.
Christ on a Dyson bike.
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To go back to the original question asked, policing point of view:
As you never took possession of the item personally (cause you didn't get the delivery) then did it ever become your property that could be stolen from you ? Answer is probably no due to sale of good type acts likely stating that owner ship transfers when item received as described once paid for ( or something like that - would need checked ). You never got it , so not yours to lose, you're not the victim of the theft.
They failed to ensure the item went to the right house and so may not of upheld their side of the sale agreement to you, hence the replacement to you.
Which brings the focus to qvc still being the losers. Would they pursue it.? Up to them to make a complaint I suppose. There is an admission by the neighbour that they took possession of property not theirs and sold it on. Could that be construed as an intent to deprive? Possibly.
Still poor that the neighbour didn't pass it on. Totally at it.