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Can't argue with that logic.
I'll just leave this here.
I think we all know what Tom Cruise really looks like now...
(I think it looks ace, watched the original last week. Definitely don’t want to see modern day Val Kilmer with his top off though...)
I thought it was this by now?
I’ll just leave this here.
Wow, some contrast...
Wow, some contrast…
At least she hasn't gone down the ridiculous plastic surgery route that so many Hollywood stars do. Desperately trying to hold on to their looks.
Daryl Hannah
Top Gun: Maverick will either be awesome or awful. Possibly both.
Oh it will be both and that’s a good thing. I prefer Iron Eagle though because B movies are great and if you’re going to leave reality at the door you might as well go all in.
So a disaffected Iceman, angry at the injustice of becoming old and flabby while Maverick appears not to have aged at all, borrows a Tomcat and goes on a kill-crazy rampage. Our Mav and Gosling, after learning life lessons from one another, join forces to sort him out, then play a little volleyball. It’ll be AWESOME 😎
Allow me to reassure you, it’s going to be absolutely terrible.
Thanks for the input, when I want to read a film critique, I’ll go to someone who knows about movies.
Edit: when I read the thread title I thought it was about the AC130J gunships, which are called Ghostriders.
Looks well done but, it'll be in the Poundland dvd section b4 long
Tom cruise does look amazing for his age but Botox/surgery means the top half of his face seems immobile
I’m in a bit of a wind-up mood today, and hey I said I’d enjoy it ha ha.
Your considerations as to why it will be terrible going by the length of your response on page 1 probably took longer than the run time of the film.
As for who the baddies will be in this modern world, make the planes turn into psychtic robots or something, or make the baddie someone with laser beams for eyes who you could use as a metal spoon rack, or perhaps a Norse God. Chuck a Marvel badge at it, the same they do with other dross and it will do just fine.
Will it be good? Who cares, for better or worse I'm up for this movie.
Are they going to try and get Iceman back into a cockpit as well? As it's Val Kilmer it could be a tight fit...
I think it looks great and looks perfect for a few mates of a similar age to go and see it at the Everyman with a few beers!
Your considerations as to why it will be terrible going by the length of your response on page 1 probably took longer than the run time of the film.
It’s okay, I can touch type (badly) and I drink so much caffeine of a morning the words just pour directly from the dark corners of my mind via my finger tips and the internet into yours.
I’m a bit surprised so many people are getting their knickers in a twist about the legacy of a cheesy 80’s film.
Surprised but happy, right? JUST what you wanted. 🙂
Surprised but happy, right? JUST what you wanted. 🙂
Oh god aye.
I’m a bit surprised so many people are getting their knickers in a twist about the legacy of a cheesy 80’s film.
I am not.
Oh my goodness!
Tom Cruise is ripped!
Went home. Put kids to bed. Put top gun on. Nice.
I’m a bit surprised so many people are getting their knickers in a twist about the legacy of a cheesy 80’s film.
I am not.
Oh yes he is!
Oh god aye.
Then everybody's happy - result! 🙂
cant wait for this looks promising, nice touch where he puts the top gun jacket on and pulls the cover off the gpz.
Wonder if he will buzz the Tower again
Ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod – it’s the flying stuff, that looks SO cool! 🙂
Steady on, how old are you, 12 or something? (if you are actually 12 you should be in bed, have you seen the time?)
It may turn out to be an entertaining yarn with some good flying sequences & CGI stuff but It'll be yet another 'Americaay kicks ass' story.
Can't believe the amount of people on here who slag the Yanks off for sticking their oar in all over the world but love the films about just that.
When I first saw it in the 80s around about as a teenager, yeah loved it. Then my mates sister watched it continually for some reason, so we realized it was shit, along with Ghost. The end. No nostalgia for it. 😂
Can’t believe the amount of people on here who slag the Yanks off for sticking their oar in all over the world but love the films about just that.
Because reality is reality and films are just make believe stories to entertain us? Just a crazy thought, maybe I am wide of the mark with my outlandish idea.
Rocket League have been doing an 80s summer theme, with the title theme tune being "Playin' with the boys." Without googling, I thought the voice sounded familiar, Kenny Loggins somehow got two quite similar sounding tunes on the Top Gun soundtrack.
Thankfully, I can't recall the soft porn esque scenes from the movie when the above tune is played, would have been in my teens when it had its TV premiere and I think I've only watched part of it once since!
Thankfully, I can’t recall the soft porn esque scenes from the movie when the above tune is played,
It’s 3 (of 4) blokes playing volleyball with their tops off. If you think that’s soft porn, you have lead a very sheltered life.
I’d go so far as to say it was SFW, but judge for yourself
They don’t even kiss or nuffin’
It’s 3 (of 4) blokes playing volleyball with their tops off. If you think that’s soft porn, you have lead a very sheltered life.
Well, there’s people who can get off on the underwear pages of a mail order catalogue; anyway, it’s Rule 34, innit.
Because reality is reality and films are just make believe stories to entertain us? Just a crazy thought, maybe I am wide of the mark with my outlandish idea.
Yeah but no but the two things are linked, even when people are fully aware of the differences.
I really hope it’s not terrible.
Oh I really hope it is!
To be clear the original is terrible, but that's what made it good.
As mentioned (at length) previously it had 80s politics and social commentary (but then it was an 80s film) and it was a very much a visually stylish film (still is) with a pretty thin plot... And the man child in me loves it for that.
Look at it this way, Michael Bay has spent the last twenty odd years unsuccessfully trying to make films that sit in the same niche and bare comparison to top gun...
Top Gun set the template for the sort of films Jerry Bruckheimer would produce for the next 30 years or so. And it set up a basic plot that would be replicated over and over (young gifted, but overconfident bloke, seeks to excel in given field, encounters setback/death of friend, has crisis of confidence, searches soul, makes a comeback just in time) it's a trope that Cruise has revisited several times and still works... The original has a legacy that's still going.
I do hope they've not made the new one too much of a worthy post millennium piece and that it is more of a slightly tongue in cheek direct sequel to the original, with the same tone and jingoistic/hyperbolic boys and their toys type fun the first one had...
That or all the bits they've shown in the trailer are actually intended to mislead you, and Maverick is actually now a steady 50-something bloke working as a surveyor, who upon discovering he's about to become a Grandad has been sent into a massive spiral, and all the fighter jets and motorbikes are just the most spectacular midlife crisis ever...
The Final Countdown was better. Jets, a carrier, hot shot pilot, enemy fighters being outclassed, a girl AND TIME TRAVEL!
Equally ludicrous.
I was just going to call out those of you accusing the film of being homoerotic. After watching mattyfez's video I won't bother.
Instead I'll link to this. Written by someone who obviously missed the point of the film (Hollywood in general actually).
As a Navy Captain, he would be really quite senior. On a carrier that would mean he would be either the main chap of the actual boat, or the head of the air wing. As a pilot (he must have been an Lt in the first film), getting to Captain in that length of time is slow, but not bad. He'd have had command, but I think would still have been able to fly.
That's probably a win for a pilot that wanted to keep flying.
Instead I’ll link to this. Written by someone who obviously missed the point of the film (Hollywood in general actually).
I’d love to go out for drinks with him.
-No one, ever.
One little detail in the trailer has come to light that’s ruffling a few feathers, concerning a patch on the back of Cruises’ jacket. In the original, it’s in four quarters, the top two a US flag, the UN flag, the bottom two a Japanese flag and a Taiwanese flag. In the trailer, there’s also a large quartered patch, with the US and UN flags at the top, but at the bottom there’s a white rectangle with a red upward pointing triangle, next to a red rectangle with some apparently random design on it.
It seems that one of the co-production companies has ‘encouraged’ the change, due to the Taiwanese flag being deemed to be unacceptable, and possibly the Japanese flag as well.
Why? The co-production company is called Tencent, and they’re Chinese...
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a28479425/top-gun-2-controversy-tom-cruise-new-jacket/
I’m a bit worried that in all the excitement about TG another reboot may get overlooked. I mean who wasn’t waiting for this? 🤔
Well, that looks every bit as dreadful as I expected.
Well, that looks every bit as dreadful as I expected.
Nope, looks way worse 😉
Nope, looks way worse 😉
Yep, had it all written out in my head that I was going to call Cougar out for exaggeration.
And.. Patrick ****ing Stewart! After all the soul baring stuff over never going back to Picard, but then I read the script etc... and he bought into this???
I briefly read some of the twitter links related to this. A few self-proclaimed aviation experts explaining it by saying the patches relate to a more recent mission, etc. No. It's a work of fiction. The jacket is OBVIOUSLY meant to be the same one as in the original film, but it's been rebooted/revised/redacted whatever you want to call it to avoid causing offence. I'm not saying the Chinese demanded it, could easily have been an overzealous Hollywood suit preempting a situation.One little detail in the trailer has come to light that’s ruffling a few feathers, concerning a patch on the back of Cruises’ jacket. In the original, it’s in four quarters, the top two a US flag, the UN flag, the bottom two a Japanese flag and a Taiwanese flag. In the trailer, there’s also a large quartered patch, with the US and UN flags at the top, but at the bottom there’s a white rectangle with a red upward pointing triangle, next to a red rectangle with some apparently random design on it.
It seems that one of the co-production companies has ‘encouraged’ the change, due to the Taiwanese flag being deemed to be unacceptable, and possibly the Japanese flag as well.
Why? The co-production company is called Tencent, and they’re Chinese…
There was an interesting article in the NYTimes about how Chinese investment has drastically changed how films are made now ( https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-movies.html), including how a film like 7 Years in Tibet just couldn't be made these days (the director & Brad Pitt are forever banned from China due to their involvement!) as no major studio would have the bottle. About how there are no Chinese villains in movies any more (although you could argue that the propensity towards villainous Chinese pre-2000 was quite racist 😂). If you Google there are loads of similar articles... I found one from 2013 talking about how pro-Chinese scenes were specially filmed & added for the Chinese release of Iron Man 3.
Seems to be a potentially huge issue of censorship/revisionism that no-one really wants to talk about...
Seems to be a potentially huge issue of censorship/revisionism that no-one really wants to talk about…
Agree but it's not new. When the USA finds films you get a USA bias [1], when China finds films you get a China bias.
Mind you, I prefer a democratic bias to a totalitarian bias.
[1] See almost any war film.
You are right but until this particular issue was mentioned I'd never noticed or thought about it before!Agree but it’s not new.
You're right about bias too but it's not the same at all. Yes there are US-made films that are essentially just propaganda. But also there are always US made films coming out about US police/government corruption, criticising their own government, the White House getting blown up, etc. The same films about Chinese people or locations just wouldn't happen.
there are no Chinese villains in movies any more (although you could argue that the propensity towards villainous Chinese pre-2000 was quite racist
Ming the Merciless was intentionally so, I believe. He was "Yellow Peril" propaganda in the 1930s.
The nostalgia is ahead of the quality of the Tony Scott 'original'... But i don't mind that at all.
Anything to make me feel younger.
Top Gun is the poor relation to Officer & a Gentleman. Really surprised that hasn't been booted into existence. Sam Jackson? Too old?
Hmmm, I don't agree @rone. Officer and a Gentleman was a very different sort of film about a man overcoming his past (and a woman overcoming her status) to achieve something others thought unachievable. It was first and foremost a love story. Top Gun is an action film with a love interest. The only thing they have in common is they are both stories set within the Services.
Still, a reboot of OAAG would be interesting to see.
That's why it's a poor relation.
There are a couple of similar plot points and Top Gun has always been referenced against OAAG.
Though, for sure the characters and training story are different.
They're both love stories though.
Surely you are ineligible to comment on this thread? You did shit your flight suit at the first sight of a mig, well actually a nicely resprayed f20 tigershark, and turned in your wings as a result.....
I think we can all agree that, despite the soft porn element of Top Gun, it is still better than Wings of the Apache
Wings of the Apache
😯
Everything is better than WotA*. What a load of crap that was.
*Apart from Snake Eyes
Although only one is about the love between a man and a woman.They’re both love stories though.
Surely you are ineligible to comment on this thread? You did shit your flight suit at the first sight of a mig, well actually a nicely resprayed f20 tigershark, and turned in your wings as a result…..
🤣
Fun fact, Top Gun actually was the initial inspiration for my username, some 30 years ago.
Fun fact, Top Gun actually was the initial inspiration for my username, some 30 years ago.
And you've held on to it since then? Some would say you are holding on tight. Too tight.
And re the homoerotic stuff, even the opening scene includes the words 'bring it back hard right, help me engage'. No wonder Hollywood had a constant boner with all that filthy chat going on.
well actually a nicely resprayed f20 tigershark, and turned in your wings as a result…..
It’s an F-5E Tiger II.
It’s an F-5E Tiger II.
Yep, twin tailpipes would give that away, doh. My twelve year old self is now cringing as I wouldn't have made that mistake back then!
Slightly OT, but the F20 must have been built as an export model as the US had no need for it....?
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Slightly OT, but the F20 must have been built as an export model as the US had no need for it….?
Yep specifically designed for export sales, the idea was to produce a decent fighter / multi role aircraft and sell it to allies without compromising the really high end US only tech in the top end fighters.
But then US foreign policy changed and everyone just bought F-16s because they'd seen them in Iron Eagle!
And you’ve held on to it since then?
By the time there was any real need to change it, it'd stuck.
By the time there was any real need to change it, it’d stuck.
I only wanted to engineer an opening for the 'holding on too tight' line.
I have just had a thought, though, imagine if all the dialogue in Top Gun had been read by Kenneth Williams and Frankie Howard.....
But then US foreign policy changed and everyone just bought F-16s because they’d seen them in Iron Eagle!
When I was a kid, all the books and aviation mags raved about the F16, particularly in a direct dogfight with the Fulcrum. Turns out the F15 and F18 were both better aircraft. But then people used to deride the Tornado, but it was a far, far better all round aircraft than anyone gave it credit for.
When I was a kid, all the books and aviation mags raved about the F16, particularly in a direct dogfight with the Fulcrum. Turns out the F15 and F18 were both better aircraft. But then people used to deride the Tornado, but it was a far, far better all round aircraft than anyone gave it credit for.
Citation needed...
The ground attack versions of the Tornado were, I will admit, very good at what it was originally designed to do, basically dropping bombs on things from low level. When they bolted on a big radar and made it an interceptor, it was a bit rubbish, especially as it would have been up against specialist air attack craft like the Flanker.
All aircraft generally have a niche where they excel. If you build a multi-role vehicle it will, in my opinion, always be compromised in some way. Case in point... Eurofighter2000. Build air superiority fighter based on 80's/90's specs, deliver it way past the 2000's that it was supposed to be awesome in and then, when it is deployed fully, spend a fortune modifying it to drop bombs. Then sell the later ones to Saudi.
Sorry, ranting a bit there. This is not a place to discuss procurement decisions.
F16 is a cracking plane, but it's not the interceptor that the F15 is or carrier capable like the F18. It's still bloody good as a fighter though and I would say better than both in a dogfight.
What we really need is an Airwolf remake....
No we do not. Leave Airwolf alone.
You could do a remake of Blue Thunder, the premise of the film is still valid today, but Airwolf needs to be left alone.
You could do a remake of Blue Thunder
I'm hoping Cruise is on a roll and remakes Days of Thunder!
He could just do a melange of all his early movies. They all basically have the same plot.
Risky Cock Thunder or somesuch.
Thunder in paradise too, with the rock filling in for Hulk Hogan.
Blue Thunder in Paradise?
I've not seen a wrestler fight a helicopter since Pat Roache in Indiana Jones.
Actually, there's probably a thread to be had in this...
Trailer 2 is out.
Oh and put it on your TV and play it loud
I have a sneaking suspicion that the more cerebral cinema goers will not be well catered for here.
Can. Not. Wait.
F-14 check
F-18 check
P-51 - check
GPZ - check
I'm in.
Looks awesome!
One for the IMAX. The opening of the original at max volume cannot be matched though.
From the moment I heard the he's the best of the best of the best type voiceover I knew it was going to be absolute shite.
Can't wait.
I wanted to hate this so much but I cant.
Proper goosebumps stuff.
From the moment I heard the he’s the best of the best of the best type voiceover I knew it was going to be absolute shite.
The Men in Black thread is over there.
Proper goosebumps stuff.
Happened to me also!