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Luckily to have both where I am
Should they be ‘true’ commons? Not sure I want to see kids tearing them up on motorbikes and travellers camping on them myself.
...breathes fresh life into the thread 🙂
Hmmm...
Travellers camping on common land, like they used to do for hundreds of years until the 1950's / 60's. I guess that preserving certain traditions and histories is more important than preserving others...
review what you’re going to say before launching it on an unsuspecting audience who are being primed by culture-war hyperbole
It wasnt exactly launched onto the audience though was it? People really had to go looking for it with the intended purpose being it would then inform future decisions.
It is rather telling how the outraged cant actually give examples of it being forced on them.
Travellers camping on common land, like they used to do for hundreds of years until the 1950’s / 60’s. I guess that preserving certain traditions and histories is more important than preserving others…
The new tradition is wandering around a NT property clutching a disposable coffee cup while looking the other way as your dog craps in the undergrowth. Where would the dogwalkers go if the travellers were there?
The Times reports today that Restore Trust didn't ask the candidates they have endorsed before doing so, and some of them are not happy about it.
The new tradition is wandering around a NT property clutching a disposable coffee cup while looking the other way as your dog craps in the undergrowth.
😂 it’s funny because it’s true.
The Times reports today that Restore Trust didn’t ask the candidates they have endorsed before doing so, and some of them are not happy about it.
That adds some important context to the story. Thanks.
didn’t ask the candidates they have endorsed before doing so, and some of them are not happy about it.
Trouble with politics is you don't get to choose who supports you. But I remain sceptical that this isn't a ruse to get sympathy votes for these 'misunderstood candidates'.
It looks like three of the RT supported candidates got elected (although some said they hadn’t asked for the endorsement) but not Stephen Green.
They also voted to continue the ban on trail hunting on NT land by a large majority although that is a non-binding vote.
Min Grimshaw – elected
Sarah Green – re-elected
Caroline Kay – re-elected
Andrew Powles – elected
Sandy Nairne – elected
Guy Trehane – re-elected
The candidates for the governing council that Restore Trust have supported are Michael Goodhart, Stephen Green, Min Grimshaw, David Pearson, Andrew Powles and Guy Trehane.
I can’t find/remember who the one who wasn’t happy about RT endorsement was.
Goodhart was one who was unhappy that he hadn’t been consulted by RT
but not Stephen Green.
That's not a surprising result, but a good one nevertheless, fella seems like a nasty piece of work.
That’s not a surprising result
He came within less than 1000 votes (33564 vs 34402) of the lowest successful candidates score
Bump.
Anyone know who the candidates to avoid are this year?
Anyone know who the candidates to avoid are this year?
Philip Gibbs
Andrew Gimson
violet Manners
Philip Merricks
Jonathan Sumption
From their website to save too many clicks
All the above. Generally, if you get the magazine and the included AGM leaflet, then each candiates 10year plan is enough to weed out the wrong uns.
Although it's very difficult not to like the name Violet Manners...
Yep, she's clearly a character from the Just William books
Yep, she’s clearly a character from the Just William books
More Roald Dahl
By the look of it, just using the quick vote to vote for the five recommended candidates will have the right effect?
(I note also there's a member's resolution about improving walking/cycling access which the NT recommends you vote for)
I’ve been thinking about joining the NT, this sort of disruptive behaviour on the part of RT is something I’m very much against, so it might be an opportunity to air my views. Any prospective candidate who utters the words ‘woke/wokism’ is immediately disqualified.
To save me looking, who should we vote for?
@zippykona As far as I can see using the 'quick vote' option to vote for the NT's recommended candidates is the fastest way to keep out the nutters - this votes for:
- James Dixon
- Inga Grimsey
- Sarah Hollingdale
- Simon Kearey
- Michael Salter-Church
All of whom look OK.
Thanks, will do.
Have done.
None of Restore Trusts candidates were elected, all had about 45-48000 votes but the threshold for being elected was 77000
the resolution to improve cycling and pedestrian access was also passed by a huge majority
That's good to hear.
Perhaps shows a positive swing in favour of fair mind / open mindedness and a general reduction in support for the right wing.
(ok, so that's a sweeping generalisation, but actively moving to deny the past and gender issues seems pretty right wing to me)
poor tufton street.
Perhaps they need a new astroturf organisation to hide behind?
First time I’ve voted. Glad it made a difference. <br />Was the turn out up?
the resolution to improve cycling and pedestrian access was also passed by a huge majority
I wonder if that’ll lead to any kind of a rethink at Lyme, where they were talking about building what would’ve been one of the biggest car parks in Cheshire.
Perhaps shows a positive swing in favour of fair mind / open mindedness and a general reduction in support for the right wing.
I'm not sure about that. They lost, but really not by much, and they got close to getting their resolutions to change the voting process in their favour passed. I can't find the full results from last year, but I think they improved on their 2022 showing, so I'm still quite concerned that a third year of campaigning might see them winning.
Not a member, all the NT places I go are parts of the downs, and don't do houses and stuff. Wanted to vote this year, but realised too late. Will take out membership in time next year. Tufton St can f off
I wonder if that’ll lead to any kind of a rethink at Lyme, where they were talking about building what would’ve been one of the biggest car parks in Cheshire.
There was an enormous amount of nonsense spread on social media about this, I don't think many people had actually looked at the plans.
There are many, perfectly decent, ways of getting to Lyme on foot or by bike. It's not the NT's fault that the residents of South Manchester and Cheshire are lazy bastards.
Good point onewheel - would have to look at figures.
Results are here, together they got 30% of the votes
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/who-we-are/annual-general-meeting/agm-voting-results
A heads up the NT AGM voting email has landed. Usually the quickest way to keep the headbangers out is to use 'Quick Vote' to vote for the Board of Trustees' recommendations, but I need to skim read things to confirm whether that's the case this year.
Here is the list of people and organisation that Restore Trust are backing:
Philip Gibbs, Lawrence Goldman, Tiffany Jenkins, Colin Kerr, Bijan Omrani and Patrick Streeter in the Council elections and for the Georgian Group, the Victorian Society, the Gardens Trust and Historic Houses as appointing bodies
The Gardens Trust and Historic Houses are actually on the recommended list from the NT, the rest are not.
As @ratherbeintobago suggests, 'Quick Vote' seems to be the way to go.