[Closed] My puppy just got attacked... 🙁

BMW?

BMW?

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Close but no cigar for you today yossarian.

Poodle?

Glad your dogs ok.

was it a rooney dog?

Hope dog is ok and it soon forgets that nowt worse than badly behaved dogs
I am going for something big if you had to kick it that hard
Rotty? alsatian? Boxer?

PS WTF were you thinking of naming your dog after Molgrips

Kin 'el. As long as she's alright.
You know that you just need to say the word and we'll be round.
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Anybody care to guess the breed of the other dog?

PS WTF were you thinking of naming your dog after Molgrips

**** you Junky!!

What has been heard cannot be unheard 😯

Staffy? Seems to be the chav's dog of choice round here.

EDIT: beat me to it DS

staffy?

hope Mol wasn't too traumatised by the grip

Could have been anything?? One of the families dogs which was a terrier got litterally ripped in two by two greyhounds. And my dad once broke a dogs jaw when it attacked his puppy, I really wouldn't feel bad, it might have learned something from being kicked!

Chav pit bull?

Next time you walk the dog bring along a metal bar pretending to play fetch with your dog so if any dog attacks your little dog, use the bar to whack straight into the attacker's dog nose bridge ... that will kill it. One problem solves. Simple.

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p/s: apply the same technique to the owner after the above.

I'll guess Staffie or Staff cross, sad as our Staff is a very peacable creature.

Yep, it was a staffie 🙁

She plays with two or three of them that she knows - all lovely dogs. Thankfully he wasn't a "big" one - and the fact that he was flinging her by the scruff suggests that he wasn't going right for the kill.

You kicked a dog ? <evils from the STW pooch massif, "only playing", "doesn't normally do that" etc>

You [s]kicked a[/s] rescued your dog ? <[s]evils[/s] applause from the STW pooch massif>

 

I'm always saddened when this happens as the Staffie does get a bad press and it's not always the dog's fault. They look aggressive and fit the bill for the chav hardman but in reality they are very, very peaceful. Their strength and weakness is their desire to please the owner and therefore very easy train to be aggressive. 😥
When the chav owner discovers that the dog is not violent by nature, they're dumped. Not all staffies are bad, the wanchors that train them are bad.
I apologise on behalf of all responsible Staffie owner.

Oh ya ... don't forget to whack the owner as well while you are at it. Most are owners' fault.

on simon - Member

I'm always saddened when this happens as the Staffie does get a bad press and it's not always the dog's fault. They look aggressive and fit the bill for the chav hardman but in reality they are very, very peaceful. Their strength and weakness is their desire to please the owner and therefore very easy train to be aggressive.
When the chav owner discovers that the dog is not violent by nature, they're dumped. Not all staffies are bad, the wanchors that train them are bad.
I apologise on behalf of all responsible Staffie owne

I'm always saddened

Me too don - because I'll be a tad more nervous for a while now when I see one approach us - like I said though, she has a few friends that are staffies and they play fine together. As long as she has a nice playful walk in the park tomorrow morning, I'm sure she'll be reet. It's the owners that stay shook up longer than the pooches. 🙂

And thanks iDave - I did what was necessary at the time but it felt damn uncomfortable doing it. 😐

Honestly this really BMP. Just feeds fuel to the anti-doggers(that can't be right). If it were my dog that attacked i'd given him a boot you wouldn't have had to. Hope the pup is OK.

Confused look from a thorough bred mongrel with a touch of staffie somewhere in his genes.
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ChavBulls are generally not Staffies, they are often much bigger certainly the ones that are common round here are much bigger than Staffies. Gives Staffies a bad name which is a shame as they are nice dogs, not my cup of tea but nice enough. Starange thing is these dogs the chavs get to look tough are usually placcid as hell with people, but can very easily be dog agressive. Luckily for me my dog can outrun anything in that comes into our local park.

Actually, before the thread goes on, I don't want it to turn into a lets-beat-up-on-staffies thing. I was probably feeling a bit on edge when I asked the original question. As emma82 said, it could have been anything. In fact there's a really nasty BT that comes to the park that goes for anything smaller than it.

If it were my dog that attacked i'd given him a boot

His owner wasn't around - nor was there any answer to the phone number on the collar (I didn't ring it, that was someone else).

dogs should be on leads.

dogs should be on leads.

no, they should be under control

more non staffies out there than proper staffies.alot more..
and the chav dogs arent know where near proper staffies.mostly either crosses or pitbull crosses.

should be on leads where other dogs are around.

dogs should be on leads.

no, they should be under control

And not wear helmets or use electricty generated by nuclear power...

Or eat white carbs

Hope Molly's OK Deadly. Give her a treat from me 🙁

get mine on lead whenever other dogs are near for reasons of the op.

I found that my former Spud was better off the lead when other dogs were around, felt less threatened and dominated...

She was off the lead when it happened - just wrong place wrong time today for us. She's brightened up quite a bit now 🙂 It's the drugs.

Thanks everyone for concern though. Just wanted to get it off my chest.

get mine on lead whenever other dogs are near for reasons of the op.

I get mine off the lead, she reduced one ChavBull called Butch to a simpering wreck after it tried to chase her and she turned the tables on it with a series of growling flyby's. Owner didnt see the funny side for some reason.

It's ironic though, over the years, the only breed of dog I've never had any trouble from whilst cycling or running is a Staffie. Everything else nearly, inc labradors on several occasions.

staffies are great with humans though annab...

i know what they can be like,not all but most with other dogs so i keep mine on the lead.
used to be part of different staffie breed clubs etc,and just somet that is insisted upon is keep them on the lead. ...may be wrong but,i know one of mine is no good with other dogs,and tuther aint much better,great dogs ovreall but powerful when in dog fights 😕

My friend used to have staffs - he loves them.

A few years ago we were in a park enjoying the sun and a staffy went running past towards other dogs with the owner lazily calling it back.

After the runaway dog was retrieved (fortunately before it could attack anything), my friend had a bit of a 'word' with the owner.

According to my friend most staffies just don't get on with strange dogs or cats - if you own one, you keep it on the lead.

See you in the park tomorrow Darcy. I'll be under cover.

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I know how this feels. sorry you and the pup had to go through it. I took my dog for a walk ( staffie ) and went into a field. He was on his harness with lead and a collar. A Alsation came over and started to sniff him my dog stood completely still when the other dog started trying to bite him. i swang my dog with the lead out of the way of his attacks but he grabbed hold of my dogs leg.

I dropped my dog to the floor and scrabbled for the Alsations collar and guess what, nothing there. Last resort was to grab the dog in a head lock until the dogs owner came over and dived on him... I hurled abuse at him for him not having a collar on his dog as its easy to control them with the collar as you can twist it to cut there air supply.

truly awful also got chased by a Alsation on my mtb the guy shouted " Oiiii stop he dont like bikes". Surely the idiot should have him on a lead in a public park then?

When Molly's about 18 month old take her back the park and see if you can find it, then the dog in question will realise picking on a Border Terrier is the last thing you want to do.

Sad to hear that. Had a similar encounter myself with my mates staffie. The best advice i can give you now is to socialise molly as much as possible so she doesnt become afraid of other dogs and become defensive.

you should not feel guilty for kicking it and everyone knows you get good dogs and bad dogs and it is not down to breed. Never had an issue with staffs tbh. had a few with Alsatians [ including one I owned]
+1 dogs need to be under control not on a lead this one was ownerless so the lead was the least of the issues.

Goes to show, jut 'cos you're a puppy, doesn't mean life is gonna be all fluffy and bouncy and pink! Andrex have a lot to answer for.

Glad to hear the pups ok, similar happened to me last summer - walking GF's dog (mouthy Jack Russel) on a lead along a narrow pavement - next to a busy road, staffy walking down the pavement towards with no-one about. Thought it was gonna be ok - until staffie went for the JR, tried to pull the JR clear with the lead. Ended with JR hanging off the lead - with staffie firmly attached. JR was now crapping every where.

GF's kid is now screaming - so sent him to get his Mum (just round the corner) - I punched the staffie a couple of times but no effect. So i grabbed its collar and twisted and it eventually let go.

I now have bleeding JR in one hand and now quiet staffie in the other - and thinking well WTF to do i do now. Bloke comes out of the house next to me - and i asked politely whether it was f'ing dog - just shrugs and shuts the door again.

GF then appears and so starts knocking on other doors to try and find the owner - tatooed bloke appears at door admits to owning dog and blames his "f'king Mum" for leaving the back door open, starts shouting at his Mum from the doorstep. I am still stood, dog in each hand. I politely suggest he comes and gets his dog - so he just grabs it and throws it through the door, it yelped as it the floor.

We suggest he might contribute towards vet bill - he just laughed and slammed the door shut.

We told the police but they weren't hugely interested. To be honest i felt really sorry for his dog - he clearly treated it v badly and was the prime reason it was aggressive.

Dam thing needs putting down. Might be child's face next time.

Had the same thing happen to an old dog of my parents year ago in Exeter. Some fat lump just watch their dog attacking ours.

so he just grabs it and throws it through the door, it yelped as it the floor.

This is why that dog is violent. Staffys are strong dogs, unfortunately because of this the are frequently own by ****s as something to pose with and beat.

p.s. Richard Ballantine's book has a section on killing dog which attack.

I hate these type of dogs, staffies, pit bulls etc. I would happily see them all destroyed tomorrow

Oh no, poor Molly. 🙁

That must have been quite a distressing experience darcy. Have you reported it to the Police? Or could it have been a stray?

Do hope Molly will be OK, might be worth keeping her on a lead for a while until she feels comfy being outside again.

I'd have attempted to put a knee or a boot on the dog's chest or throat. Winning against dogs = pinning them to the ground, in theory.

I hate these type of owner. I would happily see them all destroyed tomorrow

Agreed, there are many people out there who should not be out there.

I heard that if you pull their front legs apart you can kill them. Thats always in the back of my mind as I walk past the shell suited chavy staffie owners in my otherwise tranquil middleclass park.

You got the contact number off the collar, yes?

Go to the police, at the -very- least I'd expect your vet bills to be recouped.

I'm not a dog person but I'm sorry to hear what happened, 's not right.

This is starting to hurt! 😈

You got the contact number off the collar, yes?

😳 In the circumstances, I didn't Cougar - I was too concerned with getting her to a vet and getting sorted - I'm annoyed with myself that I didn't have the presence of mind to get a number. Maybe, tbh, it was the best thing all around that I didn't. I'd probably have a few beers and send abusive texts or something. Appreciate your concern though - much appreciated.

don - no worries fella, you know how I feel behind all the messing. Thanks for the email - was in the pub by the time I'd got it 🙂

The thing that annoys me is that the dog is probably at home this evening with his owner oblivious to the distress caused by his negligence today - hopefully at some point he'll be visited with a pile of shit on his doorstep that he has to sort all by himself.

I rang the dog warden to see if there was any follow up but he said that because the dog wardens were all off duty when it was reported that the person who reported it was advised to call the police dog handling team 🙄

Just to play devils advocate for a minute here...

The dog had a collar on - did you really have to kick it as hard as you could half a dozen times to get it off? By your own account, it wasn't trying to kill Molly. Dogs fight sometimes, you seem to be justifying your actions by claiming it didn't later seem affected by your own vicious attack. Perhaps it couldn't tell you that it's ribs might have been broken, not actually being able to speak words and such like?

Just out of interest, if you owned a cat (you may well own a cat) and another cat was tearing chunks out of it, as cats very often do, would you hoof it 20 yards across the road?

If the other cat was several times bigger than my cat I would.

DD,

I hope both you and Molly are ok, Brian sends a few woofs to cheer you both up!

Border's are machines, they just keep going! she'll be fine most likely before you are!

Brian was bitten just above the tail last year by an Alsation, he turned and went "nuclear" and was hanging of it's jaw as it ran away in fear. I think it'll think twice next time. The owner had a moan until I reminded him that he hadn't even noticed his two large dogs attacking mine.

Dogs do play rough but I've never seen a larger, more mature dog attacking a puppy in play, it seems that it was overly aggressive and comes directly back to the owner really. You were, unfortunately, right to kick it. I would feel guilty kicking a dog but if I had too then a head shot would be ideal.

Hope Molly gets better quickly

Healing vibes

Scott and Brian

Our Westie got attacked by 2 alsatians earlier this week - got a call from a tearful wife who was with him.
The owner got his dogs off, gave them a whack and just buggered off. Wifey was too upset to think to follow him or get his details but I was appalled he didn't wait to see if he was ok.

Makes me cross that people can be so irresponsible.

Hope the puppy is ok - our dog is fine bar the bald patch where he was bitten but not had the bill through yet.

Really sorry to hear what happened, staffys really have been dealt a hard hand with the chav mentality. They are a fantastic dog, when handled with maturity and sensibility.
People, please remember, more children have killed children than Staffies have. There are bad owners like there are bad parents. If this happened to one of my dogs (or I saw it happen) I'd be calling the Police there and then to be collecting the dog, and arresting the owners!

On what planet would the Rozzers go and arrest the owners NikNak?

I'll take your devil's advocate card.

The dog had a collar on

Indeed it did, with a number that noone had answered despite being called by other people. The dog's owner was nowhere in the park.

did you really have to kick it as hard as you could half a dozen times to get it off?

My dog did nothing to provoke the other dog other than be silly enough to think it meant her no harm like all the other nice, under control dogs she plays with in the park. Just before the attack started, when I sensed that things weren't quite going to turn out nicely, I looked to the other group to ask them to call the dog off. It was then that they informed me that they hadn't a clue whose dog it was and that nobody was responding to calls to the number on the collar.

Once the attack started, there was only one way to remove the dog from mine and that wasn't to put my hand on the its collar and pull it away. A staffie (or staffie cross or whatever the **** it was) that's decided it's going to have a defenceless puppy for afternoon tea is only going to be stopped in one way. In the absence of its owner, it was down to me to decide in what way it was going to be stopped. If it had taken another half dozen kicks, I would have done it, regrettably. If I'd had to repreatedly kick its ****ing head till it was knocked unconscious, regrettably, I would have done this too.

By your own account, it wasn't trying to kill Molly.

Aye, that's true, I'm guessing that because it had her by the scruff, maybe it wasn't trying to kill her, but judging from the sounds, it was certainly trying to hurt her, again, if you didn't read the OP, without provocation on her part. Maybe it's the naive eejit in me trying in some way to find a redeemable trait in the other dog. The puncture wounds she received were 1. behind her ear (superficial) 2. on her upper cheek, quite deep, still bleeding 30 minutes, at the vet and 3. on her lower cheek, bleeding for about 15 minutes. This was not a play-fight.

Dogs fight sometimes,

They do. This wasn't a fight. This was an unprovoked attack by a much larger stronger dog (by my conservative estimation, a say, 15-20 kg vs 3.5 kg) on an otherwise happy puppy.

you seem to be justifying your actions by claiming it didn't later seem affected by your own vicious attack. Perhaps it couldn't tell you that it's ribs might have been broken, not actually being able to speak words and such like?

I'm justifying ****-all matey. I hope the dog is feeling bruised to **** this evening - but that's just me being vindictive. I hope maybe in the moments after the attack, the dog had sore ribs, maybe even broken and a sore head and connected that with attacking another dog. Whatever it's feeling this evening won't be connected with something that happened seven hours ago anyway.

In the moments after the attack, a number of people in the park came up to me to ask if Molly was ok. I was pretty shaken up, as you can imagine, and bumbled out something along the lines of being a bit sorry that I had to kick another dog in front of so many people...because everybody that had seen the incident was a bit shaken up too. To a person, they agreed that I had done the right thing - and on mature reflection, I'm still happy that I did. Both vet and veterinary nurse agreed that I had no other option. If it had been a fair fight, I'd have given Molly a few more seconds to stick up for herself - I'm no mollycoddler (excuse the pun) - or if I'd thought Molly had done something to provoke the attack, I might be more contrite about my actions.

My remaining feeling on watching the other dog toddling off was wonderment at it being so tough - it didn't appear too bothered that it had just been kicked into next week.

I wish I'd have had some magic word or command to stop the attack, but I didn't, nor did anyone nearby.

Whether you're being devil's advocate or just being an idiot because you're a bit bored this evening - I guess you'd probably know the answer to that.

On what planet would the Rozzers go and arrest the owners NikNak?

The planet Daily Mail I think. If they could see me the £75 though, that'd be fair enough.

Oh, and I didn't address the cat question, and because it's a pile of hypothetical shite, it actually doesn't need addressing.

Lol - fair enough mate, I was just chucking one on the fire before I went to bed, but I'll take your explanation - there's a fair chance I'd do the same presented with a similar situation.

Glad the little pooch is ok.

Lol - fair enough mate, I was just chucking one on the fire before I went to bed, but I'll take your explanation - there's a fair chance I'd do the same presented with a similar situation.

Glad the little pooch is ok.

😳

Sorry, a bit of ever-reaction on my part...obviously not completely calmed down yet 🙂

She was in good from when we got in this evening and is sound asleep now no doubt dreaming of slaying big dogs in her terrier world.

Oh and fair enough...but can anyone explain the tag... "neren t d" 😕

NikNak7890 - Member

If this happened to one of my dogs (or I saw it happen) I'd be calling the Police there and then to be collecting the dog, and arresting the owners!

I think you will find that no crime has been committed, Certainly no arrestable offence. If a dog attacks a human then police can and will get involved but another dog?

Because without reporting and/or evidence the Police can't do the job "planet Daily Mail" demand they do.
There are very simple techniques to subdue a dog (and their owner) and neither involve either a footballer's kick, or a boxer's punch.
A dog, even one that's been taught to to fight/fear every other dog, should be treated with sensitivity and care.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/a-new-life-for-vicks-fighting-dogs.html

So what crime is it then?

What should I have done NikNak? I'm in agreement with TJ here - no matter how pissed off I am with the dog's owner, no crime has been committed.

There are very simple techniques to subdue a dog (and their owner) and neither involve either a footballer's kick, or a boxer's punch.

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Please elucidate...

There are very simple techniques to subdue a dog (and their owner) and neither involve either a footballer's kick, or a boxer's punch.

A to the K?

I'll take your devil's advocate card.

If my pet had been attacked and someone decided that it was a great jumping-off point for a debate, I reckon I'd have told them to get 'ked myself. I think perhaps you're a bigger man than me and I take my (virtual) hat off to you sir.

There are very simple techniques to subdue a dog

If a dog requires subduing, I'd argue that it's not the subduer's responsibility to learn techniques. That moment has passed, be that fault of dog or owner.

If my pet had been attacked and someone decided that it was a great jumping-off point for a debate, I reckon I'd have told them to get 'ked myself. I think perhaps you're a bigger man than me and I take my (virtual) hat off to you sir.

I've more than likely been guilty of similar myself at times...

Is it that difficult to tell the Police that you feared for your own safety when dealing with a dangerous dog?

Still no crime.

Is it that difficult to tell the Police that you feared for your own safety when dealing with a dangerous dog?

"Yes sir, which dog?"

"uh, a brown one?"

Without a lead (ho ho), dogs are dogs. Actually though, didn't you say you couldn't raise the owner? Contact details on your phone log?

I didn't fear for my safety, just my dog's. Much as I'd like to see the owner punished (somehow) it's not going to happen. Thing is, the little ****er seemed fine around people, just not puppies. Please don't goad TeeJ into a dog argument. He's not supposed to even be here. 😛

Last comment then DD 😉

Under the dangerous dogs act, a dog classed as being "dangerously out of control in a public place" can be destroyed. The owner can be fined and imprisoned for up to six months.

If a dog injures someone, the owner can be jailed for up to two years.

"Other pieces of legislation covering dogs include the Animals Act 1971, which says the keeper of an animal is liable for any damage it causes, the Guard Dogs Act 1975 and the Dogs Act 1871."

Can't I just destroy the owner? Then both TeeJ and I would be happy 🙂

*As an olive branch*
If it had been my dogs DD, and in the heat of the moment, I'd have done whatever was necessary to secure my dogs; but the law most definitely would have been called, and the dog held until they'd arrived (or it'd have been taken to the nearest RSPCA centre).

In hindsight, you're right NikNak, but Molly's only a wee thing and I was more concerned with getting her to the vet and checked out...I did follow up with the dog warden but they had no information as they were all off duty.