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He announced this to me yesterday. "it's my birthday on Sunday and I'm having a few friends round for three or four hours. Will this disturb you?" "what about lockdown?" said I. "I know but only a few people."
"somebody might call the police if there's a big gathering in the garden" (they're Romanian and are big on bbqs). "no. Not in garden. In house."
I said "it's up to you"
WWSTW do? I know it seems obvious but I'm a bit afraid of dobbing them in as he has some big, scary looking mates.
id just mind my own business
I'd just leave 'em to it personally, sounds like he's at least trying to be considerate.
Leave him to it but keep well away from him for a few days.
& we wonder why wev'e had lockdown after lockdown.
Just leave them to it. I’m honestly past caring what other people are doing. Just let the idiots get on with being idiots
Agree with all of the above. My BiL is house hunting at the moment. He’s allowed to wander around a strangers house whilst they’re at home. Then the next interested party do the same, then the next etc. It takes the piss when people can’t even visit their own families or meet outside properly.
Just let people get on with it and do the best you can to protect yourself and your loved ones. I’ve barely left the house since last March and still managed to catch Covid twice. **** knows how
Our neighbor, single man, has at least 4 mates round as I type, drinking and karaoke by the sounds of it. Nob!
Ignore it. It’s not ideal but I’m way past worrying about what others are doing at the moment.
Thanks. I can't be arsed.
Here's an example of how stupid he is.
He has a wife and a 5yr old son. In November last year he suffered an MI at work which led to cardiac arrest. He was treated promptly and survived. He still smokes like a bastard.
So reasoning with him is futile.
Ignore it and let idiots be idiots.
Ignore him. Don't get close to him or the rest of the family for a fortnight.
Go ride your bike.
Sounds like a dose of covid would solve your neighbour problem permanently.
Good advice from all the above I reckon.
Just avoid any interaction with him for a while.
Nicotine is very addictive. A neighbour of ours carried on smoking after surgery to remove tumours from both her lungs. She passed away from a recurrence of the cancer. She wasn't stupid, she was addicted.
But as to the main point, I think I would just leave them to it. You could call the police, but it could end up with a lot of stress later.
Go round with some booze and a birthday present? Let your hair down.
Numbers might be coming down, but thousand of people are still catching this deadly disease every day, and hundreds are dying every day. We may have become insensitive to it, but behaviour like that is causing people to die. If you saw somebody drink driving, would you just ignore it?
3 or 4 folk I would ignore. 20+ I would dob them in.
He's been polite and checked that it's not going to disturb you. Live and let live. TBF if you took Covid out of the equation he seems pretty sound.
Show him a picture of your bruise and tell him it's a Covid side effect... That'll learn him 😉
Just leave them to it. I’m honestly past caring what other people are doing. Just let the idiots get on with being idiots
+1.
Oh & Darwin - F him.
(Remember to stay out of the idiots way too!)
My immediate neighbours, one of whom is a consultant at Addenbrookes Hospital, have been having dinner parties, soirees etc since day 1 of CV-19 - they had 50 people over for a 50th birthday party last year and people are always round for dinner / drinks. They are openly indifferent to the whole social isolation thing and just ignore it. Did annoy me at first, now completely used to it.
Would you feel comfortable explaining to a doctor or nurse who has spent the last year dealing with covid in ITU that it’s ok to have a party, because the guy is normally polite?
I would report it. If it was my own family I’d report it. I’m trying my best to make sure my wife who is medically vulnerable doesn’t catch it and I’ve no time for these selfish morons. They’ll be the first to complain if lockdown is extended and too stupid to realise that it people like them who are causing the issue to be prolonged.
If this was last year or 6 months ago, most of you would have been up in arms about such ludicrous behaviour.
Last time I checked on the news Covid hadn’t gone away and it’s still as shit out there.
I’m sure the three people who died (that I knew) and the thousands of others would love the fact that your utterly selfish neighbour is having a party.
A lot of you blame the government - look a bit closer !
You know the right thing to do...
My immediate neighbours, one of whom is a consultant at Addenbrookes Hospital, have been having dinner parties, soirees etc since day 1 of CV-19 – they had 50 people over for a 50th birthday party last year and people are always round for dinner / drinks. They are openly indifferent to the whole social isolation thing and just ignore it. Did annoy me at first, now completely used to it.
I would report to Police and inform the hospital they work at too. Monumental bellendery from someone who should no better and should be setting an example.
Well it is wrong, it should not happen and it should be reported.
But we are human and all the small indiscretions and bending of the rules slowly become normal.
We get tired of reacting to it, we slowly give up. It washes over us. Soon we cant give a Fk.
Lots of things in life end up like this. So do what you feel works for you. You are not responsible for his behaviour, only your behaviour. My actions in a similar situation wouldn't depend on what others think. I can only suggest you do the same.
Report.
APF
There have been plenty of medical staff who haven't been observing the rules for the entirety of the pandemic. Numerous emails at the Trust I work at reminding people to observe social distancing etc. after people had been observed not doing so.
When local lockdowns/restrictions happen (and they will because the whole country will not move at the same rate) - it will be the fault of the people who fail to report others when their area ends up behind adjacent areas.
It’s only half a dozen folk? No it’s half a dozen folk who all obviously don’t give a shit about the regs - so those people were probably not behaving sensibly last week and won’t next week either - if each of them gets covid at that party and goes to some other event and passes it on - suddenly you have a mini outbreak.
If you are comfortable that your area might be restricted more than others in a few weeks time then ignore it. You can anonymously report, presumably there are multiple neighbours who could report.
Don't report.
Sounds like a Grade A tossbag.
Hopefully karma will get the idiot, some people just don’t get it, or maybe because of this....he’ll end up getting it. We’re all responsible for our own actions
He's not unusual. Plenty of people have just given up, or think vaccination is going to solve everything instantly. Hopefully this won't mean another wave or the easy proliferation of a resistant strain which ****s the summer up for everyone, but hey ho.
A lot of you blame the government – look a bit closer !
You know the right thing to do…
Another insurection?
I'm not sure I can be bothered.
That's really Boris's great gift to the nation innit, Bungling, bastard fatigue and the ultimate form of national apathy...
I fully expect legislation in place soon so that we'll be able to just signal "continued acceptance of the current lot" at the next GE with a shrug. To vote for Kier's crew you'll have to perform an elaborate dance involving swords, fire and an ocelot...
I used to care about stuff, now I figure this is what the great unwashed really wanted all along; a light telling off every few months by a sort of bumbling, half interested headmasterly PM, and then to carry on living their best insta-life as we slide into the apocalypse...
OP: I vote you take round the gift of a Molotov cocktail at midnight, it's the best way to kick off purge night...
I'd report it as soon as I heard it happening.
As for the Addenbrookes situation- Holy Cow! What kind of people are they? I'd be straight on the phone the moment I was aware they were at it again.
Do they have kids that will be going to school next week and potentially spreading Covid after a family gathering. Not the kids fault but the parents are being very selfish.
This is why we keep having lockdown after lockdown.
People are so stupid and selfish. I'd report them. If you don't report them you're as bad as them for potentially spreading Covid.
I have to go into work next week with a class full of kids. I'd like to think their households have been obiding the rules but I have no idea how many have had party's or family gatherings.
Leave them be , in the grand scheme of things it wont make much difference. At least he asked you. Asking on a forum of mountainbikers 70 % of whom dont really ride much isn't a great platform for advice.
in the grand scheme of things it wont make much difference
Unless one of them spreads covid and kills someone...
in the grand scheme of things it wont make much difference
In isolation, probably not. But repeat this country-wide, then yes, it will be a massive problem. A problem that we're all sick and tired of hearing about. Report and crack down on this shitty behaviour.
RE the Addenbrookes thing: I've been there a couple of times since the first lockdown last year and will be back there in a couple of weeks. It's frankly a terrifying place right now - just as stuffy as ever despite the airborne pandemic. It's disappointing that a consultant would be getting away with living the kind of lifestyle that put all his/her patients at risk.
Romanian you say, have you not seen "Taken 2" (or maybe it was 3 or 4), unless Liam Neeson lives with you, say nothing and keep your head down. Gun toting loons the lot of then 🙂
I'd be phoning too, or its a slap in the face to the nurses and doctors who've been trying to cope with this pandemic.
But if you hear a commotion outside, dont go out 😆
Go the other way and advertise it.
A few A4 posters stapled to poles saying:
"John Smiths's Birthday party, 7pm, 123 King Street. All welcome, BYO!"
In my view, you've nothing to lose now because as you’ve mentioned it already to them if anyone calls the cops you’ll be the prime suspect. Just call them.
On the flip side I know what it’s like to live with neighbours who “apparently accidentally” make your life a misery if they decide they don’t like you. It may be best to ensure the rest of your street knows about this and is on your side, it’d help deflect the heat if they knew others were upset about this, strength in numbers etc.
I fully expect legislation in place soon so that we’ll be able to just signal “continued acceptance of the current lot” at the next GE with a shrug. To vote for Kier’s crew you’ll have to perform an elaborate dance involving swords, fire and an ocelot…
That got a resigned chuckle of agreement from me.
There's a lot arguments for reporting him while the party is happening. I wouldn't hesitate to report someone who told me he was about to go out drink driving or was going to beat up his wife. Probably won't affect personally, but might save someone's life.
I wouldn't report it ahead if the event. You might be the only person he told.
This is why we keep having lockdown after lockdown.
No, no it’s not. Stop moving the blame from the government to the populous. It’s exactly what Johnson and his cronies want you to do.
We keep having lockdowns as we have an incompetent government who reacted slowly and put useless systems in place.
All measures and calculations will allow some rule breaking in the numbers, because that’s what people do.
Lunge - sorry disagree. Yes initial lockdown should have been harder, based on science but no politician would have done that, indeed the opposition has always been calling the opposite and that Scottish witch has been playing a game all along.
If the party happens then I would inform the police, and I would be informing the police next time the consultant has a get together, unfortunately the hospital wouldn’t be able to do anything about it
Personal responsibility is the way out of this pandemic, but like a lot of things in modern life people always want to blame someone else and take no personal responsibility
lunge +1
I've read that the no 1 correlating factor with country's infection/death rates is how early and how strict their international travel restrictions/quarantining was. We are only now getting together a patchy system, it's laughable really.
indeed the opposition has always been calling the opposite and that Scottish witch has been playing a game all along.
🙄
Report the prick. Its against the law. I cant say I particularly agree with it all, but I'm following the rules, strictly. I haven't been able to touch the MTB since November, because it means having to drive, haven't seen friends or family since God knows when. My daughter hasn't been to school in months. Its ****s like that who mean this shitshow just keeps on going. People are losing jobs left, right and centre and the economy is screwed. But hey lets have a party because this crap doesnt apply to me.
Personal responsibility is the way out of this pandemic,
Only partly, but it still has a reasonable contribution to make, alongside vaccination and <laughs> test and trace. The failures of the government are obvious, but don't offer carte blanche for the rest of us to shrug and do what the hell we want. I don't really give a monkeys about outdoor gatherings, but indoor parties are royally taking the piss.
All measures and calculations will allow some rule breaking in the numbers, because that’s what people do.
While I understand you have to include an 'arsehole allowance' in your calculations, you still have to strongly discourage shitty behaviour otherwise even more people will behave this way.
I’ve read that the no 1 correlating factor with country’s infection/death rates is how early and how strict their international travel restrictions/quarantining was.
This is absolutely true, but there is a snowball effect, meaning that once the case numbers are high because your government ****s it up, it's even more important to stop gathering in large numbers as it is far more likely you will spread it.
Ask them if your Brazilian cousin can drop in later,they are over on a flying visit,love to party and are a bit bored with the restrictions.
Yes initial lockdown should have been harder, based on science but no politician would have done that,
Apart from the politicians in other countries that did do that
OP: I vote you take round the gift of a Molotov cocktail at midnight, it’s the best way to kick off purge night…
Don't forget a couple of snipers to make sure no one leaves the building.
Apart from the politicians in other countries that did do that
Fair point but because the initial response wasn’t hard enough, we can now all do what we want and just say it’s the politicians fault? Again personal responsibility
@martinhutch +1
Fair point but because the initial response wasn’t hard enough, we can now all do what we want and just say it’s the politicians fault?
No one here is arguing that though are they, just that the government has been successful in its divide and conquer strategy.
but because the initial response wasn’t hard enough, we can now all do what we want and just say it’s the politicians fault?
Not at all. But you can't blame people for struggling to follow rules that are poorly thought out, poorly delivered and often wrong.
If this was last year or 6 months ago, most of you would have been up in arms about such ludicrous behaviour.
Last time I checked on the news Covid hadn’t gone away and it’s still as shit out there.
I’m sure the three people who died (that I knew) and the thousands of others would love the fact that your utterly selfish neighbour is having a party.A lot of you blame the government – look a bit closer !
I do blame the Johnson government. The corruption at the heart of the Tories and the consequent public actions is exactly why the public think being a dick is no longer a problem. The Tories are to blame.
the Government is ultimately accountable. A few mates round as opposed to the 1000s in confined spaces of classrooms from monday deemed safe as along as you have fresh air.
Schools are safe message just because children dont get it as bad but stick teachers in there that teach multiple year groups and thats ok? Face masks in supermarkets but no mandatory facemasks in classrooms during the return after first lockdown? Eat out to help out just prior to opening schools for full effect and wonder why cases go up? Reponeing schools when the cases are at the same levels as in September 23th but with a different strain??
I'm not saying its right to have a party but all I see is dates and no data to support the smash and grab that is going on. They cant sustain the furlough mess they are in and keep taking from the keyworkers that have kept the country going
Happy Birthday Derek Starship's neighbour!
No, no it’s not. Stop moving the blame from the government to the populous. It’s exactly what Johnson and his cronies want you to do.
We keep having lockdowns as we have an incompetent government who reacted slowly and put useless systems in place.
All measures and calculations will allow some rule breaking in the numbers, because that’s what people do.
You can’t keep blaming the Gov for everything. Yes, they’ve fkd some things up royally. But you have to take some personal responsibility. Half* of what’s wrong in today’s society is down to folks sloping their shoulders & saying “Not my responsibility Guv...”
* I have no peer reviewed evidence to back up that assertion but you get my gist I hope!
But you can’t blame people for struggling to follow rules that are poorly thought out, poorly delivered and often wrong.
I'm more sympathetic to someone who drives a bit too far for exercise because they are desperate than someone who fills a room full of people and booze because they fancy a party. Unlike the rules on travel, the law on indoor gatherings is pretty clear, and the need for follow it is patently obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Yes, the government is partly accountable for people being dicks, but people are responsible for their being dicks as well. If you have a society where no-one takes any degree of personal responsibility for their actions, and thinks that you can just say, oh, it's this politician's fault, then TBH you don't have a society.
A few mates round as opposed to the 1000s in confined spaces of classrooms from monday deemed safe as along as you have fresh air.
False equivalency. Education is a vital public necessity, birthday parties are not. Also, I'm not sure all the party guests will be wearing masks and having lateral flow tests before they bring a bottle. Opening schools increases the R number, increases the risk of transmission, but there's a reason we're doing that on its own, and not allowing pub-going, festivals and parties at the same time.
Play a loud recording of police sirens and boots marching up a driveway and see how quickly the house empties, have some fun at his expense.
I think if the Derekstarship's neighbour is a teacher they may think differently. I'm sure anyone that has been put in a situation that increases the risk of catching Covid as a result of the so called Government necessity may feel slightly aggrieved. This all seems 2 lockdowns too late
do it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-56305549
A 32-year-old woman was issued with a fine after inviting eight friends to her son's birthday party in Wickford. When officers arrived, guests fled over a fence.
A man who admitted he should have been self-isolating threw a party for his neighbours, a woman who held a party with 10 guests was fined, and six men at another party were also issued with notices.
Misdirection.... give him a card and a bottle of wine, then report him
You can’t keep blaming the Gov for everything. Yes, they’ve fkd some things up royally. But you have to take some personal responsibility.
Exactly this. If I drive around over the speed limit putting others in danger, its not the governments fault for not enforcing the rules, its my fault for ignoring the rules and acting selfishly.
Comments like: "its only a few people" or "it doesn't affect me" or "we all break the rules a little". Just plain stupidity and ignorance.
As said above, it only takes a few people to spread it and continue to socialise to cause a mini outbreak.
Don't be a grass. Who's going to take in your parcels if you grass on him?
Between him and Boris, not you.
You can’t keep blaming the Gov for everything. Yes, they’ve fkd some things up royally. But you have to take some personal responsibility.
I have, I’ve volunteered in the community, I’ve followed the rules, I’ve stayed local, I have taken personal responsibility. I’ve barely seen parents or siblings, let alone friends.
But that still doesn’t alter that fact that the excess deaths are caused by poor government planning and guidance.
I’m not saying “do what you want, it’s the governments fault”. I’m saying saying “take personal responsibility for your own actions and follow the rules, but don’t lose sight that it’s the government’s policies that have given us the size of mess we’re in”.
It’s quite possibly to take personal responsibility and still see that in the wider scheme of things, it’s government actions that made this mess much bigger than it should have been.
I'll keep you updated with numbers of guests, music volume, if he resists firing up his massive new BBQ etc.!
Play a loud recording of police sirens and boots marching up a driveway and see how quickly the house empties, have some fun at his expense.
I did something similar. Long road in East Kilbride that some motorists think is ok to go down at 90mph, so I took my camera flash to work one day and hid behind the bus shelter in the evening after work, soon as one sped past i hit flash. The sound of a fast revving engine suddenly dropping down was joyful to hear 😆
Are you sure it’s a birthday party and not say a group of Tory party supporters holding a vital business meeting relating to their latest ppe supply scam er I meant deal...
I’ll keep you updated with numbers of [s]guests, music volume, if he resists firing up his massive new BBQ etc.![/s] police that turn up
Half* of what’s wrong in today’s society is down to folks sloping their shoulders & saying “Not my responsibility Guv…”
And where did they learn that attitude from?
I'll accept it's a 'half and half' sort of situation, poorly communicated, badly planned policies, coupled with ineffective enforcement plus a minority* of "non-compliant" citizens have helped drive things further (at least twice), one thing causes the other really. Government and public behaviour are intrinsically linked (IMO)...
But don't let this bit of a mess of Tory charlatans off just because their job has been a bit harder than normal, they wanted the role, they weaseled, lied and cheated to get there, criticism is fair and warranted when their bungling has and continues to cost lives.
(* That minority has varied over the last year, and many seem to vary between compliance and "testing the limits" mainly driven by how bored they are it seems. But I do believe it is a minority not the hordes certain meeja froth-merchants would have us believe)...
TBH the OP has to live nextdoor to his neighbours after this, so only he can decide if the grief from an angry Romanian family is worth calling the police or not... Personally I err on the side of domestic harmony, I'd let someone up the road call them...
I find this stuff fascinating. Y’know, when we look back at where it all went to shit for some countries, say, like the former East Germany, and we ask, with incredulity, “jeepers, what happened to make the general public start reporting one another wholesale for infringements?”
Again personal responsibility
Sure, when it's defined clearly I'll note the rules and follow them. But when "stay local" has no definition*, when "essential travel only" isn't defined...then what? and you don't get a pass by saying "use common sense", as this thread clearly demonstrates...that's also difficult to define.
* for example, I used to drive as part of my job, if you say to me something is 30 miles away, to me that's next door...for other folk that may as well be the moon...Who's right?
Interested where does turning a blind eye end and when is it ok call the police, what is the line in the sand for breaking the law?
anti social behaviour, drug dealing, carrying knives/firearms, domestic abuse, drink driving, child abuse, murder, what is ok and what isn't, just so I know?
Wait until the music/commotion volume reaches a level where it is easily conceivable that many people could have heard and reported and then ring the Po-Po.
Interested where does turning a blind eye end and when is it ok call the police
your neighbour invites a couple of mates around - turn a blind eye
Neighbour invites 50 people to his house and it's spilling out onto the street - call the cops after you've had a word and nothing's happened.
You neighbour's brutally murdering another neighbour - call the cops, don't worry about talking to him about it first.
your neighbour invites a couple of mates around – turn a blind eye
gotcha.... so its similar to driving to test your eyesight then. Its ok to break some laws but not others, are you Matt Hancock?
we ask, with incredulity, “jeepers, what happened to make the general public start reporting one another wholesale for infringements?”
We won't, because it's not happening.
gotcha…. so its similar to driving to test your eyesight then.
No not really...Cummings knew he had COVID and so did his wife and child, and he knew that he should've stayed put but spread it to his extended family and then lied about it....I can't see how you could get those mixed up really?