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At the dinner table last night I was drawing fruit and veg for her to colour in (it kept her in her seat, OK). The conversation went like this;
Me : There you go, blueberries! You can colour those in.
Her : Them, not those.
Me : Yes… Err, Pardon?
Her : It’s “them”, not “those”
Me : Right… OK.. Wait, are you correcting me?
Her (gives me a stern look) : Yes
Is she right? I can't tell if there's any difference.
My almost 17yr old has been correcting me for almost 16yrs. She's rarely wrong. #Genes
There is a difference between "them" and "those" but your 3yr old is wrong. As both your uses of the word were correct.
no pudding
I had something similar with my (then) four year old...
Child: What colours are in a rainbow?
Me: All of them
Child: Black isn't
Me: Well technically black isn't a colour, it is an absolute absence of colour
Child: It is a colour, my pyjamas have got black spots on them
Child: It is a colour, my pyjamas have got black spots on them
It's not black, just very very very very very dark blue....
I'd perhaps interpret "those" to imply "... instead of a different choice."
What do I do with the blueberries? - Oh, you can colour them in.
I'm colouring in the strawberries. See the blueberries there? You can colour those in.
Do you get to eat her pudding then?
Both my children (5 & 2) tell me to stop talking with my mouth full, naughty daddy.
I had something similar with my (then) four year old…
Child: What colours are in a rainbow?
Me: All of them
Child: Black isn’t
Me: Well technically black isn’t a colour, it is an absolute absence of colour
Child: It is a colour, my pyjamas have got black spots on them
An excellent opportunity to explain the difference between coloured light and coloured objects and explain additive and subtractive colour. Obviously.
An excellent opportunity to explain the difference between coloured light and coloured objects and explain additive and subtractive colour. Obviously.
Err, I did 🙂
I hope so, because if my schooling is anything to go by it'll prepare her nicely for being taught it incorrectly for several years to come.
I’d perhaps interpret “those” to imply “… instead of a different choice.”
What do I do with the blueberries? – Oh, you can colour them in.
I’m colouring in the strawberries. See the blueberries there? You can colour those in.
This is getting towards what I'm thinking, "those" is somehow more specific / pointy. But :
I’m colouring in the strawberries. See the blueberries there? You can colour them in.
This also works.
explain additive and subtractive colour
That one still confuses* me 🙂
Kids are taught from an early age that the Primary Colours are Red/Yellow/Blue and that mixing Yellow and Blue makes Green.
Which works for finger painting but is confusing when I'm used to computers using Red/Green/Blue, where mixing Red and Green makes Yellow.
And then we print it in CMYK. 🤔
*(by confused, I mean I get it, but it is non-intuitive).
Kids are taught from an early age that the Primary Colours are Red/Yellow/Blue and that mixing Yellow and Blue makes Green.
Which is erroneous (or at least, out of date) because
And then we print it in CMYK.
Red and blue are approximations for cyan and magenta. There's a name for this that I can't quite remember, let me get my Google on.
Ah, yes. Cyan is known as "process blue" and magenta "process red."
Wikipedia: In late 19th and early to mid-20th century commercial printing, use of the traditional RYB terminology persisted even though the more versatile CMY (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow) triad had been adopted, with the cyan sometimes referred to as "process blue" and the magenta as "process red".
Also from Wikipedia,
Subtractive (eg. paint, printing)
Additive (eg. light, TV screens, rainbows, unicorns)
Surprised the OP didn’t just point and shout louder..
Kids eh..
Can’t eat em’, can’t send em’ down t’pits.
#thiscountriesgonetothedogs
Red and blue are approximations for cyan and magenta. There’s a name for this that I can’t quite remember, let me get my Google on.
That's correct - and the K in C, M, Y, K (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black) stands for Key. Technically there is no need to print in four colours as 100% cyan, 100% magenta and 100% yellow will create black (as shown in the diagram above), however the black is used to give additional depth and key it all together.
I remember once in science lessons at school seeing a wheel made up of nothing but red, green and blue but when it was spun it was white. WT actual F!!!!
A regular family discussion in the car this one.
That’s correct – and the K in C, M, Y, K (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black) stands for Key.
Huh. I always thought the K stood for blacK. A separate black is used because CMY black is more of a sludgy dark brown, no?
however the black is used to give additional depth and key it all together.
Plus it saves ink.
'Those' can be:
1. a demonstrative adjective: "Those cars are mine" / "Have you seen those pictures?"
2. a pronoun: "Those who couldn't take part" / "Have you seen those taking part
'Them' can be:
1. a pronoun in objective case and used as:
a) an indirect object: "I've bought them some food." / "I'll lend them my car."
b) a direct object: "I saw them." / "I've invited them."
c) as an object of phrasal verbs: "Hand in the papers at the end." contracted to "Hand them in at the end."
2. a pronoun following the preposition: "I've bought some food for them." / "I was travelling with them."
In your case, I'd say they were both correct. You're using 'those' as a demonstrative adjective but removing an extraneous duplication of the object itself - "You can colour those [blueberries] in". Your daughter is using it as the object of a phrasal verb - "You can colour the blueberries in" contracted to "You can colour them in"
Bonus points to her if you read her that sentence and she replies with "Well I knew all that..."
Sorry to interrupt, but how the hell do you pronounce "magenta", just so I don't sound like a dick next time I'm down the pub trying to impress ladies with how much useless bollocks I know.
On a tangent, my four-year old (a few years ago now 🙂 ) wouldn't wear either plimsolls or socks for PE at school
He inevitably picked up a verruca and was again told to wear something on his feet. I went to pick him up one day and saw him coming out of the gym sans footwear..."the teacher said we could. I looked really carefully and there weren't any verrucas on the floor"
Silly daddy 🙂
how the hell do you pronounce “magenta”
I say it with a soft-g, so “maj-en-ta”
No idea if that is correct, but I’ve never heard it pronounced differently.
Colour. All clouded by the fact that in the real world of school budget paints, the three subtractive primaries don't actually make black when mixed together - we get into the murky world of tertiary colours...
As an art teacher, I love the annual 'are black and white colours then?' debate with Year 7.
Huh. I always thought the K stood for blacK.
No - some reading here
In traditional preparation of color separations, a red keyline on the black line art marked the outline of solid or tint color areas. In some cases a black keyline was used when it served as both a color indicator and an outline to be printed in black. Because usually the black plate contained the keyline, the K in CMYK represents the keyline or black plate, also sometimes called the key plate.