[Closed] "Muslim" terrorists attack French magazine in Paris

Not a bad plan...

maybe not providing em with weapons in the 1st place would also be a good move!

what is becoming increasingly annoying is your derailing of any vaguely contentious/interesting threads with conspiracy theories which few believe. One assumes you've been warned about it

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My personal take on this is he's free to post so long as he's on topic. Posting random nonsense on an unrelated thread or deliberately derailing an ongoing discussion is verboten. And he's sailing close to the wind on the second point now.

I'm no fan of censorship, but I'd point out that the last time we had someone persisting in this behaviour despite many warnings eventually earned a life ban.

What the views of the other Mods / Admin are, I haven't asked. That may be a discussion we need to have if this continues.
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Have to be honest, pretty much everything I've posted on here is relevant to the wider situation; you can't just view this incident in isolation; the underlying dynamics are global...

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deleted as the full post didn't post and I CBA writing it again, it was however the most witty post ever.

Ta

Personal interest? He's still here isn't he?

💡 😐 😯

Hahahah I read what you said and so did the object of your dig

Everyone else will just have to guess why I've used those particular emoticons:

The Mystery Deepens...

How can you read it, I can't even remember it now?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30840160

More terrorists killed during a firefight in Belgium.

I think there may be a subsequent operation underway further to the link above.

Edit: the article does suggest as much

I think there may be a subsequent operation underway further to the link above.

Source?

'Another' forum.

Treat with caution.

I think I know the one, for the others google translate is your friend.

http://live.lesoir.be/Event/Operation_anti-terroriste_a_Verviers?_ga=1.4035890.305657506.1421350599

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2015/01/15/riots-are-being-reported-in-molenbeek-saint-jean/

Yes. That's the one. 😉

Crikey, this got a bit punchy today.

At this rate....

Je serai JHJ !! 😉

Go the Belgians! Get the bastards 1st, saves a lot of bother, & worse.

@essel I have to agree, saves a lot of time and effort with a trial and then an argument at how long they should be in jail at the taxpayers expense and how to rehabilitate them. The French guy who murdered the Jews in a Belgian museum is still awaiting trial after nearly a year.

What shocked me last night where some of the stats coming out of Belgium, more Jihadists per head of population than any other European country, approx 80 killed in Syria, 80 have returned - that's 80 fighters at large in Belgium. Press I have seen said that Northern France and Belgium had big immigrant populations from Northern Africa who had originally come to work in the textile industry, most of that work now has transferred to Asia of course, not least to Bangladesh a Muslim country.

Folk here who try and link these terrorists with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, I can understand in some degree a focus on the UK and US but Belgium and Germany (700-1000 Jihadists in Syria) ? Arrests in Germany this morning of ISIS recruiters, authorities trying to play down the threat by saying no imminent attack identified.

Nothing like a few dead jihadis to give the fervent the best erection they've had all week.

jivehoneyjive - Member
Have to be honest, pretty much everything I've posted on here is

a load of infantile tripe which, despite having been clearly shown why it's a load of infantile tripe, I persist in posting because, well - it's me and I'm a paradigm of infantilism.

Quote from this morning;

[i]According to Belgium’s RTL broadcaster the three terror suspects, equipped with Belgian police uniforms, four Kalashnikov assault rifles, handguns and explosives, were planning to seize a bus, taking passengers hostage.[/i]

@dd - I think they get more of a kick out of beheading and execution videos

It's too early in the morning for my one moment of tumescence this weekend. Stop it!

Some idiot with a knife has attacked an Asian man in a supermarket in Wales. I hope they send him to jail for a very long time.

From the Guardian this morning

[i]Belgium has a history in recent years as a European centre for radical Islamist activity. Authorities and studies by Britain’s International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation have estimated that about 300 Belgians have travelled to Syria, the highest per capita concentration in Europe for a country of 11 million. That compares with about 600 so-called foreign fighters who have left the UK.

One of Belgium’s best-known jihadist organisations – Sharia4Belgium – is at the heart of a huge, ongoing trial in Antwerp in which 46 members of the group have been accused of belonging to a terrorist organisation and brainwashing young men into fighting a holy war in Syria.

Last year, a gunman killed four people at the Jewish museum in Brussels. Belgian authorities say the suspect in that case, French national Mehdi Nemmouche, spent most of 2013 fighting in Syria.[/i]

Sharia4Belgium sounds like a Jihadi online shopping company

idiot with a knife

Terrorist?

Probably Mossad in a joint operation with MI5 and the CIA, on behalf of our lizard overlords

Reckon you might be on to something there binners, but not so sure about the lizard bit...

weren't they linked to the underpants bomber?

Not sure if this is the same guy but:

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/9253640/Al-Qaeda-underpants-bomber-was-working-for-CIA.html ]Al-Qaeda (in Yemen) underpants bomber was working for CIA[/url]

When will moderate Welsh idiots speak out against this growing threat? We need to be honest about the fact that there is clearly a problem with Welsh idiots with knives, and not let political correctness stand in the way.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html

Theres an underpants bomber?

Sounds like a Viz character. Does he literally bomb your underpants? Is there no limit to the inhumanity of these bastards?

We need to be honest about the fact that there is clearly a problem with Welsh idiots with knives

So here are the two Belgian terrorists who where allowed back into the country and to remain at large. Some serious questions to be answered.

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When will moderate Welsh idiots speak out against this growing threat? We need to be honest about the fact that there is clearly a problem with Welsh idiots with knives, and not let political correctness stand in the way.

@binners, well the title of shoe bomber had been taken so this lad decided he'd stuff the explosives into his pants and try and blow up a plane that way.

well the title of shoe bomber had been taken so this lad decided he'd stuff the explosives into his pants and try and blow up a plane that way*

*[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/9253640/Al-Qaeda-underpants-bomber-was-working-for-CIA.html ]For the CIA/Saudi intelligence services[/url]

So here are the two Belgian terrorists

I'm not well up on the details** but I seem to recall those plucky syrians standing up to the totalitarian regime and cameron talking about sending troops to assist (without putting boots on the ground) and then it all went a bit wonky

*genuine Q
** as per usual

weren't they linked to the underpants bomber?

Do you intentionally misrepresent things, or are you just not very good at communicating ?

He was working undercover and infiltrated the group.

He did the job and prevented the bomb being used to bring down a passenger plane.

And yet somehow you managed to make that sound like a conspiracy, and that it was a bad thing to be doing.

Your mind really is broken.

Choudhray linked to Sharia4Belgium

[i]Belgian prosecutors have linked the British hate preacher Anjem Choudary to Fouad Belkacem, the leader of a now-disbanded extremist group, Sharia4Belgium, which was established under Choudary’s guidance to campaign for sharia law in that country.[/i]

@Donk - its a good question and always difficult ground when you have people fighting against a government. The justification for the West looking to get involved in Syria was the amount of civilians being targeted by barrel bombs and even chemical weapons by the Assad government. There were 200,000 deaths mostly civilian. Yes the Free Syrian Army / IS dynamic was crucial. IS made a point of attacking the FSA and not Assad in order to gain control. Have a look through ViceNews if you wish - some excellent written reports and videos including some coverage of the loose alliances / agreements of convenience between different groups

Uncanny DONK, fresh news:

[url= http://rt.com/news/223207-pentagon-syria-us-opposition/ ]Pentagon to deploy 400 troops to train+equip Syrian Opposition[/url]

Still wondering where ISIS got all their training and weapons from in the 1st place:

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Fickle bunch us peace loving victims:

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the title of shoe bomber had been taken so this lad decided he'd stuff the explosives into his pants and try and blow up a plane that way.

Did he misunderstand the concept of planting a bomb in the cockpit?

🙂

@jive, its sometimes necessary to talk to bad people to try and talk them out of their current behaviour.

its a good question and always difficult ground when you have people fighting against a government

<edit> although there may well be other factors of course

its sometimes necessary to talk to bad people to try and talk them out of their current behaviour.

Indeed:

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As per talking to bad people : we did it in Ireland with success.

I can see no way forward for the currently increasing amount of radical Islamic conflicts with regard to our ineffective aggressive/offensive tactics other than at some point we are going to have to admit defeat and move onto an attempt for sit down talks with all the Muslim clerics of all the various factions, this is going to take a sea-change in our current handling protocol and will necessitate full co-operation from all the Muslim leadership throughout the world otherwise we are going to mire ourselves in conflicts where we cannot possibly succeed at, where the outcome is guaranteed to escalate.

D0NK - Dave just wanted a war. He wasn't fussy about where, or with who. Tony had all his. I want one too!

When you've written your own Churchillian narrative, where you're the bold leader, fearlessly sending the troops into battle, then any old chance to send in the bombers will do. Best not to look at the detail too closely. Just have a look and see who sits where in your simplistic good guys/bad guys worldview

at some point we are going to have to admit defeat and move onto an attempt for sit down talks with all the Muslim clerics of all the various factions, this is going to take a sea-change in our current handling protocol and will necessitate full co-operation from all the Muslim leadership throughout the world

Given that the various factions of Muslims are so disparate that they have as yet been unable to strike enough common ground between [i]themselves[/i] as to get along without killing each other in various forms of holy jihad, what makes you think that they could strike a deal with ourselves that kept them all happy?

Given that the various factions of Muslims are so disparate that they have as yet been unable to strike enough common ground between themselves as to get along without killing each other in various forms of holy jihad, what makes you think that we could strike a deal with ourselves that kept them all happy?

What if our agents were stirring tensions and supplying the weapons in the 1st place?

Seems to have been the modus operandi over several decades, leading to escalation (and profit for ex Prime Ministers and Presidents)

It's almost as if the media are complicit in the propaganda campaign...

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What if our agents were stirring the tensions and supplying the weapons in the 1st place?

Given the Suunis and Shiites have been at each other's throats since around 680 AD without achieving a lasting reconciliation, I reckon that your theory might need a little work.

It's the only option available to us as bombing the shite out them is only going to make the problem worse and drive more muslims into the hands of groups such as IS, Al Qaeda etc , it is in the best interests of the various clerics (and for the future of islam) to have this discussion as well. It won't be easy and may take years n' years to get them all round the table without all immediately breaking into verbal war but until we can engender such a situation amongst the various factions them we (as the west) need to open a dialogue with such extremists in the first instance, then the Clerics need to step up and get their house/religion in order.

So where do they get their weapons from in this day and age?

jive : lay off the repeated postings eh?, we are all aware (or at least those of us who have an interest in the middle east) of what the west has done to stir up tensions in the past but for gawks sake just shut the **** up for a while…..please!…..it's getting very tiresome.

We agree somafunk, the solution is in negotiation...

Very unlikey it is merely in the past though, simply that those operations have become declassified...

So where do they get their weapons from in this day and age?

Presumably those big western, new world order, Jewish controlled arms manufacturers who made and distributed a hundred million AK47s ?

Presumably those big western, new world order, Jewish controlled arms manufacturers who made and distributed a hundred million AK47s ?

The West supplied AK47s during Operation Cyclone, so as to avoid suspicion of involvement...

Dont engage then as he thrives on a reply even when you reply is to say shut up I wont talk to you

you are just feeding the troll with any response [ even this one]

I'm glad you didn't take mortal offence at me telling you to stfu but now and again you do have a annoying habit of harping on about western governments involvement and meddling, which i fully agree is very much partly to blame for the current situation but we all know of that and have moved on (and yeas i'm aware it is still ongoing vis a vis the arms deals etc..etc but that is for us to get our house in order, pressurise our elected officials to do something about arms exports etc.

No need to engage, just [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gust_Avrakotos ]read[/url]:

In the 1980s while at Langley, Avrakotos led Operation Cyclone, the largest covert operation in the CIA's history. Through intermediaries, mostly Zia ul-Haq's ISI in ****stan, the CIA-armed Afghanistan's Mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Avrakotos eventually met congressman Charlie Wilson of Texas's 2nd congressional district. Together they collaborated to massively increase funding for the rebels, and together helped persuade officials from Egypt, ****stan, China, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere to increase support for the cause. Avrakotos also plucked Michael G. Vickers from obscurity in the CIA's paramilitary group to revamp the strategy for the Mujahideen. [b]Vickers urged them to drop the Enfield Rifle in favor of a mix of weapons like the AK-47[/b], and to introduce new tactics, training, and logistics.[2]

but we all know of that and have moved on

That is the problem, the continued belief that the same methods are not continuing, in the face of a vast body of evidence to the contrary

The West supplied AK47s during Operation Cyclone, so as to avoid suspicion of involvement...

Like they also supplied Stingers? Because that, like, totally, didn't raise any suspicion of western involvement, did it?

I do love it when you manage to spanner your own conspiracy theories into the distance JHJ...

Vickers urged them to drop the Enfield Rifle in favor of a mix of weapons like the AK-47.

Can't imagine any reason that he might recommend the fully automatic weapon of choice of guerrilla fighters worldwide, the weapon that brought the U.S. army to its knees in Vietnam, with ammo easily available the region over, gainst the pre ww1 designed bolt action Enfield, which (despite being the best battle rifle of its day), would totally prove western involvement, given the millions churned out over the decades by the ishapore rifle factory just over the border...

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Did they (we) supply the AK47s?

Yep

You can attempt to polarize the situation to your own ends, but the facts remain...

Absolutely nothing new or unknown in what you posted ^, i went out to ****stan and onto Afghanistan with my Aunt in 1988 aged 16 (she's an artist and took off on a scooter through Europe in the early 70's and ended up exploring both countries) to re-visit friends she had made in her 6 years out there, i saw first hand the amount of weaponry lying about in market places, rocket launchers available for a few $$, thousands and thousands of AK47's and mountains of ammo that the local kids were sliding up and down on, russian tanks lying around at entrances to villages and entire areas littered with tens of thousands of indiscriminately laid land mines, quite often in the most fertile areas - quite an eye opener talking to the families we stayed with and their experiences of living through a western/russian war by proxy so leave out all your repeated posts, they offer nothing to the argument.

The current situation is a legacy of that...

The current situation is a legacy of that...

Eh, I thought it was a highly organised conspiracy false flag to keep us all under control, not some Lilly livered legacy situation whereby government actions in the past had remarkably complex and anarchic long term effects into the future, and the long term geopolitical effects of the end of the Cold War were still being played out.

Which is it JHJ, conspiracy or chaos?

So where do they get their weapons from in this day and age?

JJ how about this famous picture with Arafat and Rabin shaking hands with Clinton. Another peace process that was derailed. Hamas fought against the PLA as it did not want to honour the subsequent Stockholm agreement, another peace negotiation which came to nothing.

EDIT, in fact you can kick off the whole Araft was poisoned conspiracy theory, ended when they dug up his body and independent labs proved he wasn't poised but.

EDIT 2; You cannot re caption photos from the past to suit your view of the present

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You can attempt to polarize the situation to your own ends

If that is the case, why did you totally misrepresent the CIA "undercover bomber" victory, and try and make out it was something entirely different.

(You ignored it before, but this seems a good time to bring it up again)

Gunman taken hostages in a Paris post office 😯

If that is the case, why did you totally misrepresent the CIA "undercover bomber" victory, and try and make out it was something entirely different.

(You ignored it before, but this seems a good time to bring it up again)

[url= http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2013/05/16/why-the-underwear-bomber-leak-infuriated-the-obama-administration/ ]
Did I misrepresent it[/url]?

[url= http://my.firedoglake.com/etisdale/2012/01/01/cnn-and-u-s-denials-of-drone-strikes-in-****stan/ ]As we've seen from the ****stani drone strike story, once the Pentagon spin doctors get their teeth into a story, things can evolve[/url]

Anyway, back to matters at hand, we'll have to see how the latest situation develops...

Supposedly not terrorist related, either protesting a relationship breakup or an armed robbery ..

Supposedly not terrorist related, either protesting a relationship breakup or an armed robbery ..

High risk strategy in current circumstances. Likely to end up "neutralized" just to be on the safe side.

did I misrepresent it

Yes.

You did.

Completely misrepresented it. And you know you did.

Your own link, in the post where you misrepresented it, showed exactly that.

Anyway, back to matters at hand

Translates to.....

"Quick, change the subject...!

I've been caught talking shit again."

You're a funny sort Mr Glover

Seems the gunman has given himself up and hostages have been freed...

Formerly interesting thread about world news event, becomes a haven for idiotic bedroom-based conspiracy halfwits. Probably accompanied by a box of Kleenex.

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Blimey Woppit, we didn't need that much insight into your dealings!!

Blimey Woppit, we didn't need that much insight into your dealings!!

But then again, I guess....
he started it!