[Closed] "Muslim" terrorists attack French magazine in Paris

I've been providing answers the whole time

Is that the case here?

Nope you've just been peddling your usual epic waffle, changing the subject, positing ill judged supposition as fact and then leaving faux enigmatic rhetorical questions like, 'makes you think, doesn't it' all over the place like freshly delivered piles of cow excrement.

Still, it could just be aliens.

I can but try; been doing pretty well so far, even if I do say so myself

From all the stuff you have posted on here that isn't true,

That was the funniest.

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Your ability to asses reality, if that is what you think is happening here is tragically flawed

I'd like to to know what other utter pish I've supplied?

Here is the complete list

You are welcome 8)

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Meanwhile back to je suis Charlie

After Erdogan, Diuedonne....we now have Rousell

That entente was short lived and hardly cordiale!

JHJ - you obviously have an interest in geopolitics. Why are you surprised that intelligence agencies talk and act together?

We talk to our friends and spy on our enemies
We talk to our enemies and spy on our friends
Always have done, always will
Phone taps anyone?

From 3:30 onwards

My Spanish isn't what it was but it's clear here that the footage is just some crisis acting, and not very good acting at that. Smoke from a can in the copper's hand!

Yes, I would say most things that bring out the western scum leaders usually are false flags
-9/11 - you have to be an absolute moron to believe the official story (no offence to any morons here)
-7/7 - no way in hell those patsies could get across London in the time to be where they were supposed to - and I don't mean Greggs
-Sandy Hook - crisis actors all over the place
-Boston bombing - as above, pictures of fake blood etc.
All used to introduce mass surveillance we normally wouldn't entertain, further wars on the middle east, or in the last two cases push for gun control to disarm citizens, which tyrants tend to do to groups they want rid of (Hitler to Jews, colonisers to native Americans).
Glad we got that settled.

Now how are we gonna stop the onset of a global police state and a possible WW3? Any constructive suggestions?
It'd be embarrassing if in the future your kids ask you why you didn't do anything when it was so obvious, like duuuh.

Words fail me.

Researching [url= http://projectbluebook.theblackvault.com/ ]Project Blue Book[/url] documents would be a much more productive use of some peoples time! 🙄

Words don't fail me it is just pointless continue to argue with people who are members of a self reinforcing cult of paranoia and disbelief . So jive with respect a I disagree with you 6079 I don't agree with you either.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/sport/100-tours-100-tales/2015/jan/14/french-cartoons-charlie-hebdo-satirised-lance-armstrong-puerile-perfect ]Charlie Hebdo n others on Cycling[/url]

If you want WW3. You don't have the Islamic black flag in the French Capital, you have it in the US.

I think you're wrong there piemonster... Ww3 will need to involve Europe.. And that pillock advisor on fox news was very quick to leap up and tell the US public that Europe was fast becoming a muslim enclave..
The US will be here to liberate us in short order, have no fear

I hope so Yunki, I'm running short of nylons and chewing gum.

Conspiracy theorists love conspiracy theories, simple as that.

My point earlier about the conspiracy theories etc...

Just because there are loons out there desperate to believe any conspiracy, doesn't mean that everything is exactly how it's presented to us in the mainstream media. Just look at historical evidence, declassified documents etc - some of the stuff the US has had to publish about what their security services have done is outrageous.

I don't generally believe in any complex conspiracy theories - Occam's Razor and all that, but I don't think anything should be discounted out of hand just because it sounds unlikely. 'Nutty conspiracy theorists' have been saying for years that there is a network of rich and powerful paedophiles who protect each others interests and have covered up sickening abuse. Doesn't seem quite so nutty now does it.

Having said all that I think JHJ and the other fella are pretty deranged and the 'evidence' they produce is largely nonsense. Just don't throw the baby out with the bath water is all I'm saying.

Edit: whilst some of Jive's points stretch the imagination the fact the killers turned up for the editorial meeting suggests they were being provided information by others and may have been acting on orders.

... or simply that they struck lucky, a complete coincidence.

It just occurred to me that jivehoney and his ilk may be suffering from the same internal effect as those who believe in any of the large variety of gods on offer - they think they detect things that are not actually there, due to some irresistable impulse to find the "reality" BEHIND the actual reality ...

@grum, I do agree with your comments on US foreign policy, especially in Latin America. It's clear the US has supplied assistance to the Free Syrian Army, that's one reason ISIS spent most of their early efforts attacking them, they'd rather kill other Muslims than have a US influenced government in Syria. I've always had the view the Paedophiles work in circles and have infiltrated the police/courts etc.

Doesn't seem quite so nutty now does it.

In the same way that I never watched the 'The Matrix' in full, I cannot somehow manage to read this entire thread. All I can offer is 'be excellent to each other' . The rest is pish.

'Nutty conspiracy theorists' have been saying for years that there is a network of rich and powerful paedophiles who protect each others interests and have covered up sickening abuse. Doesn't seem quite so nutty now does it. "
Well nobody has ever denied paedophiles exist nobody has denied that sexual deviancy crosses all social and economic groups nobody has ever denied that people protect those important to them . nobody has ever denied that at various points the victims of abuse have not been central to the concerns of justice ( see corroboration requirement in English law up till the 80S). What has been denied disputed and ridiculed is that we are ruled over by Lizards (what ever you take that to mean) for whom child abuse is a central plank of their command and control structures . Child abuse occurs and can range from the relatively bland to the truly sickening, cover-ups occur for a variety of motives but the over arching conspiracy theory remains utterly nutty . The adherents and disciples do indeed run the risk of creating a climate where babies go down the drain along with their nonsense.

Just because there are loons out there desperate to believe any conspiracy, doesn't mean that everything is exactly how it's presented to us in the mainstream media.

Yeah, I don't disagree. But then, I'm pretty sure that most people wouldn't. As others have said, if you throw enough stones you're going to hit something sooner or later because Statistics.

The problem is, really, the 'crying wolf' argument. JHJ touts such a sheer volume of irrelevant, ill-researched and, sorry but it's true, ignorant "facts" and misinformation that when he does accidentally stumble across something that turns out to be true, a) everyone ignores him and b) he can then jump up going "see, see, I told you, when will you listen."

Some of the stuff I've seen posted about the CH tragedy (not necessarily by JHJ but by the rest of the bottom half of the Internet) has been particularly distasteful. I recently watched a video of the poor policeman actually getting shot (not by choice, I didn't realise they were going to show it) and I really wish I hadn't, it's something that will stay with me for a long time. It was then followed by a "moon landings were faked" style deconstruction of why it couldn't possibly be real. "Here's an AK47 shooting a watermelon," yes, yes, but heads aren't made out of watermelons, you might as well show an image of a knife going through butter as an argument as to why it should've made more of a mess than it did of steel plate. All the while the commentator is telling us that people don't understand how guns work, whilst completely failing to understand how guns work.

Being generous, I find the whole CH conspiracy theories distasteful and disrespectful at best, so soon after the event.

The flak jacket is real, the conspiracy theory is BS.

Charlie Hebdo shares the building with some other publications and a press agency called Premiers Lignes, who specialise in sending reporters to the front lines of conflicts. Surprisingly enough they keep kevlar vests in their stores, which would prove useful should a journalist need to leave the office and fly to a war-torn corner of the world at the drop of a hat.

@Cougar, I watched the full shooting video by choice, I felt I had to see it. I have also watched full shooting videos from ISIS executing prisoners. I directed Jive to do so as its clear you don't necessarily see blood and exploding heads if you are shot with a high powered rifle at close range. Of course the conspiracy theories so close to the event are distasteful, the people putting them out have no taste they are just interested in their own hobby.

JHJ - you obviously have an interest in geopolitics. Why are you surprised that intelligence agencies talk and act together?

I'm not at all surprised, but as we have seen from past performances, the covert operations they carry out all over the world usually result in the exact opposite of the peace they preach.

For example, as I've said many times, Operation Cyclone, which is the origin of Al-Qaeda and ultimately key to 9/11 happening (that is before you start to entertain theories about deliberate Saudi and Israeli involvement~ we'll see more on that when the redacted 28 pages of the 9/11 report are published)

The fact is, war is an industry... it profits the arms industry, private military contractors (mercenaries), security firms and the intelligence services themselves. That these same industries profit the moguls who run much of the media is no coincidence to the warped version of events portrayed in the majority of the news we receive.

Whether unwittingly, or by design, they have been engineering a scenario which is setting us on a path for World War 3.

I could be wrong, hopefully I am, but if I was right, wouldn't you want to know?

@ ocrider

That's a prime example of the Con Theorist's habit of looking at a bus and thinking they've seen a racehorse, simply by jumping to the first conclusion that seems to fit their hair-brained hypothesis.

Well done that man. 🙂

For example, as I've said many times

Yes, Please stop. Do some listening.

cover-ups occur for a variety of motives but the over arching conspiracy theory remains utterly nutty .

I think this is a very good point, you only need see how homosexuality in positions of power was dealt with over the decades, a great many good people lost their jobs because it opened them up to the risk of blackmail (for example by foreign powers) if made public, indeed the threat of exposure was frequently used in this fashion, the suggestion that someone with a known direct involvement in paedophilia would be tolerated in a senior position, when it opened them up as a security risk through blackmail or risk of exposure is fanciful.

What [b]is[/b] believable is that if someone became known then they were quietly moved and dismissed/resigned without the very public embarrassment to the civil service/police/church etc. of police involvement and a trial, it Was 'hushed up' when discovered, rather than tolerated (though in later years there was certainly an acceptance of homosexuality for example, as long as nobody rocked the boat and risked becoming an embarrassment, Jeremy Thorpe springs to mind here)

Of course, there's also no doubt our security services became aware of people involved in child abuse, no doubt we moved to limit the risk, I suspect that little could have ever been proved about Cyril smith at the time as far as a criminal prosecution went, but suspect that had the liberals come to power he would have been quietly sidelined, I also suspect that the security services would wish to be very careful about straying into the area of exposing the wrongdoings of politicians that they had discovered) and no doubt that in some cases we turned a blind eye to it so that we could blackmail our enemies (Eg. Russian agents, certain IRA members) - and whilst this may be shameful and terrible in a great many ways. I don't think it's anything like the sort of conspiracy which the truth seekers are looking for.

Do you ever leave your bedroom?

ninfan - do I have to post this video again?

If I have to state the obvious - I DON'T believe that world leaders are secretly lizards, or that child abuse is 'central to their control structure' (whatever that means).

Yeah, I don't disagree. But then, I'm pretty sure that most people wouldn't.

I dunno - quite a few people on here seem so keen to dismiss JHJ etc that they are ignoring/discounting credible and disturbing evidence.

Admittedly the nutty conspiracy theorists probably do contribute to people getting away with stuff they shouldn't because people assume it's ALL nonsense when so much of it is.

I dunno - quite a few people on here seem so keen to dismiss JHJ etc that they are ignoring/discounting credible and disturbing evidence.

Quite the reverse. See ocrider's post.

ocriders post is indeed enlightening and puts one concern to rest...

which is a good thing, but the others remain~ any further pieces of the puzzle to debunk are welcome, but as it stands, there is still much to question... why the edit around 0:17 for example?

As regards child abuse in the context of the IRA and blackmail, look into Kincora

to avoid going off topic too far, it might be worth checking out this thread on the subject:

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/what-the-bbc-news-now

which is a good thing, but the others remain~ any further pieces of the puzzle to debunk are welcome, but as it stands, there is still much to question... why the edit around 0:17 for example?

In that clip there are at least two cuts, and the last section of the film seems to be from the beginning in real time. The guy in the blue shirt and body armour crossing the roof at the end seems to be the same man taking cover next to the camera.
The cut at 0:17s could simply be a section removed while the camera was not focused, for example filming the back of a chimney stack while shots are being fired below.
The disjointed order and, possible, lack of continuity strikes me as a piece being edited in a rush and then aired before completion, rather than anything fabricated.

Perhaps the film was cut as the phone camera "times out" or the person filming it touched the wrong button.

Do you ever leave your bedroom?

Runnnnn! Binners has the snipers moving in.

For example, as I've said many times, Operation Cyclone, which is the origin of Al-Qaeda and ultimately key to 9/11 happening (that is before you start to entertain theories about deliberate Saudi and Israeli involvement~ we'll see more on that when the redacted 28 pages of the 9/11 report are published)

In that clip there are at least two cuts, and the last section of the film seems to be from the beginning in real time. The guy in the blue shirt and body armour crossing the roof at the end seems to be the same man taking cover next to the camera.
The cut at 0:17s could simply be a section removed while the camera was not focused, for example filming the back of a chimney stack while shots are being fired below.
The disjointed order and, possible, lack of continuity strikes me as a piece being edited in a rush and then aired before completion, rather than anything fabricated.

That seems like a perfectly reasonable analysis... my only remaining concern is whether or not it was broadcast as 'live footage' at the time

Runnnnn! Binners has the snipers moving in.

Bring it, I'll make kittens of the hardiest men. 8)

my only remaining concern is whether or not it was broadcast as 'live footage' at the time

Broadcast as 'breaking news' possibly, I don't think phone camera footage can be broadcast live? That would require a direct link.

Fair point... it could also be in the context of 'live developments'... as the 'Israeli Official' tweet shows, with the speed of modern communication, minor errors and misinterpretation are possible.

@jive, its not hard to imagine French bureaucracy would mean they are not the fastest to distribute news

I can but try; been doing pretty well so far, even if I do say so myself

as the 'Israeli Official' tweet shows, with the speed of modern communication, minor errors and misrepresentation are possible. And indeed seized upon to prove a prior hypothesis .

Indeed crankboy, indeed:

So the French released it first.
No flack jacket s one possible body warmer
No missing frames .
No impossible speed.
Stand down all is not suspicious.

Anything to add?

jivehoneyjive - Member
ocriders post is indeed enlightening and puts one concern to rest...

That seems like a perfectly reasonable analysis..

Fair point... it could also be in the context of 'live developments'

See a pattern emerging here, jive?

with the speed of modern communication, minor errors and misinterpretation are possible.

Plus, there's even more ill informed drivel for credulous asshats to latch on to and spout as "facts".

😀

Plus, there's even more ill informed drivel for credulous asshats to latch on to and spout as "facts".

Indeed there is Mr Flashheart, indeed there is...

Terry Wogan to David Icke (as the audience bursts into laughter at his claim to be jesus), patting him on the knee:

"David, David. They're laughing AT you, not WITH you."...

doesn't mean that everything is exactly how it's presented to us in the mainstream media.

Its quite likely the govt started the alien rumours to stop folk investigating military research for example.

Both of these are worth researching

Its quite likely the govt started the alien rumours to stop folk investigating military research for example.

Both of these are worth researching

Cool, let us know what you find and report back...

@jj interestingly if the Fox news "expert" had said something like, "there are parts of the UK where government funded schools have been taken over and teach Sharia Law" he wouldn't have had to apologise ... clearly the Birmingham is a no go area is total nonsense, in fairness to the lady presenter she looked appalled when he said it

EDIT: as an aside the Mayor of a French town on the Belgian border with a large North African immigrant population admitted the police don't go into certain areas as there are high levels of crime and hostility to the police ( 😯 ). This being exactly what Farage was referring to. The Fox news guy could have done the same.

Its quite likely the govt started the alien rumours

It is quite likely that some random, gullible people having hallucinations, or some joker like the "crop circle" funsters, started the alien rumours.

In Phillipines a group of Muslims protesting about the new CH cartoons burned a reproduction "front page" which replaced the image of the Phophet with a picture of Nettanyahu and an Israeli flag. This shows to me quite how confused are those protesting, it's a lot of hate against a number of different things.

[b]It also signals to me they believe the attack on the magazine and on the Jewish supermarket where equally justified.[/b]

Philippines is mostly Christian but with Indonesia next door and it being the worlds largest Muslim country not surprising there are some communities.

Cool, let us know what you find and report back...

as an aside the Mayor of a French town on the Belgian border with a large North African immigrant population admitted the police don't go into certain areas as there are high levels of crime and hostility to the police ( ). This being exactly what Farage was referring to. The Fox news guy could have done the same.

Yes, if he had said 'parts of birmingham' then there could be little argument - though the same applies to parts of numerous cities up and down the country, plenty of white estates in England where the police don't go.

We've got our own versions of Kowloon Walled City? Cool.

Henceforth, I think I'll refer to The Prophet as The Poppet.

I think its ridiculous there are parts of any place where the police don't go, white neighborhoods included (there are more than a few in Northern Ireland)

You have to admit that Kowloon Walled City was freaking cool though, shirley?

We've got our own versions of Kowloon Walled City? Cool.

Blackbird Leys?

Very good Tom.

yep no flackjackets plural one bodywarmer that could be a flack jacket .
still no Missing frames
still no impossible speed
still the French released it first.
still no observers on the roof pre warned so in flack jackets a group of evacuees on roof one of whom may or may not have a flack jacket on but if so has legit access.
You still can't understand why real life does not enfold like your idea of how it should . you still cant understand why it is more logical to take valid id on a martyr mission than not.
you still think if there is no visible blood in the first few seconds someone has not been shot , even if the family greave and a body is buried .
you still want this to be a conspiracy by ruling child abusing lizards to start a war .
I still believe it is a act of terrorism by some Islamic death cult bent on causing a backlash that will alienate the Muslim community,
my evidence:-
this is what the islamist death cult do everyday all over the world
The actors in this said that was what they were doing
the people in the lose affiliation brand AQ claim they ordered it
the partner ran to ISIS
there is no evidence that stands up to scrutiny to suggest otherwise
the only conspiracy actually revealed is the deliberate pre planned faking of a bbc web page to put forward the arguments jivehoney espouses which jivehoney was the only person on this forum to know about which was identified to him by one of his twitter "contacts"

Allright mate, don't have a cow about it.

@crankboy I really think @jj does this for a laugh, no one here is taking him that seriously

that's how i feel about you 😈

TBH i cannot tell if jive is trolling or believes either way its not a debate and facts dont sway him

Ninfan - do you really believe there are police free zones? I've lived in areas that maybe the police avoid or are wary of, but if they have good reason to go in they can and do ime

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-march-president-hollande-asked-israels-netanyahu-not-to-attend-paris-march-9971995.html ]Why didn't Hollande want Netanyahu to attend the march[/url]?

Whether you're serious or not jhj, what is becoming increasingly annoying is your derailing of any vaguely contentious/interesting threads with conspiracy theories which few believe. One assumes you've been warned about it - come on, give us a rest for a while.

Other forums have an ignore user feature. Obviously if we had here here most of us would never "speak" to each other.

JY - ouch, made that too easy for you

jamb, I find it easy to ignore those I can't be bothered reading because they're too long, patronising, boring etc. but it's the derailment of the thread that becomes a bit painful.

(AFAIK, there used to be a plug-in so that a user's posts could be blanked, but I'm not sure if that still works.)

It's by no means a derailment of the thread~ these are all developments in the story; how you choose to interpret them is up to you, but it seems to me that far from the free speech preached, you are actually encouraging censorship?

you are actually encouraging censorship?

Yeah, course I am mate.

(AFAIK, there used to be a plug-in so that a user's posts could be blanked, but I'm not sure if that still works.)

I think those that tried it found it more annoying seeing others answer posts they couldn't see.

Whether you're serious or not jhj, what is becoming increasingly annoying is your derailing of any vaguely contentious/interesting threads with conspiracy theories which few believe.

JY - ouch, made that too easy for you

how you choose to interpret them is up to you,

but it seems to me that far from the free speech preached, you are actually encouraging censorship?

Your famous ability to interpret the data laid bare for all to see:roll:

Essentially what is doing is asking the landlord if they could bar the village [s]idiot[/s] loudmouth from entering the pub and spouting his bollocks at us over and over again

I lean towards barring you as well as it is just pages of folk politely pointing out the flaws in everything you say. Its not a debate, its not even close to a debate. Its annoying.

Can you let the rational thinkers talk please?

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/singletrack-world-forum-e/cpgdlmbifgbhcoigdoeoooakijdionop?hl=en-GB

dont know if it still works as i dont use it.

So you'd rather talk about me, than the issues raised?

Why don't you bring something new to the table to discuss?

Why don't you bring something new to the table to discuss?

Why don't you just stay at the bar and let us eat in peace. 😛

I would rather do neither tbh

I have nothing new or otherwise to discuss with you as I only have rational points and evidence as my weapons and you are shielded from these.

Why don't you just stay at the bar and let us eat in peace.

Muhahahaha!

Must remember that comeback.

rational points and evidence

Cool, want to do a little presentation for us?

Oops looks like the CIA, FBI, MI5 whatever has been caught out again pretending to be Muslim fruit loops and shooting at folk.

[url= http://news.sky.com/story/1408633/suspected-jihadists-killed-in-belgium-raid ]more shooty stuff[/url]

I've come up with a solution to all this stuff btw, for every house Bovis and their likes want to build in the UK/West they have to build two in ****stan/Syria/Nigeria(potentially long list) that way we get les congestion they get a houses and may stop trying kill the rest of us.

I think it's a plan?