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Here ya go, chuckles...
Well, I can't see anybody calling anybody a racist there.
Btw, you'd do well against JY in the Cut'n'Paste wars.
Well, I can't see anybody calling anybody a racist there.
I can. It's not even that ambiguous, especially when taken in context with the posts surrounding it. And, as Edukator points out, he asked for Junkyard to perform one of his Super Quote Posts© in order to show where he demonstrated racism. He failed to do so.
Birmingham is a no-go area.
I wouldn't go there by choice or Luton, Leicester, Dewsbury, or dozens of other areas that are substantially Muslim can you honestly say you would, how about live there with your family?
I think there's a substantial difference between saying one doesn't fancy an area too much because, say, one's a bit bigoted and feels a bit too shiny amongst brown people, is a bit worried about their house price or maybe taught there and experienced brown-on-white racism and saying they're "no-go areas".
"Yeah I think it is more likely than not the Hebro attack was a false flag" I agree it is David Ike and his minions desperate to set up another conspiracy theory the dropped shoe is one of Ike's well known "secret signatures" notice how his fake BBC address was set up well in advance and the fake article with the fake balistics expert all ready to run . notice how his devoted disciple on this forum was running similar arguments even before he linked to the fake article . notice His too quick retraction when exposed coupled with inside knowledge as to how the fake worked . notice how the disiple of Ike's conspiracy theories seamlessly link this to the others. David Ike is running an armed false flag operation to increase his reach credibility and revenue.
Either that or it is that well documented lossely affiliated islamist death cult doing what they are doing all over the world every day just this time in Paris so westerners pay more attention .17 dead Paris.
Emerson's comments on Birmingham, despite recent problems both with the grooming/rape gangs and also radicalisation in schools exposed in the Trojan Horse investigation, and also the undoudbted truth that some areas very much are Muslim ghettos, were far enough off the mark to be amusing. That he is considered sufficiently clued-up to be an expert witness to Congress on international terror is, frankly, chilling.
Emerson's comments on Birmingham
'Fox News in "spouting complete bollox" shock'. Why does this surprise anyone?
I wouldn't go there by choice or Luton, Leicester, Dewsbury, or dozens of other areas that are substantially Muslim can you honestly say you would, how about live there with your family?
Are you serious? Really? I can honestly say I would. Because I have. Through choice. I never really gave it much thought. Why wouldn't you live in a predominantly Muslim area? Seriously? What on earth do you think is going to happen to you? I spent years living in a one with my family. One thing 'they' do is have a very strong sense of community. You never get any trouble. Great local shops that everyone uses, Contrary to American 'experts' opinion, or tabloid scaremongering, everyones friendly enough (not in a groomey, rapey way). Sharia law isn't enforced.
We got on very well with our Muslim (Saudi's too - the worst of the lot, apparently) neighbours. My kids played with their kids all the time, without showing any tendency towards suicide bombing or behaeadings.
Though thinking about it, Binnerette number 2 did start expressing a preference for long sleeved tops. Mmmmmmm .... actually, you may be on to something......
Allahu akbar
Charlie Ebdo print run now being discussed as 3 million, that's 50 times greater than normal. Front cover with image of Mohammed re-printed by numerous newspapers around Europe as well as online. As a result of the attacks fresh images will reach many millions that would previously not have seen them.
one's a bit bigoted and feels a bit too shiny amongst brown people
..or don't want a load of look at me and my religion types wandering around telling you what you can and can't do, shit houses because they expect allah to look after them and gangs trying to pick up kids cos white girls are trash.
* first hand experience btw before you start with the media hype ollocks.
The governments around Europe need to get a grip as this is spiralling out of their control
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I think it just adds another dimension to the existing european problems, that it continues to refuse to face up too. 40%+ youth unemployment in most of Southern Europe certainly isn't going to help with social cohesion, with or without a racial, religious dimension
Interesting take on it by the ever brilliant Paul Mason, yesterday
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/11/europe-survive-islamist-terror-learn-to-fight-for-values-holds-dear ]For many on the left, tolerance comes easily. But economic disarray has sapped the will to defend our principles of rationalism and individual liberty[/url]
Your cherry picking there Jambalaya, the anti pegida protests are outnumbering the pro peggida protests, both which are massively outnumbered by the solidarity marches in France.
The remarkable thing is it isn't spiraling out of control, there has been an incredible outpouring of solidarity and togetherness with the hate groups failing to make any sizable use of these dreadful acts to promote their vile views.
before you start with the media hype ollocks.
Well, look, if we're going to get all playground you-started-it-no-YOU-started-it...it wasn't me who started the bollocks.
Thanks for posting Binners - less chippy than normal from Mason. Compared with the sarcy baiting I received (plus ca change) I was interested in his colour on the anthem stuff
The latter leerily belted out the most embarrassing line of the Marseillaise – “Let’s spill the blood of the impure” – to jeers from others. The atmosphere, said my witness, “felt dangerous”.
I hope that you are correct MSP but as time passes I fear that you may not be. Social unrest is bubbling not far below the surface and economic pressure continues to mount. Just needs a spark....
As someone born and bred in B'ham, I recall the joke told by an Irish comedian in the 70s. How do you tell a true Brummie? By the shamrock in his turban. Like most things from the time, probably perceived as being not funny and unacceptable now, but with humour reflected the eclectic nature of Bham's population that IME largely got on well in those days and still largely does. B'ham has different problems.
I recall the joke told by an Irish comedian in the 70s. How do you tell a true Brummie? By the shamrock in his turban.
Jeez, people were easily entertained back in the 70s weren't they? 😆
(I suppose there's always TopGear for them these days.)
Apologies if these have already been mentioned (I did search). Thought they might be of interest.
Mayor of Rotterdam Ahmed Aboutaleb (himself a Muslim) regarding potential jihadists in the Netherlands:
Breitbart (Oliver Lane)
“It is incomprehensible that you can turn against freedom… But if you don’t like freedom, for heaven’s sake pack your bags and leave.”“There may be a place in the world where you can be yourself, be honest with yourself, and do not go and kill innocent journalists. And if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can f*** off.”
“This is stupid, this so incomprehensible. Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here. All those well-meaning Muslims here will now be stared at.”
Boris Johnson regarding Mayor Aboutaleb’s comments:
Telegraph (Boris Johnson)
“That is the voice of the Enlightenment, of Voltaire. We can and will protect this country (UK) against these jihadist thugs. We will bug them and monitor them and arrest them and prosecute them and jail them.But if we are going to win the struggle for the minds of these young people, then that is the kind of voice we need to hear – and it needs, above all, to be a Muslim voice.”
World Leaders Photos(on page 35 of this thread)
jivehoneyjive - Member
Camera tricks eh...
Ultra-Orthodox Jewish Newspaper Edits Female World Leaders Out of Charlie Hebdo March
From the MEDIAite comments:
“This is censorship of something not considered to be socially acceptable: men touching women they are not married to.”
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
Anyone here able to explain to me how this incitement to violence against women, is actually an allegory/out of context?
Tom you want to back that up with a source...i.e. which verse of the Quran states this?
French media are concentrating on the playground this morning. In junior's state school the minute of silence was respected by all, in Madames's place one kid laughed but quickly realised it was a bad idea and shut up. However, in about 60 schools many kids refused to respect the minute of silence and expressed support for the three killers.
Edit for Gonzy:
[004:034] Men are (appointed) in charge (and the caretakers) of women _ (they are held responsible for maintaining the women physically, financially, and emotionally) _ because Allah has given the one precedence over the other. Also, because they spend their means (to support the women). Thus, the virtuous women are obedient. They guard the rights of their husbands in their absence _ (the right) that Allah has upheld. If you perceive defiance (and disloyalty) from your women, admonish them, (then) keep them apart from your bed, and (then, as a last resort) beat them. If they relent and obey, do not seek the means to harass them. Of course, Allah is the most High, the Greatest!
[i]I wouldn't go there by choice or Luton, Leicester, Dewsbury, or dozens of other areas that are substantially Muslim can you honestly say you would, how about live there with your family?[/i]
[i]..or don't want a load of look at me and my religion types wandering around telling you what you can and can't do, shit houses because they expect allah to look after them and gangs trying to pick up kids cos white girls are trash.
* first hand experience btw before you start with the media hype ollocks.[/i]
Nothing like a bit of stereotyping.
Edukator - Troll
However, in about 60 schools many kids refused to respect the minute of silence and expressed support for the three killers.
I'm sure there are some that did but then some teachers have said:
Stéphanie played down the incident: “It’s meant to provoke us teachers. As soon as they figure out something we don’t want to hear, they are going to say it.”Bouchere also wondered how much of the students' dissent was the result of personal, heart-felt convictions, and how much was the desire to provoke. He said that the student who objected to observing the minute of silence in his presence was not Muslim.
“I think his reaction is more a product of his age, to impress his fellow students. I don’t think he is repeating what he hears at home,” he said.
[url= http://www.france24.com/en/20150112-france-teachers-charlie-hebdo-tragedy-students-challenge/ ]France 24[/url]
Although not good that anyone would support the killers.
I think the kids being a bit naughty is one of those things that one will interpret in accordance with one's own prejudices and come up with the conclusion one desired before consideration anyway.
Why is the magazine running that front cover? Its inciting and provocative. Purely to provoke trouble. Freedom of speech is about debate and being able to voice an opinion. When its designed purely to inflame that is wrong.
When its designed purely to inflame that is wrong.
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deadlydarcy - MemberI think the kids being a bit naughty is one of those things that one will interpret in accordance with one's own prejudices and come up with the conclusion one desired before consideration anyway
Sure.
France are sending their large aircraft carrier to the gulf, it is expected to participate in increased air strikes against ISIS. With Cameron due in Washington on Thursday it seems the West will respond to the Paris attacks with increased direct actions against IS
[url= https://news.vice.com/article/france-expected-to-send-its-largest-warship-to-the-gulf-to-fight-the-islamic-state ]France expected to send its largest warship to the gulf to fight Islamic State[/url]
Tragic bloodbath yes, but - can't help thinking that this:
Charlie Ebdo print run now being discussed as 3 million, that's 50 times greater than normal. Front cover with image of Mohammed re-printed by numerous newspapers around Europe as well as online. As a result of the attacks fresh images will reach many millions that would previously not have seen them.
is just a teensy-weensy bit "Four Lions"...
large aircraft carrier to the gulf, it is expected to participate in increased air strikes
[insert American accent] "We gonna kills us sum of thoze them Muslim types buoy" [/]
Your cherry picking there Jambalaya, the anti pegida protests are outnumbering the pro peggida protests, both which are massively outnumbered by the solidarity marches in France.
The marches in Paris where about respondng to the terrorist attacks, quite different to the anti Pegida marches in Germany. I went to Trafalgar Square to show solidarity with the French and defiance of terrorism.
Yes indeed there where anti-Pegida marches which in total outnumber Pegida in Dresden but in that city itself according to the BBC it was 35,000 Pegida vs 7,000 anti.
@Edukator, yes we saw on BFM TV reporting that some schools kids as young as 10 where refusing to honour the minutes silence as they said the cartoonists had insulted the Prohphet. I posted on this a few pages back. In fairness the Imam on the programme was quite concerned about what these kids must be hearing at home.
Still cherry-picking then. As you were.
Why is the magazine running that front cover? Its inciting and provocative. Purely to provoke trouble. Freedom of speech is about debate and being able to voice an opinion. When its designed purely to inflame that is wrong.
Well it's clearly a massive two fingers (or I guess one middle finger) to the extremists who have attempted to silence the magazine.
@dd, its a debate, as always feel free to put your point of view. As in France the far right in Germany is at record highs in the polls. It was obvious the events in France would lead to a significant increase in the Peguda demonstration.
Well this should make this year's summer holiday destination choice easier - the Prime Minister of Turkey is now on record as saying that the massacre in Paris was actually staged by the French as an excuse to attack Islam and Muslims:
[i]“The duplicity of the west is obvious,[/i]” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a press conference on Monday evening. “[i]As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres. The culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it,[/i]”
The leader of Turkey's AK Party goes one better:
“[i]Mossad [the Israeli intelligence service] is definitely behind such incidents?.?.?.?it is boosting enmity towards Islam[/i].” Mr Gokcek linked the attacks to French moves towards recognising Palestine. And Ali Sahin, a member of Turkey’s parliament and foreign affairs spokesman for the AK party, last week set out eight reasons why he suspected the killings were staged so that “[i]the attack will be blamed on Muslims and Islam[/i]”
This is just unbelievable but quite in line with last night's BBC Panorama which focussed on the efforts of extremists in the UK to portray Islam as being "under attack" and thus justify their murderous ideology.
Why is the magazine running that front cover? Its inciting and provocative. Purely to provoke trouble. Freedom of speech is about debate and being able to voice an opinion. When its designed purely to inflame that is wrong.
Because if this has done anything, its shown that the vast majority of people in France are in favour of free speech over violent tyranny. And they believe this is a cause worth fighting for.
Other than the fact that it actually features the prophet, which some seem to think is off limits in iitself, it isn't provocative at all. Far from it. Its very mild. Indeed there isn't really a comparison with the original cartoons which provoked all the outrage. I'm sure the professionally outraged will still be outraged, and continue to fail to understand the real concept of Freedom of Speech
Any suggestions on what they would have run as an alternative? A picture of some kittens perhaps?
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It was obvious the events in France would lead to a significant increase in the Peguda demonstration.
Well it went from 18000 a few weeks ago to 25000 this week.
However anti Pegida demonstrations this week have attendances of 30,000 in Leipzig, 20,000 in Munich and 19,000 in Hanover.
I've already felt the light touch of the mods on this thread but this is brilliant so I'll risk it;
Muslim Mayor of Rotterdam on live TV;
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It’s incomprehensible that you turn against freedom like that, but if you don’t like this freedom, for heaven’s sake, get your suitcase, and leave. There might be a place where you belong, and be honest with yourself about that, don’t kill innocent journalists.
This is so backwards, so incomprehensible, go away if you can’t find your place in The Netherlands, or accept the society we want to build here, because we only want people, including all those Muslims, and all those well-intentioned Muslims, who may be looked at with suspicion, we want to keep all those people together in what I call the “We Society”. And if you don’t like it here because you don’t like the humorists who make a little newspaper – if I may dare say so – just **** off.[/i]
warnign link contains nsfw word (abbreviated in the link itself);
[edit] link auto moderated. Google it.
its a debate
That's quite funny. Thanks. 😆
I think more likely than not the Hebdo attack is a false flag.
I think more than likely you think any event is a false flag
As for going to far with insult, how do people rate Junkyard calling me a racist earlier in the thread but then failing to provide quotes when asked?
Reread it in what world have I called you a racist.
Its a general quote as I am sure your post , to which i was replying, was a general point. FWIW all I was doing was the same as you; a vague and imprecise attack against folk whose views I do not agree with. Amusingly you said some forum members had turned being offended into an art form and then you then react like this oh the irony. Clearly I did a better job than you. Perhaps you will reflect on why they are a shitty thing to do ? I cannot believe I have needed to explain this and await the Edinburgh charge rather than you thinking about it.
he generally tends to insult
Its true I have a fairly low threshold to idiots on here and its true I do often insult them and folk. I do try [ or at least like to think I try], though clearly I don’t always achieve it, to be trying to make a point when I do rather than just compare folk to male genitalia. I realise that this distinction is too difficult for our more simple forum members* to grasp.
in about 60 schools many kids refused to respect the minute of silence and expressed support for the three killers.
Are you saying this so we can applaud them for the freedom of choice and support their right to dissent and stick up two fingers up to the [western] establishment or because what they have done offends you?
Pretty decent cartoon by Hebdo I would say and fairly restrained given events
Lady was interviewed on Radio 4 explained it pretty well
*See what I did there eh get it 😉
Oh shut up Junkyard, you big bread wren. I presume Teasel meant 'bredren' in his earlier post, but it still made me hoot!
France are sending their large aircraft carrier to the gulf, it is expected to participate in increased air strikes against ISIS. With Cameron due in Washington on Thursday it seems the West will respond to the Paris attacks with increased direct actions against IS
more of this then
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Only the swans can silence me now
no more fowl puns please
I presume Teasel meant 'bredren' in his earlier post, but it still made me hoot!
🙂 I did indeed.
It’s good to see a modicum of humility, Junkyard, at least you’re aware you do it. But as someone else pointed out, you have no manners when it comes to some users of this forum. Whether or not you’re like this in your dealings with people in the flesh, I have no idea, but you come across as a very rude person on a regular basis. Take this thread by way of an example - earlier, the topic briefly shifts to firearms and weapons etc. to which you point out guns beget guns or similar. CFH chimes in with something wholly irrelevant to anything but your comment about guns and you respond a little further down the thread. Someone then makes a comment (can’t remember who) and you slam them for it not being relevant to the topic being discussed. Now, what would you call something like that? You do that very regularly - you let things slide with folk you have banter with but admonish those that aren’t part of that banter group or whatever it is you call things like that…can’t quite put my finger on it... 😉
Anyway, it’s not just you, but on this thread alone a few users could probably take a stand back from their vain pseudo intellectual posturing and contemplate this little gem from a fellow who had more wisdom and intellect in his exhaled breath than you or I will have in our entire existence:
[b][i]
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. [/i][/b]
Not trying to insult, merely provoke a little introspection for the benefit of the whole.
"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. "
Who said that then?
Pretentious, moi?
You've not met JY then?
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It's a pretty emotive topic teasel. Of course people are going to get a bit wound up. Add to this the various histories between various posters, who, if they're honest, often taken positions in accordance with the positions taken by the posters they dislike the most.
Otherwise, with your little essay on Junkyard, you might be overthinking things.
Given the subject at hand, it's a credit to the contributors (and mods who I assume have had to keep a handle on things all along) that it's stayed open this long. Your entry (or maybe re-entry...I have no idea if you've posted earlier) on the last page (I think) seemed purely designed to have a go at a few people - mainly JY.
Either join in the debate, accept that there's a bit of thread drift from time to time in a 43 page thread, or just read it and fume quietly.
[i]Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.[/i]
I don't know who said it, but I'm sure they were thinking of junky! 😕
Who said that then?
Plato.
I believe he also invented the plate and various other eating utensils...
The excellent vice news, well worth watch IMO - Dispathces 2 (featuring Paris Imam) and 3 (rally coverage plus commentary from journalists on the roof who had filmed some of the attack and who had filmed a documentary featuring one of the jihadists)
seemed purely designed to have a go at a few people - mainly JY.
Nope, just pointing out the racism thing as asked by another user.
And I have made a few (probably worthless) contributions to the thread earlier on. My point has nothing to do with thread deviation and I find it weird that's what you took from my post. What were you saying about preconceptions earlier...
"Who said that then?
Plato."
Did he really source for that?
Plato.
This attribution is to be doubted, there is no record of it in his dialogues.
If Plato was a alive today he's be sending abusive tweets to Katie Hopkins
Did he really source for that?
This attribution is to be doubted, there is no record of it in his dialogues.
🙂
Good stuff, guys. Really good stuff....
Nope, just pointing out the racism thing as asked by another user.
But as JY and I pointed out, noone was "called a racist".
Anyway, I have no desire to make any more points on it to you. That kind of thing just gets the thread closed.
But as JY and I pointed out, noone was "called a racist".
And I pointed out I disagree. I think it was pretty clear.
Anyway, I have no desire to make any more points on it to you.
🙂
Okay, fella. That's fine by me.
Plato and in particular the 'republic' are quite relevant to the topic in particular his pro censorship arguments and his view that there was no place for an artist in a "just" city .
It is not just the Dialogues that don't contain the quote it is entire body of work in so far as I can gather.
The use of the pseudo quote is also relevant to the thread in general with received "wisdom" from the internet being put forward as definitive fact.
any way I only came back to this to post about Dewsbury it is a hole it has been for my life time that is nothing to do with race or religion it is to do with the death of the mills the poor location in terms of transit links and the poor housing stock . given the decline of local industry its only viable function is as a dormitory town but it has poor links and the houses are not attractive to people who can afford to commute. (lived up the hill in posh Ossett)
The excellent vice news
Imagine if Murdoch owned a good chunk of Vice News!!!
Oh, hang on...
Well this should make this year's summer holiday destination choice easier - the Prime Minister of Turkey is now on record as saying that the massacre in Paris was actually staged by the French as an excuse to attack Islam and Muslims:“The duplicity of the west is obvious,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a press conference on Monday evening. “As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres. The culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it,”
The leader of Turkey's AK Party goes one better:
“Mossad [the Israeli intelligence service] is definitely behind such incidents?.?.?.?it is boosting enmity towards Islam.” Mr Gokcek linked the attacks to French moves towards recognising Palestine. And Ali Sahin, a member of Turkey’s parliament and foreign affairs spokesman for the AK party, last week set out eight reasons why he suspected the killings were staged so that “the attack will be blamed on Muslims and Islam”
IMO Turkey should have been booted out of Nato a long time ago.
Not seen him posting on the Singletrack forum, but I hear he has made the odd appearance on Pistonheads and is still alive and well.binners - Member
If Plato was a alive today he's be sending abusive tweets to Katie Hopkins
Oh [i]that[/i] Plato.
Farage on Fox News.
[url= http://video.foxnews.com/v/3985683598001/nigel-farage-says-europe-has-suffered-from-moral-cowardice/?#sp=show-clips ]http://video.foxnews.com/v/3985683598001/nigel-farage-says-europe-has-suffered-from-moral-cowardice/?#sp=show-clips[/url]
Jaw dropping stuff from both people involved.
I know we all think JHJ is a bit OTT with his conspiracy stuff but if what Fox News puts out is believed by most Americans who watch it then maybe there is a bit of a conspiracy going on in that area - it's just bonkers stuff.
Farage loves it, of course, as it gives him an open goal to shoot at.
You can see why Turkey might have reason to doubt Israel
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10203726 ]9 activists on ship bringing aid to Gaza killed by Israeli commandos in international waters[/url]
[url= http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/un-panel-israel-suppressing-footage-of-gaza-flotilla-raid-1.316201 ]What the BBC report fails to mention is that Israeli authorities confiscated footage from journalists aboard the flotilla[/url]
This footage managed to be smuggled out:
Good vids Jambalaya, with most views represented. "Le Pen" is pronounced the same as in English BTW, rather than the journalist's "pain" as in bread.
I've been following German and French media throughout but STW is my only source for the UK reaction. I've been contributing the odd anecdote but left it to Binners to make pretty much the same contributions I'd have made through the first few pages.
Although there is only a narrow stretch of sea between Britain and France there is a significant cultural divide, I'm aware of it and self-moderate my views both for the few people I still know in the UK and STW. There's an even greater cultural divide between my home and a "cité" just a few kms from my home. The self-moderation has to go up a level there, my son is very good at it, he enjoys spending a few days away with the school athletics teams and gets on fine with the Muslims, feeling empathy with some of their views but frustration with others - he like most, when it's not all, of the team members are "issu(e)s de l'immigration". It's clear that his friends' cultural references are very different to the TV, radio and Internet sites consulted in the Ed household.
In recent years the events in north Africa and the Middle East have dominated the TV news and highlighted the cultural divides that people had been living peacefully with for decades, you get one version through the BBC, I get another version through Europe 1 and ZDF, "they" get another through the north African channels. I hope that we'll look back at the Charlie events and say that from then on things improved because it demonstrated the importance of "les valeurs républicaines" and "l'unité nationale".
I doubt it though, the days in which everyone in France watched the news on either TF1 or France 2 are long gone. The sense of national unity that came from shared media experiences has gone and communities are retreating into their own media ghetos. The divides are growing when you would hope that satelite TV and the Net opening up the whole world to people would be eroding them.
I don't have an answer or even much of an opinion. I observe and shake my head in dismay.
Well this should make this year's summer holiday destination choice easier - the Prime Minister of Turkey is now on record as saying that the massacre in Paris was actually staged by the French as an excuse to attack Islam and Muslims
What did he say about Jimmy Saville and Prince Charles?
Imagine if Murdoch owned a good chunk of Vice News!!!Oh, hang on..
@jive, I didn't know Murdoch was an investor so thanks for pointing that out, I am not sure if I would 5% is a good chunk though, Walt Disney owns more.
@Edukator, Agreed, on the balance. I hope a few people here take the time to watch them and don't think that because I have posted them they are not balanced/worth watching. Their 45 min ISIS documentary is excellent, probably the best I've seen.
We shouldn't be surprised at comments from Turkey, during the election campaign a now elected minister (I forget which one exactly) said Turkish women would be more modest and bow their heads when men look at them and not smile or do anything to "encourage" them. Having been pushed back from joining the EU they have made a deliberate move more Eastwards socially and politically.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/murdoch-family-tighten-their-grip-on-vice-8953023.html ]Murdoch Family tighten their grip on vice[/url]
So, er, yeah, James Murdoch is on the Vice Media board of directors...
That thing about Israeli commandos killing 9 activists providing aid for Gaza didn't get quite as much attention from 'World Leaders' though, eh?
For today at least ,Edukator's "Troll" should be replace with " Voice of reason".
For today at least ,Edukator's "Troll" should be replace with " Voice of reason".
I was considering emailing him to tell him his account had been hacked. (-: Thanks for the posts, it's interesting to hear that side of the story.
it's a credit to the contributors (and mods who I assume have had to keep a handle on things all along) that it's stayed open this long.
To be fair, there's been little to do. It's been broadly civilised apart from the sudden round of "who has the biggest e-peen" on the last couple of pages. The thread now has over 1500 posts, and there's just two been deleted. (Don't ask me what, I'd have to wade back through 44 pages to find them.) So credit to the contributors, indeed.
[i]Don't ask me what, [/i]
one was a cartoon with a swear word in it 😳
It's been broadly civilised apart from the sudden round of "who has the biggest e-peen" on the last couple of pages.
My apologies to all, it wasn't meant to be disruptive or aggressive. I think it was actually more of a defensive stance, similar to Apollo in the trial of Gaius Baltar, though who's who I couldn't begin to tell ya...
I'll keep my hands away from the keyboard in future discussions. Probably for the best, anyway.
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Edit : Oh, and...
I was considering emailing him to tell him his account had been hacked. (-:
proper lolz or something...
That thing about Israeli commandos killing 9 activists providing aid for Gaza didn't get quite as much attention from 'World Leaders' though, eh?
@jive, watch the vice news pieces they are excellent independent of who is on the board of directors. As for the Turkish boat thing it got a huge amount of coverage at the time and afterwards and lead to an international investigation at the UN (I recall) where Israel was cleared. The Turks were told not to send the boat, they did so anyway and when they where intercepted the Israelis where attacked with iron bars. We've debated all of this on STW by the Anyone is free to send aid to Gaza via Israel, the Isrealis let the Turks know that in advance but the whole point of the boat was to spark a confrontation. The Israeli's regularly intercept vessels, they stopped one not that long ago full of missiles from Iran.
@teasel - if you just stay away we just end up with implicit censorship where only posted he "accepted STW viewpoint" is allowed.
There is another website I spend time called Sailing Anarchy, the political forum there is rather spicey to say the least. The website is international but I'd wager most of the posters there are from the US.
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They stopped one not that long ago full of missiles from Iran.
5th March 2014?
if you just stay away we just end up with implicit censorship where only posted he "accepted STW viewpoint" is allowed.
Indeed and I admire your tenacity and tolerance to do the opposite.
I'll take a gander at that message board, thanks.
The Turks were told not to send the boat
Wow so israel gets to decide what goes to other counties from Turkey
Quite lucky they had guns to shoot them as the israeli forces engaged in act of piracy ehthe Israelis where attacked with iron bars
Anyone is free to send aid to Gaza via Israel
Gawd bless em for this...controlling what help others give to the land they occupy
Imagine if Iran stopped the US from sending aid to Israel except via then and then attacked them for doing it. How would you view this?
This is why I object to your view as apart from Israel is always right its pretty hard to see what "principle" you apply in these situations. You sure wont be defending Iran if they did this.
There is "no accepted STW view" { IMHO its pretty diverse and credit goes to everyone from the mods to the contributors, only thing we have in common is liking the sound of our own opinions / enjoying a good debate if you prefer] and debate and all views are to be encouraged and held up to the same rational analysis. When your argument fails this test dont get upset [or overly personal] or think everyone is against you. Instead re evaluate your views [ like that will ever happen]
This is quite long but worth a read IMO [url= http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/war-between-two-worlds#axzz3OiNmdaDA ]Stratfor: A war between two worlds[/url]