Mudhugger on an orange or other bike with no seat stays

Have you seen Mudhuggers video?

Thanks- Yes seen the video, should have said that apologies. It’s pretty hard to follow the bit where he’s notching and how much ‘foot’ is left!

I also saw an ancient post on here where the view was it didn’t work. However i don’t know if the hugger design or recommended approach is  different now.

Have an Orange Five and would suggest looking at the Mucky Nutz Rear MugGuard

https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Mucky-Nutz-Rear-MugGuard_260974.htm?sku=937955&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=Mucky+Nutz&utm_campaign=shopping&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvpy5BhDTARIsAHSilyn91ru4hjotMZB6ZnogHZiNu6k0yuJD06fyCP8Owxg4eSvC5KNWG50aAmHSEALw_wcB

Thanks. What wheel size on your five and also do you need to modify the muckynutz- looks similar design to the mudhugger so won’t be at the right angle without some sort of adjustment.

@muddyjames I followed the video and put a Large MK2 Rear Mudhugger on my Orange Stage Evo in February this year and it has proved very secure but CBA take it off so mtb mates have been generous with their comments during the summer ..

Jamie or Bruce at Mudhugger recommended checking the zipties every 3 months for signs of looseness.

Thanks @nickingsley. Did you do the mod ala the video? How long is the foot stub that you left?

Thanks. What wheel size on your five and also do you need to modify the muckynutz- looks similar design to the mudhugger so won’t be at the right angle without some sort of adjustment

The Five is a 27.5er (?)

The muckynutz adjusts via a pivot point.

The Mucky Nutz rear mudguard can be used in two orientations.
Short - as an all-year-round shock guard
Long - for full-length protection, when it gets mudtastic

Each MugGuard is made in the UK using 100% recycled plastic and comes with re-useable VELCRO® fasteners, so you can attach it to your pride and joy with ease.

In short mode, it works mighty fine as an all-year-round guard, protecting your rear shock and magnificent calves against splatter and matter, thrown by the back wheel.

And when the weather turns to sh**, simply whip out and attach the extension for full-length protection.

Full sus or hardtail, the MugGuard works impeccably on both. And is compatible with 26" to 29" wheel diameters and tyres up to 3" wide... possibly a tad more.

Using its innovative dial feature, tune the guard's angle to achieve the desired clearance with your rear tyre.

Each arm has a rubber base, for maximum grip on your seat stays and to help protect your bike's precious paintwork.

@muddyjames. Pretty well followed the video but used wider zip ties and inner tube where the zip ties were as I didn't think the Invisiframe on the bike would be tough or grippy enough. 'Foot' length approx 150mm such the end of the foot is sits in the 'recess' in the back of the chain stay.

Just remembered, I also cut some of the 'ledge' on the 'foot' away where the 'ledge' crosses from the top of the 'chainstay' to the 'recess', hence why there are no zipties along the middle of the "foot'.

Thanks.  So the foot doesn’t sit on the top of the stay like I think it does in the video - That’s helpful to know. not sure what you mean by the ledge on the foot though!

@muddyjames hopefully 3 pictures is a 1,000 words .. though 40yrs since I last used isometric paper!

Strongly recommend doing what suits you on your bike hence why I have not given the length of the cut away and not easy to measure. This has worked v well for me. The larger zipties are 7 or 8mm width.

Good luck!

You can always widen the stance to fit the swing arm using a heat gun, that's how you fit a standard rear hugger to a 197mm wide fat bike frame too.

^ good point.

Issue with the very low 'seat stay' angle on Oranges is that the foot cannot sit on top of or along the bottom of the seat stay. The 'foot'   has to go across the seat stay otherwise the Mudhugger hits the seat tube, the other end is so far from the tyre it has limited benefit and .. .. you get even more banter than you really need (hands over ears emoji).

Hopefully the above helps the OP

@nickingsley. Brilliant thank you. You kept that paper just in case it was needed though! Chapeau for that too!

No worries, hope you can make some use of the information.

Isometric paper .. .. the power of the internet ..

https://www.waterproofpaper.com/graph-paper/isometric-paper.shtml