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Finally got one, the larger size. Interesting experience from a design point of view. As a tablet it's a bit odd. Windows 10 is not as good in tablet mode as Android - some things still have hints of desktoppyness about them, and the back button isn't consistent. Google Earth isn't usable. Of course, fit the keyboard (which I haven't yet bought) and its a laptop, much better than a true tablet OS. Also in tablet mode it really is a bit big to handle.
However as an object it's incredible. Insane how thin it is and the fan is brilliantly engineered.
Anyone else got one? Enjoying it?
Nah! I have an iPad pro.
Yep, got a surface pro 4 that I use for my mIn work machine. Just a shame windows is so bad at display scaling you have to log off and back on when docking and undocking (if using external monitors) unless you want icons half the size of the screen or so small you can't see them.
Installed Photoshop... looks pretty cramped and even more intimidating than on a normal PC.
Also, not sure why I get autocorrect on the on screen keyboard sometimes and not others...
Yes I have a Pro 3 that I use instead of my laptop when I am travelling by train or when on holiday. The keyboard transforms it into a real alternative to a laptop. And the bendy Bluetooth mouse is just so cool. Combine that with a folding plug and you can pack the whole lot into a really small bag.
It's not a great tablet, but I like it as a dockable byod type thang. It's good enough for the little I use it travelling, and better than a small notebook in that time, and an excellent PC when docked and hooked up to a good screen etc.
Only thing I don't like is that fan - seems to need to run rather a lot to keep things cool, but thats the price of carting an i5 around in something that thin.
It's more useful to me than an iPad Pro (had one of those for a few weeks), but that's down to ecosystem and apps I need to be running.
I had the first one (still have but an update killed it). I can see how it would be perfect for some use cases, just not the ones I have.
I got it because my work laptop is huge and a pain when cycling. Also, I didn't own my own laptop any more and turns out you aren't supposd to use work's one for lots of personal stufff. Who knew?
Yeah, good laptop light. Not so good tablet+
Oddly crap on your actual lap though.
Yeah... wondering if I will lice to regret it because of that.
Really wanted to be able to sketch diagrams and similar during conversations at work without having to go through reams of paper that get covered in increasing amounts of scribble as the meaning gets lost.
Also crap on the train unless you get a proper table.
Have you tried Linux on it yet?
Linux.. no... tempting though. Will probably try it in a vm though.
What's better, this or an iPad mini with Logitech keyboard case?
iPad runs iOS software, Surface runs all Windows software, which is pretty much everything. It's a full PC so you can run virtual machines, Visual Studio, Eclipse, and all that. If you need to do those things and also want a tablet, there's no contest. The pen is also pretty damn cool. Also I suspect the higher end Surfaces are by far the lightest i5/i7 devices around, but I haven't checked.
Really are quite different things. iPad/Android will be better as a tablet, probably. But I think the Surface Pen is cooler than any other pen.
It's on my list molgrips for basically the reasons you have. For me a tablet is just a fancy media device which I can't justify but make it a solid powerful pc and it appeals.
I have a pro 2, and I like it. I've had it for nearly 3 years now and been through the win 8 and win 10 versions. I've never had any other tablet so I can't really say how it compares but I like the small, light laptop nature of it and I'm happy to use the keyboard, although when I'm at either office I dock it and use a large monitor and keyboard. Photoshop on the surface screen was nearly unusable for me, but the 2 has a smaller screen than the later versions. When I'm away I can connect it to the hotel tv and watch HBOgo or NBC sports or whatever.
Got two - one personal and one from work. Much easier to carry around than my previous laptop and docking to a larger screen and keyboard gives you two screens which I find really useful. Still getting used to One Drive and the pen.
As 10. I have the 2, wife has the 3.
I love the presentation mode on it, being able to scribble during the presentation is awesome.
I'm sure others do it as well, but I like the experience on the Pro.
Just been given a Surface 3 at work, installed Open Office fine, installed AV and the screen freezes on start up everytime. Tried to do a reset, the reset has failed so I've had to download the restore pack from MS and buy a 16gb USB stick for the privilege of restoring it. Lovely to look at, but that's all I can do at the moment is look at it!
I have a 3 (typing on it at the moment) - I don't use it as a tablet much, but as a laptop with a touchscreen it's great. With CAD software, very useful to be able to use the mouse/trackpad and pinch/move on the screen at the same time.
Adding the keyboard from the 4 was a big improvement, the 3 keyboard was a bit meh and then it broke.
So I'm very fond of it - it's a very slim laptop, basically, that can run all the software I want without struggling.
Benji, don't install AV on it. W10 comes with AV.
I love the presentation mode on it, being able to scribble during the presentation is awesome.
How've you done this? One Note? Or does PowerPoint let you do it too?
Benji, don't install AV on it. W10 comes with AV
I have since come to understand this! It won't happen again 😉
They're great machines, just don't drop one 🙂
My work laptop is a Surface Book. Nice machine, I just don't use it much as a tablet tbh.
I've got one, along with the keyboard and the pen. It is brilliant, and the only 'laptop' I can imagine buying in the future.
The keyboard is extremely easy to type on; indeed, I think I can type far more quickly on it than on anything I've ever used before. And while I can understand how some might find it awkward on their lap, I bought [url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Feather-Light-Composite-Aluminum-Military/dp/B016ATD48O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473801573&sr=8-1&keywords=surface+pro+uag+cases ]a UAG case[/url] that mitigates any problems.
I have used it as a tablet and as a laptop, and while it definitely works best as the latter, it certainly isn't rubbish as the former.
Have ( and using now) a Pro 4. Absolutely love it. Had a Pro 1 before it that bricked prematurely. Microsoft replaced with a Pro 3 but not before I had already bought the Pro 4!!!
Son now has a pro 3 to take to uni!
As an aside, if anyone wants a pro 1 genuine Microsoft charge cable/pack for £15 delivered then let me know....found it last week!
I'm a Chrome user but it doesn't seem to work very well on the Surface.
Don't let your wife stand on the screen - 300quid to swap out for a replacement unit.
BOught a Surface 3 due to the cost for 100 quid more, now have a Pro3 with knackered screen turned off so effectively a shit laptop, but still usuable, and a Surface 3 that I use for notes in meetings.
My favourite s****y case maker Noreve does some lovely surface and pro3 cases
Molgrips - on both is fine. Office has the start inking button, and you can use the Pen on that.
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Don't let your wife stand on the screen - 300quid to swap out for a replacement unit.
Or more simply put don't leave an expensive PC on the floor? Unless there was some sort of strange game we really don't need to know about that involved geting her to stand on it
Possibly dumb question; does the clippy on keyboard allow you to use it in 'laptop' mode on your lap, or does it need a table?
I'm on my pro 4 on my lap on a train as i type this. It's not as good as a proper laptop like this but it's OK... You dont have to use a table.
Use mine as my main computer at work with the dock and a large screen. It's really good.
Like he says I use my Pro2 on my lap but it isn't like a laptop where the screen is supported by the keyboard. The tablet balances on my legs using the kickstand and the keyboard being attached makes it stable.
My wife has a flip out case that makes it more stable. She almost never uses it on a table.
Possibly dumb question; does the clippy on keyboard allow you to use it in 'laptop' mode on your lap, or does it need a table?
I have the case I mentioned in one of my posts above, and I use it everywhere. I hardly ever have a table to put it on.
Awesome, cheers chaps. I can see one of these being the replacement for my ageing laptop.
Just used my Surface as a paper pad for the first time - one of the main reasons I wanted one.
Having a discussion with a colleague, wanted to sketch the concepts visually as we do.. so I grabbed the pen, clicked the button on the end and started drawing. The future is here. No trees were condemned during this knowledge transfer.
i have one and love it
Windows recognises me with a bike helmet on.
This post was hand written.
I've been looking at cases. Has anyone found a really slim rubbery protector like you might find for your phone? I don't want a flip out cover really, just some slight protection.
I know the one I posted above doesn't match your criteria, exactly, but I have to say that it is especially good on both the protective front and the convenience. The fact that it holds the pen in a clip-in fashion means that I have not yet lost it, whereas when I was depending on the magnet, it fell off and I temporarily lost it twice.
I think you'll find it hard to get a better combination in a case.
EDIT: I should add that you can take a look at the one I bought if you want. If you're in town, that is.
Yeah I might take a look. But I bought the damn thing to be thin, so making it as thick as a normal laptop defeats some of the purpose.
I think I will probably also purchase a simple neoprene pouch for travelling etc. So I might not need protectors.
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/noreve-tradition-b-microsoft-surface-pro-3-leather-case-black-p46020.htm
Get it here for a considerable amount less than here
But you only get one colour choice not something in sexy pink patina
Got a fake leather pouch for a tenner.
Had a Pro4 since JAN. And tbh, what a piece of Cr*p.
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many stupid bugs and things that don't work, or work for a bit then stop working it's just not funny any longer.
Once they actually finish developing it (and win10) then it'll be ok.
It's finished now. Mine works fine. You do have updates on, don't you?
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many stupid bugs and things that don't work, or work for a bit then stop working it's just not funny any longer.
What are you talking about?!? I have had one for slightly less time, and have had no such experiences.
Found that its quite good on my lap at about 45 degrees without the keyboards , using on screen typing. Needs less lap room. Could work on a train like this.
List of things that went wrong, got fixed, then went wrong again, then weren't fixed, then worked, then sort of worked:
1) not being able to turn it on (press button, nothing happens, have to hold button for 15 sec to get full hard restart - mostly fixed now)
2) Turning off, but not - turn off, come back later to find flashing battery symbol as it hadn't actually shut down, despite screen being off
3) rear camera being unable to auto focus - about 50/50 this one.
4) Touch screen crashes - have to unplug and reconnect keyboard or restart to get it working again
5) pen ceases working. remove battery, wait 30 sec, replace battery, works again
6) lots of software issues, including excel bugs (try and edit a chart series in excel and see what happens!!), drivers suddenl stopping working etc
7) the pen, was a mouse, then wasn't now is again (started off being able to use pen to select text etc, then MS ade it just be a pen, so all it would do is draw over everything, then people (rightly) told them to put it back to be able to be a mouse too
Google "surface Pro problems" for a full list of the horror!
or take a look at the ms forums for lots of ranting at them!
If it were a cheap tablet i'd be a lot less critical, but for something so expensive it's a joke
I have one (Suface Pro 4 I5, 120g), it been great for me, replaced an aging Ipad, I use it mostly for work, so far no issues.
I did get a 200g mini Sd card so plenty of space, and much more versatile than my ipad.
Maxtorque.. seems strange, I've had none of those issues, so it seems strange that yours won't have updated to the same state by now.
Minley - do you use your SD card for just data storage or can you fit actual software on it?
I've had a Surface Pro 3 i5 for a long while now and love it. Windows 10 makes more sense for tablet use than the old Windows 8 but battery life has dropped a little. I got a lot of typing errors on the keyboard at first but I now lie it flat on the table rather than in tilt mode and it works great. I have played with a pro 4 keyboard and they are much better.
I actually love it as a tablet, infinite kickstand means that you can balance it on your legs at any angle no matter what you are sitting on. I can be comfortable and I don't need to support the tablet at all which is a huge benefit with a large device. It was a strange transition away from apps at first but having full windows and internet capability makes a great tablet experience.
For some reason I don't get on with the pen, my 9 year old however loves pressing the button to activate one note whilst I am in the middle of some work.
I use the SD for Data, but as far as I can see there would be no reason not to put software on it, as you can choose where to save, either the Surface or the card.
Hmm. The trackpad on the new keyboard is easily the best I've used. It's really lovely.
More observations on the keyboard... lap typing on the sofa is actually easier with the keyboard folded back, cos the screen is a bit closer and easier to read.
[url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/MoKo-Microsoft-Surface-Computer-Carrying/dp/B00U8MP5VY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1474107237&sr=8-2&keywords=moko+surface+pro+4+sleeve ]Bought this[/url] for a sleeve for transporting it. It's pretty nice, remarkably so for a tenner. It's got some sort of stiff board under the fake leather to help stop pokey things. Fake leather is nice to handle and not at all nasty.
Right, minor thread revival. I'm going to buy one of these, just a bit confuzzled on specs.
I need it for Wording, Excelling, iPlaying, Netflixing and general Internetting. I'm thinking the i5, 128gb, 4gb RAM, that seem right?
doing all that on a windows i3 laptop from 4-5 years ago...
Even an iPad could do that stuff 🙂