[Closed] Moto GP 2013

Mmmmm exciting stuff this year!

Yehaa 😀 off to look at the times in a few mins, I fear for young Bradley.

Ooooh very interesting 😆 how is Danni going to cope with Marquez?

So good to see Rossi up there.

Marquez will be awesome in quite a few races but will probably bin too many to win the whole thing in his first season. First thing I did was look for Stoner... he will be missed.

Got a horrible feeling Ben's Pies is going to have a season long nervous breakdown - still getting over his bust shoulder, I hope he doesn't end up hurting himself again.

Glad Cal dodged the Ducati bullet - Hayden's still way off the pace and it can't be long before he bails too.

This is going to be the best year for ages at the front though, with - fingers crossed.

I'm going to miss Casey - I liked him a lot, but his departure just means closer racing.
Let's face it, he was just too good - certainly a muh faster rider than Rossi ever was.

Does anyone else think young Bradders is turning into Steve Hislop?
Looks wise anyway..... 🙂

Rubbins racin as they say but not sure the Marquez barge them out the way tactic is going to work with the big boys. I reckon Danni is the rider under most pressure this year.

Looking forward to a good year

I'm going to miss Casey - I liked him a lot, but his departure just means closer racing.
Let's face it, he was just too good - certainly a muh faster rider than Rossi ever was.
Stoner the moaner a spoilt kid.......much faster than rossi ever was, it obvious you haven't been following gp's for very long

Ooooh are we going to have an argument about the cry baby toss pot wah wah my bike was this my bike was that people don't respect me my tyres didn't work asswipe Stoner.

Glad he has gone 😆

I've been following bike racing since 1976 😀

Rossi changed teams because he couldn't bear to be beaten on equal machinery.
He whinged and whined just as much as Casey, but without justification.

He's a master manipulator.

Casey was the faster rider. The better one too. Comparative Ducati performances prove that.

Rossi fanatics make me laugh. Racing went on before he arrived and will continue when he's gone.

Rossi haters make me laugh 😆

[i]I've been following bike racing since 1976. [/i]

Youngster then.

Rossi; is, was and will continue to be one of the best, if not the best ever - until the next best ever.

In fact, some folk reckon he's better than Hailwood was 😉

I still wouldn't bet against George tho'.

These threads play havoc with my vanity searches.

Thank god he's retired! 😀

I don't hate him.
Great racer, one of the best of all time.

But I can't stand people who think anyone is beyond criticism.
Such a blinked and ignorant view.

No one is beyond criticism

Casey was the faster rider. The better one too. Comparative Ducati performances prove that.

You're right. 😀

It was much more highly developed when Rossi failed to make it work.

😆 yes developed into a shopping trolley 😆

Regardless of who was the biggest moaner (and Rossi was certainly in the running for that award last year) there was no finer sight in MotoGP than Stoner giving it the beans. I will certainly miss that.

Must admit I don't get all the moaner stuff. In interviews he always seemed to tell it like it was, and not try and portray some media friendly image. Anyway, thread had got off to a good start there, back to 2013...

Getting back to 2013 for a moment...

I'm really excited for this season, I reckon there are going to be 6 or 7 podium contenders in each race, far better than the procession of 2/3 last season.

Think Dovi has made a mistake going to Ducati and by the pictures from today's test I think he has realised that as well

I'll be looking for whether Marquez can be consistently quick under race conditions, whether the 'aliens' will let him be without complaining to race direction, Cal picking up more podiums and maybe that elusive win (in the rain? Following crashes?), solid seasons from the other Brits and Bradl surprising a lot of people.

You're right.

It was much more highly developed when Rossi failed to make it work.

Yes, but the other bikes had been developed too, and to actually have some front end feel..

Looking forward to the season, should have some belting races this year with the new riders coming in

Casey was the faster rider. The better one too. Comparative Ducati performances prove that.

The only reason that Stoner won on the Ducati was because initially Ducati had an advantage when GP converted to 800cc. The Ducati engine made the jump very easily.

The fact that he trailed off considerably before he jumped ships to Honda spoke volumes about the bike.

Id like to see stoners crack the throttle n hang on style work on the old 500 strokers
For the record mick doohan was the best and hardest
Rossi's history of wins over many different evolution of bike un paralleled
Kevin Schwantz there was a man with guts

It would be good to see Rossi back on the pace - there is just something about his style that makes Lorenzo seem a bit dull.
The Ducati seemed to get worse as he tried to ride it ...

Marquez is already awesome and looks like he will add some spice!
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And Cal appears to be trying too, but rumour has it the works team is being reserved silverware for Rossi PR and media exposure at the expense of the Tech 3 Yamahas missing out on the seamless shift gearbox - either that or they can't afford the upgrade...
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Bwaarp The only reason that Stoner won on the Ducati was because initially Ducati had an advantage when GP converted to 800cc. The Ducati engine made the jump very easily.

Cant wait for racing to start! been really missing this. even been missing F1

I cycled past Kevin Schwantz on the Maratona dles Dolomites in 2011.

Rossi's the best, not Stoner.

Look, all this talk of 'The Best' is irrelevant.

It's Ago:

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By results, he walks it by miles.

So all Stoner had to do was follow the GOAT round the twisty bits while he rode the sweetest handling motorcycle and then Stoner just needed to unleash the beast of a motor down the straight? It is an advantage the Ducati had that no one else managed to harness.

Remember the season when Ducati lost the power advantage and Stoner had to start mixing it with Rossi, those races where he came off trying to battle him and then whinged that Rossi was to aggressive?

Perhaps the difference in handling in the early 800cc seasons weren't that great either as going to 800cc affected the weight distribution, coming something like 4th every season post 2004?

However it is certain that once the Yamaha's caught up Stoner could barely hang with them.

Freddie Spencer is my GOAT

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Harsh but 😆

Comparative Ducati performances prove that.

When did that happen then? 2007 Duc was a vastly different bike to the one Rossi rode. For a start Ducati were fiddling the fuel regs to use more fuel to make it destroy folks on the straights.

I'm not a Rossi fanboi but what you've written isn't true

does anyone else think teeny tiny men hanging off really far and dragging their elbows looks silly?

Bring back Eddie Lawson, now he had a cool position on the bike

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Remember the season when Ducati lost the power advantage and Stoner had to start mixing it with Rossi, those races where he came off trying to battle him and then whinged that Rossi was to aggressive?

Really looking forward to this season. Hopefully Lorenzo won't take another WC at the expense of other riders misfortune. Would be nice to see how he fairs if all the contenders stay fit/ on their bikes for the entire season.
In Marquez, it looks like we have another Simoncelli type rider who is not affraid of ego's or personalities. I can see him certainly pushing the aliens all the way. Hope Bradley has found a class of bike that suits his riding style too so he can unlock his potential.

Interesting second day of testing last night. Same top four, Cal fifth, Bradley up by 1.5 seconds over yesterday and only just behind Bautista, Laverty quicker than four CRT vets.

Poor old Dovi...

Dovi took the money, the kudos and quite simply the choice. I have little sympathy for him in all honesty.

If Rossi and Hayden can't make it work you've got to think it's a pile of crap..

As for anyone comparing the bike Stoner won on to the 2012 i bet there's not 1 single component the same as it was when Stoner last rode it... they couldn't be less comparable if they tried.

In all fairness to Dovi, i don't think he had many other opportunities of staying in the motogp paddock, unless he went CRT. Feel a bit sorry for him really as he generally outperforms his teammate yet seems to get ousted on a regular basis.

Leguna Seca being a prime example.

Great race & I was there! 🙂

Also Rossi finished 6th in 2012 compared to 4th at the end of Stoners Ducati career....hardly evidence for vastly superior ability is it?

I know where you're coming from Weeksy but he was forced out of Honda pretty unceremoniously, got the best results by far of any satellite bike and still ends up flogging the old pony.

I think he's probably cursing Rossi out at the minute!

buck53 - Member
I know where you're coming from Weeksy but he was forced out of Honda pretty unceremoniously, got the best results by far of any satellite bike and still ends up flogging the old pony.

Was he forced out of the LCR team then or choose to leave to get the factory ride on higher pay ?

The interesting thing with the Rossi Stoner Laguna incident is that Rossi left the track and cut the corner and should technically have been penalised - he left the track and gained an advantage. As spectacular as it was motogp penalises the Moto3 riders at some tracks for going out beyond the kerbs to carry extra corner speed with times in qualifying being disallowed and in WSB at Monza they get penalised for cutting the chicanes.

If you think Rossis corkscrew manouver was meant to gain an advantage the same way as cutting a chicane does then you sir are bonkers 😆

I think him duffing up Gibernau was way more questionable.

Dovi should be cursing Smith if anyone, how he got the Tech 3 ride aftet his performances last year is amazing. Dovi has ended up with the shitty end of the stick.

Dovi is now an Italian on an Italian factory bike.. he's hero worshipped in the country

Pigface - If you think Rossi's corkscrew maneuver didn't gain him an advantage then you sir are bonkers

tomaso - Member
Pigface - If you think Rossi's corkscrew maneuver didn't gain him an advantage then you sir are bonkers

It did... but i don't think he deliberately MEANT to end up on the dirt on a 230bhp machine at 100mph 🙂 when pinned on the throttle.

Was he forced out of the LCR team then or choose to leave to get the factory ride on higher pay ?

Not sure he had an offer from LCR for 2013, as far as I know he only had that offer when HRC dropped him after the third year in 2011.

I feel for the guy either way, don't think he's feeling too adored judging from the pics/results from the tests.

😆 It was a good job moaner was on the track as it helped keep Rossi upright by barging into him 😆

Didnt moaner start that war by giving him a nudge with his shoulder passing him down the start straight after that all hell breaks loose until moaner binned it. May be wrong apologies if I am.

Rossi doing that move on purpose is about as likely as Biaggi meaning to do THAT wheelie 😀

If you think Rossis corkscrew manouver was meant to gain an advantage the same way as cutting a chicane does then you sir are bonkers

I wouldn't suggest Rossi did THAT move on purpose but he did overcook it at the end of the straight and didn't have the line into the corkscrew and made the ballsy decision to try and make the corner around the outside and then went inside the kerbs on the next corner.

Should be a good season this year.
Shame Stoner has gone as it will be hard to tell how fast everybody else is going without his yardstick off in the distance.
By the way, who's the best ever?, Mick Doohan of course. He used to ride harder with a 1/2 lap lead than most of the current crop do when 'battling' for the lead.

Last lap last corner. Awesome!!!!!

Marquez is already an alien, (Partly cos he has a factory Honda), but we've seen what he can do and how aggressive he is - I think he'll be up there in all races.
Great seeing Rossi at the top of the timesheets again and the smile back on his face; gotta love him after all the years of quality entertainment he's given us. Stoner was always quick and a joy to watch in slo-mo when he was on the edge, but he never liked a good scrap did he? He was never entertainment in the way that Rossi is. Did you ever sit on the edge of your seat wondering what the **** Stoner is going to do next?

Dovi will be the usual dark-horse, nearly but not quite there - irrelevent of bike.

And MM is an definately an alien.

Doohan Criville is good but Rossi Gibernau OOOOF 😆

Its always great theatre when Rossi is fighting for wins...roll on the first race of the season, can wait for the fist time Rossi sticks a move like that on Marquez.

Or vice versa 😕 Either way, it's going to be exciting!

Marquez is already awesome and looks like he will add some spice!

[url= http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/187841/1/full_lean_ahead_for_marquez_at_sepang.html ]Yup and he's only going to go faster![/url]

Who's the best, the greatest of all time?
Who cares? This season shows alot of promise already- i for one want a repeat of Rossi V Lorenzo at Barcelona a couple of years ago!
I also want Marquez to be right there and Cal elbowing his way through aswell

And yes, i am a Rossi fan (the name gives it away)- and yes i will miss Stoner. He was arguably Rossi's greatest competitor and the only one (except Lorenzo) who could really give him a headache. He didn't fall for Rossi's mind games.

Why do people always bleat on about Doohan ,schwantz,Lawson etc.???
They only rode poxy little 500s in them days !!!

1994 NSR 500 V4 187bhp and 126kg
2013 RC213V 1000cc 230bhp and 157kg

Just messing mate.I loved the two stroke era.I wish we could have them back.
Doohan is one of my all time heroes,as is Rossi but No one can take anything away from stoner,love him or hate him he is a class rider.
Nice to see vale up at the front end again during the testing this week ,I soooo hope we'll get to see him battling and winning races again this year.

Nice to see vale up at the front end again during the testing this week ,I soooo hope we'll get to see him battling and winning races again this year.

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He was doing this sort of thing consistently during the Sepang testing- that's more than i saw him do during two seasons at Ducati.
It means he's back in a happy place and can play with the bike properly, so yes he's going to be back to winning ways this year!

I also remember a photo of Marco Simoncelli at this very corner getting it very sideways in style. Just made me smile to see all the top lads 'having it' 😀

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Sorry to get in the way of your Rossi v Stoner bitch fest but this pic shows what a real man can do on a motorcycle 🙂
J-P Ruggia on a smoking, in every way, 500cc 2 stroke. Those were the days. One minute you're knee down, elbow down and the next second you are on the way to the moon via snap high side!
2013 Moto GP looks very interesting but at the end of the day Stoner didn't want to play any more and had the balls to just walk away. Good luck to him.

Much as I love motogp over the last few years it's been getting processional.They're the best racers on the planet but I much prefer watching the 600's & 250 single classes.
World superbikes Bsb and their supersport classes have all been more entertaining.
I hope Laverty does well on Birdys bike,I thought he did really well first time at Sepang.

I think Rossi is ace, classy rider and very entertaining to watch both on and off the bike. HOWEVER with Stoner walking away it does leave a lot of unanswered questions. Genius move by Moaner either way..

Olivier Jacque was another Frency who liked getting his elbow down, he was also brilliant in the wet.

THAT picture of Marco ~ one of my all time fave pics.
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Casey was the faster rider. The better one too. Comparative Ducati performances prove that.

Can't wait for the season to get going properly as I'm a huge Rossi fan. There seems to be an awful lot of negative comments re Bradley Smith which I find hard to understand. It'll be very interesting to see how he performs this year and I think he is mature well beyond his years and will benefit hugely from the extra power to offset the previous height disadvantage.

I think the Bradley knocking comes from

1 his ousting Dovi in the Tech 3 team

2 He had a pretty pants season last year, mainly due to the Tech 3 chassis being pi55 poor

I hope he does well, doing ok in the times from Sepang.

Oh and I love that Marco photo, still chokes me up remembering him.

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[url= http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/Moto2%20Valencia%20Test%202013 ]Moto 2 looks quite close at the top[/url]

[url= http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/Moto3%20Valencia%20Test%202013 ]Moto 3 surprisingly looks like a Vinhales Salom masterclass[/url]

For me Rainey or Doohan for GOAT (product of my age though probably). In the four stroke era Stoner & Rossi both awesome but Rossi on a decent bike gets my vote. Sadly MGP has been boring beyond belief for the last couple of years. WSB & (even more so) BSB have been the most entertaining. Interested to see if Rossi is still competitive actually racing. I hope so as might make it worth watching again.

Well, it's World Superbikes time this weekend 8) My money's on Carlos Checa but it looks like the Brits are gonna be right in there aswell: [url= http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/results/188115/1/phillip_island_-_official_test_times_combined.html ]Phillip Island Test Times[/url]

[url= http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/188379/1/sepang_ii_motogp_test_times_-_tuesday_final.html ]Sepang Test 2 [/url]

Rain stopped play by the look of it- those Ducati's didn't do too well in the damp like they usually do either 😕

My money's on Carlos Checa

LOL the Ducati's got owned.

Basically the 1098 was probably the better chassis and currently anything Ducati produce's is a load of shite.

I'm sincerely looking forward to watching the idiots get it handed to them by Aprillia and BMW.

My money's on Carlos Checa

😳 Doh! It all went a bit Pete Tong for him didn't it 😕

[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/superbikes-2013-world-and-british ]I started a different thread for WSB[/url] 😉

Careless Chucker.......Pete Tong......no change there then 😆 (glad he's ok though ~ nice guy!)

Seen the timesheets this morning? Cal running third for several sessions, ahead of Marquez and Rossi ~ very impressive! 😀