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I took my van to its MOT on Wednesday, on the way there the handbrake seized on, resulting in a nice glowing red brake disc, so I had to get under the van and unstick the handbrake.
I freed it off and lubricated the handbrake part of the caliper, told the MOT station in case they mistake the fresh penetrating fluid as a leak, and got them to test it anyway as if it passed I could fix it after, and if it failed, well at least I'd know any other faults as well.
It failed, I paid and was given a receipt but no test certificate. That evening I looked on the MOT checker and discovered it was actually categorised as Dangerous as the caliper had seized, so shouldn't really have driven it home...anyway...
After rolling around my driveway for the last few hours, the van now has a new caliper, rear discs and pads. Retest is Tuesday...reading the MOT guidance it just says 'Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects)'. Its repaired and I've still got three weeks of valid MOT, so I can drive it tomorrow I guess? I've already test driven it and of course new pads and discs would benefit from bedding in before another brake test. It doesn't say it needs a retest before driving, so I'm good to go I reckon?!
I think having it tested nulls any remaining time on the original certificate.
It doesn't null perse but it is logged as a fail and you would be opening your self up to anpr tickets.
And queer questions to defend should you be in an accident.
But you have fixed the fault.
Thanks guys. If I put my reg into the checker it still shows a valid MOT for the next two weeks, I only see the fail if I click MOT history...so I think its still valid.
Trailrat...I think you have owned your Iveco for long enough to have had at least one seized caliper by now, if not you are a lucky man. Mine first did it at less than three years old and 20,000 miles, and my old Iveco did it too (turned round to see the wheel smoking whilst filling up at the pumps!)
I'd suggest out would be a harsh officer who pulls you en-route to a booked MOT, with full paperwork in hand, fresh parts visible and rest of van fine.
Just using it for a tip run / work / supermarket though would be a different matter I think, more 50/50 with an officer.
I replaced both my rear calipers in year one.
I don't leave it parked at home on the. Hand brake. Just pop it in gear
I still grease it all up pre mot.
The factory brembo calipers I got were much heavier sprung than the originals and any of the refurbs I saw......350 quid though
Ah yes I remember you upgraded stuff to get matching wheel sizes 🙂 Too risky leaving it out of gear, I always chock it but the drive is steep enough to turn the engine over in gear and once moving, I think it would jump the front garden opposite and land in the neighbours lounge!
Anyway, MOT issue is solved, there is a height restriction tomorrow so we'll be swapping vehicles and she can drive the one that needs a retest 🙂
Just using it for a tip run / work / supermarket though would be a different matter I think, more 50/50 with an officer.
If you have a valid MoT (not out of date) and you've fixed all the faults found on the test, I don't think you'd be committing an offence (assuming no new faults since the test or missed by the tester). The exemption for driving to a prebooked MoT applies if the previous MoT has expired (and only covers no certificate, not driving with a dangerous fault).
I queried this at my last test (failed on caliper) and was advised I could drive it to a place to get repaired then back for an MOT test. This makes sense since not all MOT test stations can carry out repairs. The only fail item you cannot drive on are serious defects which require immediate repair.
Whether you wish to follow this is up to you, IANAL.
If your car has failed an mot it does not have one until you take it for a fresh test. Doesn’t matter if the last cert still has time on it. It has failed full stop. Insurance and plod would take dim view. You can still drive it to pre booked mot test but not use it everyday.
Don’t risk it, get it booked in for a fresh test.
If your car has failed an mot it does not have one until you take it for a fresh test. Doesn’t matter if the last cert still has time on it. It has failed full stop. Insurance and plod would take dim view.
DB - that is not what s47(1) of the RTA says. Contrary to what “everyone” on the internet says insurance is also not invalidated if a vehicle is roadworthy but has no current certificate. Whether average police officer knows this I have no idea, but ANPR should still be showing it as having a cert.
Using a vehicle in a dangerous condition is much more serious than it being out of MoT. It’s also a bit more subjective so I would want a test certificate showing the fault had been fixed (especially for a diy fix).
If your car has failed an mot it does not have one until you take it for a fresh test
Do you have a source for that? See https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/after-the-test
Driving a vehicle that’s failed
You can take your vehicle away if:
your current MOT certificate is still valid
no ‘dangerous’ problems were listed in the MOT
I understood from op above a dangerous fail WAS listed.
MOT’s a funny beast anyway having one pretty much means jack S after it’s been driven out the test centre.
It’s the roadworthiness aspect of it which counts not the piece of paper.
But I’m pretty sure your fail will log up on ANPR so you prolly want to wait till your retest,unless you like a friendly chat with mr officer..(I’m waiting for our resident traffic cops input;-)
I understood from op above a dangerous fail WAS listed.
Yes, it was, and he notes that he shouldn't have driven it home. But the reason he shouldn't have driven it, in my understanding, was because it has a dangerous fault, not because it didn't have a valid MoT certificate.
As stated in the extract I quoted above, driving without a valid MoT OR with a dangerous fault is illegal. They are separate offences and one doesn't imply the other, or they wouldn't need to list both.
Reading RTA s47(1) the only legal requirement regarding an MoT test certificate is that you have one that's been issued in the last 12 months.
But Government isn't as joined up as we'd hope, so if anybody has a reference that says a fail invalidates the certificate, please post it up.