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More Tory nonsense. Imperial measurements consultation

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What’s next, Roman Numerals?


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 7:49 pm
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I for 1 expect so.


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 8:07 pm
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Roman numerals on number plates would get the vote of BMW owners, all those Ms and Xs and Is. MMXXII


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 8:27 pm
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It’s quite obviously a parody.

I don’t think it is

The bit where it says 'assuming Doris is honest'......?

First rule of any exam; read all of the question properly.


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 8:36 pm
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I for 1 expect so.

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Posted : 27/08/2022 8:37 pm
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Not that I think that it would be the best idea but I see not reason why any seller shoulkd be forced to use specific units. If you don't want to buy from them then go else where.
Be aware all you nay sayers that it did work perfectly well and people coped happily not knowing there wasa supposed problem.
Personaly I think a hybrid would be great. A mil is great but there should be something between a cm and a metre ( Yes I know about decimetres but who uses them? A foot does it nicely and is also the same size a size 8 welly.


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 8:40 pm
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I live in Canada and have to deal with all this part metric/part imperial* shit all the time and it does my head in...

But this is also the country which flips the date format from DD/MM/YYYY to MM/DD/YYYY part way thru the same Federal immigration forms, so there's no hope of adopting (and enforcing) one standard

*applies to just about anything imported from south of the border, so lots of stuff.


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 8:48 pm
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Would it? Would anyone ever say eg. 1 gallon 7 pints rather than just 15 pints?

“Just the right shade of Tory blue”?

Also, I can’t find any source at all for that image outside of Facebook.

I meant the maths, not the additional (obvious parody) at the end which I somehow thought was in a separate post.

Must try harder...


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 8:55 pm
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Not that I think that it would be the best idea but I see not reason why any seller shoulkd be forced to use specific units. If you don’t want to buy from them then go else where.

Consistent units makes comparison easier and metric is much better than the imperial system we used to have.


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 9:03 pm
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"mattsccm:

I see not reason why any seller shoulkd be forced to use specific units. If you don’t want to buy from them then go else where. Be aware all you nay sayers that it did work perfectly well and people coped happily not knowing there wasa supposed problem."

Sellers should be forced to use specific units so that consumers can easily tell what they're getting. Using erratic units is a great way to hide the actual cost. Even with just metric it happens- look at the soft drinks section and tell me quickly which is the best deal, the 1.25 litre, 1.5 litre or 2 litre cokes and pepsi? Now add the 2 pint bottle and the gallon...

And yes it did work perfectly well, though not as well as metric- back when everyone knew how to use imperial. Now, generations don't. It's like suddenly declaring everything has to be written in latin, and saying it worked perfectly well in 1000ad


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 9:47 pm
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Or claiming that contemporary written English makes any sense and is easy to understand.

When the **** are children going to be taught that a word starting with the sound of the letter "F" shouldn't start with the letter "P".

It makes no sense at all and just unnecessarily complicates matters just like all the other nonsense in written English.

Why can't written English make sense and follow simple rules like written Spanish?

Oh I hear you say, it makes us different and special and British.


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 10:04 pm
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I see not reason why any seller shoulkd be forced to use specific units

Because Government at the time was trying to make us more productive and efficient, by switching to a consistent set of units as used by most of the world. The quicker and cleaner the transition, the more effective it would be; if it dragged on with 2 sets of units being used that would be even more inefficient.

It's a question of where you draw the line between accepting concessions to achieve whatever is best to raise everybody's standard of living, or maximizing individual freedom irrespective of the effect on the population as whole. The current Government favours the second.


 
Posted : 27/08/2022 10:42 pm
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It’s a question of where you draw the line between accepting concessions to achieve whatever is best to raise everybody’s standard of living, or maximizing individual freedom irrespective of the effect on the population as whole. The current Government favours the second.

Indeed, but I'm not clear on the actual proposal yet TBH.

Will they be mandating imperial units, just providing the option to display dual units (essentially the existing situation) or mandating dual unit display? I just don't get it...

We already have a functional set of units in the UK, mostly metric/SI but we do have a few odd 'legacy' ones like selling beer by the pint or using miles/MPH for our roads when all of our neighbors use Km/Kmh.

TBH everyone gets it, there's very little confusion with the status quo. So what's the bloody point of proposing a (rather vague) change in favour of previously retired units? Other than as another toot on a Dog whistle...

We already have all the 'individual freedom' necessary when it comes to weights and measures, you can use Ounces if you really want, the millennial wage slave on the deli counter might not know WTF you're on about though...


 
Posted : 28/08/2022 12:05 am
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But this is also the country which flips the date format from DD/MM/YYYY to MM/DD/YYYY part way thru the same Federal immigration forms, so there’s no hope of adopting (and enforcing) one standard

There is a standard, ISO 8601. The US has the right idea with MM/DD, it's just that the year is in the wrong place.

Or claiming that contemporary written English makes any sense and is easy to understand.

Squirrel!


 
Posted : 28/08/2022 1:31 am
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We already have all the ‘individual freedom’ necessary when it comes to weights and measures, you can use Ounces if you really want, the millennial wage slave on the deli counter might not know WTF you’re on about though…

It’s ‘convention’ it’s easier to standardise on words and phrases that are commonly recognised.

No when cares if their pint glass is filled in litres or fluid oz’s as long as it’s to the top 🙂


 
Posted : 28/08/2022 2:08 pm
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This is interesting.

https://ukma.org.uk/what-is-metric/uk-progress/uk-metric-timeline/

1977
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A major carpet retailer (now no longer in business) finds enormous commercial advantage in reverting to sales by the square yard because these prices appear to customers to be 20% cheaper than those in metric. Metrication of carpet sales enters into a full-scale reverse. It is realised, belatedly, that a voluntary approach to the retail changeover does not work. Retail associations press the government for cut-off dates for imperial pricing of a wide range of products.

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1980 onwards
Manufacturing industry, which had been slow to adopt metric measures, now sees its export markets shrink as other countries of the former British Empire complete the metric transition. Although this is not the only factor contributing to Britain’s industrial decline, it is a significant one. Hard hit is the West Midlands, the birthplace of the industrial revolution.

What's that saying about learning from history?


 
Posted : 01/09/2022 4:11 pm
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or maximizing individual freedom irrespective of the effect on the population as whole. The current Government favours the second.

Name a government in the last 70 years that has removed more personal freedoms when in office.

Brexit has removed a host of freedoms.
Covid measures removed more personal freedoms than two world wars.
The new women's and human rights laws are misnomers.


 
Posted : 01/09/2022 4:27 pm
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Covid measures removed more personal freedoms than two world wars.

Are you sure about that?


 
Posted : 01/09/2022 4:36 pm
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Tim Harford tearing the survey apart just now on R4 More or Less.

On a side note, check out his podcast "Cautionary Tales", it's excellent.


 
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