More Mac ballachery

You're not the first person this has happened to - hopefully this'll help

https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/48830

That's a great help. Thanks.

Just as an aside, what is the reason for the distrust in the security of iCloud for file synch? Is it a work/data harbour thing?

Just a general mistrust in third party's ability to keep my personal private data secure, or not share all my private photos to Facebook or some other disaster which I just don't need to worry about if it isn't all online. I back up periodically to a HDD.

Oh and also, I don't have broadband (long story), so even though I have a huge fast data contract on the phone, it soon tears through it syncing all that data all the time.

Ok, understood. I thought it was more to do with access to the data by people other than you. Lack of broadband is also a big dealbreaker for any cloud-synch service.

I back up periodically to a HDD.

Leave it plugged in and set up Time Machine - full local system back-up that's saved my arse on many an occasion. Better still have two external HDDs and rotate them (keep one off site).

For me iCloud backup is only for certain files/photos/contacts - never a full system back-up.

Leave it plugged in and set up Time Machine – full local system back-up that’s saved my arse on many an occasion. Better still have two external HDD and rotate them (keep one off site).

For me Cloud backup is only for certain files/photos – never a full system back-up.

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For me iCloud backup is only for certain files/photos/contacts – never a full system back-up.

Same here. I don't use icloud as a back up, but for files that I'm going to need to possibly access from different machines.

For back up I have a SSD that backs up from my main Mac every day using Time Machine. This has saved my arse too on occasion

Backup wise - I have Time Machine, & iCloud for important/sentimental stuff so I don't lose all my files should the house ever burn down.

Anyone got any tips for syncing or backing up photos? Not using iCloud.

One of the reasons i got a mac is that i've had an iPhone for years and use it for taking and editing photos. I thought having a Macbook would make this more streamlined and make it all easy to edit them on a bigger screen etc. But whenever I plug in my phone, half the time it doesn't even detect it. Or if it does, I end up with folders full of duplicates of the photos...

I just want to occasionally empty my iPhone of photos onto my Macbook so that everything can be backed up to my external SSD.

iPhoto (or whatever it is called now) should do that when you hook up your phone. I use iCloud for photos from my camera simply because I have an old phone and it is short on space, so having iCloud with MFA on makes that a useful service.

I think about the only other thing I synch to iCloud is keyring and messages. Not contacts (marginally annoying at times), Nor anything else.

iCloud is perfect for photos.

Take pics on phone - they appear on any iCloud linked device in minutes.

I can't remember the last time I plugged my phone into my Mac!

Unless your photos contain sensitive information I don't see why you wouldn't use iCloud.

The other option is to batch select a load of photos on your phone and AirDrop them to your Mac. Again easy and simple (WiFi needs to be enabled on Mac).

Flickr will also upload your photos to camera roll which is private by default. You need to select which pics on the roll will be public. If you have a lot of pics the first synch is going to murder your data allowance.

I'm never sure I 100% trust Flickr - they have a very low profile now and I've always had this gut feeling* they'd just disappear overnight.

They wouldn't be my first choice of back-up if the photos were important.

*There is no real-life factual basis for this feeling! I used to use it a lot. And their cookies pop-up annoys me - so many options! 🙂

Unless your photos contain sensitive information I don’t see why you wouldn’t use iCloud.

Well not all my photos...

iCloud is perfect for photos.

Take pics on phone – they appear on any iCloud linked device in minutes.

I can’t remember the last time I plugged my phone into my Mac!

Unless your photos contain sensitive information I don’t see why you wouldn’t use iCloud.

Yep same here, always thought it was a great feature.

I also sync notes and key ring as the day you lose your phone could be a bit painful trying to figure out a zillion logins.

Hmm wish I did have sensitive pictures, mine are all bikes propped up against things 🙂

Apple have increasingly focused around iCloud and, if you use it, I've found it super reliable.

Easiest way to get your desktop back might be to turn iCloud on, let it sync back, then move the item to another location which you've told iCloud not to back up, then turn iCloud off completely and arrange as you want it.

Have a browse around the iCloud settings you - you can use it for some things and not others if you want.

Photos has always worked with 'connect your phone and manually sync'. Theres always a risk of duplicates if things have been edited or changed but theres now a very effective 'duplicates' tool in Photos that identifies identical shots and lets you merge them (keeping the highest resolution and metadata from both)

Personally I think the risk of you ending up with a corrupt local backup, or losing stuff because you've not backed up for a long while, is far greater than Apple screwing up. I do keep a periodic backup to disc of my music and photos as well. And really, unless your hard drive is full of 'candid' shots of your partner who's going to be interested in your photos?

And really, unless your hard drive is full of ‘candid’ shots of your partner

Well, not full exactly...

Ah the old backup quandary.

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While it’s true any backup is better than no backup. If you aren’t following the 3, 2, 1 school of thought for data you consider key, critical or irreplaceable then your data is at risk.

3 copies of your data, on 2 different media, 1 copy held off site.

Otherwise you run the risk of fire, flood, theft or virus/ransomware taking out your data & backup.

The other aspect is when did you last test your backups by trying to restore some data, trust me the time to both learn how to restore & if your backups actually worked is not when you’ve already suffered data loss.

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I’m never sure I 100% trust Flickr – they have a very low profile now and I’ve always had this gut feeling* they’d just disappear overnight.

Flickr blew it when they changed hands.

So I set up my desktop how I like it, how I used to have it on Windows, with links to drives, pictures, and current project folders and document folders etc. Then I found out that iCloud was uploading all this to the cloud.

For balance, Windows does this too.

Ok, understood. I thought it was more to do with access to the data by people other than you. Lack of broadband is also a big dealbreaker for any cloud-synch service.

You mean lack of decent broadband?

Apple have increasingly focused around iCloud and, if you use it, I’ve found it super reliable.

Easiest way to get your desktop back might be to turn iCloud on, let it sync back, then move the item to another location which you’ve told iCloud not to back up, then turn iCloud off completely and arrange as you want it.

Have a browse around the iCloud settings you – you can use it for some things and not others if you want.

Photos has always worked with ‘connect your phone and manually sync’. Theres always a risk of duplicates if things have been edited or changed but theres now a very effective ‘duplicates’ tool in Photos that identifies identical shots and lets you merge them (keeping the highest resolution and metadata from both)

Personally I think the risk of you ending up with a corrupt local backup, or losing stuff because you’ve not backed up for a long while, is far greater than Apple screwing up. I do keep a periodic backup to disc of my music and photos as well. And really, unless your hard drive is full of ‘candid’ shots of your partner who’s going to be interested in your photos?

All of this. Because I only take photos with my phone, it’s the obvious choice for backup, plus when I get home, the photos are waiting to look at on my iPad and it’s much bigger screen.
Also, my Mac has been out of commission for ages, partly due to iffy backup issues along with a rather small HDD - it’s actually got two HDD’s, one with the OS and apps on, the other has music and photos on, but it was only 750Gb; the machine is a 2010 Mac Mini, one of the last with an optical drive, which I had swapped out for the second drive. I had a disaster where the second drive failed, and the Time Machine external drive had failed to backup properly! 😖

A friend of many years standing, who looked after all of the computers involved with print at previous places I worked at has rebuilt it, with a 2Tb SSD for the music, photos, etc, plus it’s got two 2Tb external SSD’s that backup consecutively via Time Machine, a sort of pseudo RAID system. I’ve still got to set it up again, it’s normally sitting under one corner of my telly, connected up using the telly as a 42” monitor, but there’s a rat’s nest of cables behind because it’s also connected to my AV amp… 🫣

Jesus this is driving me crazy. So I'm trying to get all my photos off my old windows machine onto my mac. I loaded up thousands of images onto a USB thumb drive thingy, opened the photos app and imported everything. All good, took out the USB drive, back into the Windows machine, delete the contents and start filling it up again for a second pass. Just go back to my Mac and all the photos I just imported have disappeared. Literally no evidence they were ever imported. Where have they gone? Were they even imported, or was it just 'references' to their location on the thumb drive?

Edit: ignore this, I'm a bloody idiot. Looks like I pulled the drive before it had even started copying over... so looks like I've just permanently deleted thousands of photos.

so looks like I’ve just permanently deleted thousands of photos.

just stop with all this tin-foil hat nonsense and use iCloud/iCloud photo syncing

if you don't have broadband for whatever reason just get an unlimited data Sim for your mobile e.g. Smarty

still on the Windows machine surely?

No, not in recycle bin anyway. Think it asked whether I wanted to permanently delete as the folder was so large. I clicked yes cos I thought I'd just imported them to the Mac.

Another thing about iCloud syncing, how are you supposed to sync image folders on a Mac and an iPhone when the storage drive on your Mac is huge and the space on the phone is tiny? I used to build the odd website and do a lot of work with Photoshop, I have squillions of images. I don't want or need all this on my phone.

Today's lesson would appear to be:

A back up is not a back-up until it's been verified.

More seriously if the pics are important, STOP using the windows machine and get the images professionally recovered. Prepare to have your wallet ravaged though.

Another thing about iCloud syncing, how are you supposed to sync image folders on a Mac and an iPhone when the storage drive on your Mac is huge and the space on the phone is tiny? I used to build the odd website and do a lot of work with Photoshop, I have squillions of images. I don’t want or need all this on my phone.

You can choose "Optimise iPhone storage" or something like that on the phone.

It has all the photos but just small thumbnails of them. It'll pull down full versions if/when you look at the photo (if you're using iCloud, not sure if you're avoiding that).

Doesn't sound quite like what you're looking for - but that's how it handles the difference in storage capacity.

Edit - to add the quote as another post appeared before I posted.

Another thing about iCloud syncing, how are you supposed to sync image folders on a Mac and an iPhone when the storage drive on your Mac is huge and the space on the phone is tiny?

Because all the data isn't stored on your phone - it's basically a preview image - there's trickery that goes on in iCloud that pulls down the data when you view an image.

Does this fall under the category of 'user error'? 😂

For photos I just use Dropbox and it automatically downloads all my photos to it when I plug my phone into my Mac

Because all the data isn’t stored on your phone – it’s basically a preview image – there’s trickery that goes on in iCloud that pulls down the data when you view an image.

And music and even your apps. Almost like it stores everything in the air itself. Its witchcraft, I tell you!

I used to build the odd website and do a lot of work with Photoshop, I have squillions of images. I don’t want or need all this on my phone.

My basic back-up procedure is:-

• Work stuff - physical HHD back-up - x2 external and the Mac itself.
• Current Work Projects - the above + Cloud Back-Up (DropBox for Work files as it keeps full copies on all linked computers).
• Personal Stuff - all on iCloud

Does this fall under the category of ‘user error’? 😂

Oh absolutely. I just can't fathom how the Mac organises files and why I can't do what I've been doing for decades and have my files in a folder. Every solution seems to involve having everything online. And if you don't want to do that you're stuffed.

I should be able to find the photos i deleted as i used to back up the windows machine regularly to an external HDD. But i'm still not confident the mac is importing everything correctly. File count from the last pass was 1781 files on the drive, but the photos app shows 1465 imported...

My basic back-up procedure is:-

• Work stuff – physical HHD back-up – x2 external and the Mac itself.
• Current Work Projects – the above + Cloud Back-Up (DropBox for Work files as it keeps full copies on all linked computers).
• Personal Stuff – all on iCloud

Similar to mine but I do extra belt and braces for an additional back up of work files to Adobe CC. I'm paying for it, so I might as well use it. Comes on handy at times when I'm on another Mac Somewhere and can just log onto my Adobe account and work live on all my stuff

@jambourgie - once you get everything sorted and set up properly, Macs just automatically sync everything so you've always got a back up of everything which will automatically sync with everything else

I can understand your issues to a degree, as putting me on a Windows machine would be like sitting me down in front of an air-traffic control system or something. I wouldn't know where to start

The folder in Photos is hidden.

Right-click the app and select "show package contents" They should all be shown in originals organised by dated folders.

I just can’t fathom how the Mac organises files

It's the same as windows..??

I can’t do what I’ve been doing for decades and have my files in a folder.

Sure you can. That's where mine all are.

I think the issue you're having is that you're "importing images" into software rather than simply copying files into folders.

Every solution seems to involve having everything online. And if you don’t want to do that you’re stuffed.

It just needs some thought.

If your photos are in separate folders on Windows just copy the folders and drop them into a new folder on your Mac named 'photos' - bypass 'Photos' app. Macs still recognizes Windows folders and folders within folders and keep things as they where on a PC.

95% of my work stuff isn't on-line. Back-ups are but the stuff I work on is on my Mac.

Photos is basically just a gallery app aimed at personal users - great for some things, shite for others.

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I can understand your issues to a degree as putting me on a Windows machine would be like sitting me down in front of an air-traffic control system or something. I wouldn’t know where to start

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Yes, it's just a learning curve. I just want to lose as little as possible while I'm learning 😁

The reasons I don't want an online solution of storage are many. One is that once everything is moved over this Mac will be going offline forever. It needs to work with loads of discontinued software and random audio interfaces which I don't want to suddenly not be able to use just because the Mac has updated something. It will just be like an offline tool frozen in time.

Perhaps a Mac wasn't the best choice for these goals in hindsight...

If your photos are in separate folders on Windows just copy the folders and drop them into a new folder on your Mac named ‘photos’ – bypass iPhoto. Macs still recognizes Windows folders and folders within folders and keep things as they where on a PC.

OMG THANK YOU

That's literally all I want to do. How do you look at them though?

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I think the issue you’re having is that you’re “importing images” into software rather than simply copying files into folders.

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That is indeed the issue. I didn't know you could just copy files, hence the monumental ballache. So I'm slowly learning that the photos app is just that, an app. Not the default way the mac deals with any image file as I first believed.

That’s literally all I want to do. How do you look at them though?

The simple way is to change your folder view to grid (six little squares at top of an open folder) - and use the slider at the bottom right to enlarge/reduce the preview size.

And if you really don't get on with Photos there are loads of photo viewer apps on the app store which you may prefer.

Thanks

It's looking a little clearer now. I should copy all the files over manually and then let iPhoto do it's thing, if at all.

Abobe Bridge is free too...

https://www.adobe.com/uk/products/bridge.html

...and is a powerful file management tool.

I didn’t know you could just copy files

maybe you need to go back to basics and get (and read!!) a complete beginners' Mac/OSX guide?

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maybe you need to go back to basics and get (and read!!) a complete beginners’ Mac/OSX guide?

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To be fair, I knew you could copy files. I've spent the last few months installing loads of software etc. I just thought iPhoto was how the Mac dealt with images specifically. Viewing, editing, and indeed importing the bloody things.

Did you also know that if you have a list of files in a folder you can press space for a preview & then scroll down using the arrow keys as a really lite photo viewer?

Abobe Bridge is free too…

https://www.adobe.com/uk/products/bridge.html

…and is a powerful file management tool.

Bridge is an excellent tool! I don't know why Adobe don't push it more. I use it as a navigation tool for everything. I use two screens and my second screen just has Bridge running constantly, and I browse, open and import everything via it. I'd be lost without it, but loads of people (some even using other Adobe software all day) don't even know it exists

I didn’t know you could just copy files, hence the monumental ballache. So I’m slowly learning that the photos app is just that, an app. Not the default way the mac deals with any image file as I first believed.

Yeah I really don't think bundled apps on both platforms do users any favours. Like iTunes - my Dad 'imported' tons of music from CDs, but then the iPod broke and he wanted to get at the MP3 files to use elsewhere - but he had no idea where they actually went. Labelling things 'my documents' or 'my music' etc doesn't really explain what's going on. I only know because I've been messing about with it all from the beginning so I know how it works under the covers.

Both platforms are now at the point where they work well but only when you use them the way they expect you to use them nice and simply - if you want to do something else you're in a bit of trouble.

maybe you need to go back to basics and get (and read!!) a complete beginners’ Mac/OSX guide?

A guide to computers generally would be a start and then it should branch out into what Windows and Mac actually do based on the basic principles.

Bridge might be good for me. I really need to somehow tame my image folders. There's so many duplicates or files from different sources, RAW from the camera etc. A mate recommended Lightroom but I haven't got round to investigating that yet. He's a professional photographer though so has to deal with hundreds of RAW's after a shoot. I'm not a photographer, I just like taking photos.

Another potential spot of upcoming ballache is whatever I choose to replace all the Adobe software that used to run on my Windows machine. I thought that with a new Mac I'd splash out and buy PS, IllustratoR, Premiere etc. But no, it's all subscription now. Which isn't happening. So far I've settled on Davinci Resolv for video work. Some of you chaps did recommend alternatives for the other apps ages ago, so thanks for that.

Adobe is fine is you are using it professionally - if you can't cover the £50ish a month it costs you are in the wrong game!

For personal use it's not such good value.

Affinity software suite is the go to paid alternative now.

Does the Mac not support some sort of file sharing that Windows will understand, like a SAMBA share or something? That's got to be better than cocking about with too-small pendrives.

If you have both machines on the same network then you can use scp to move all the files over (I use it frequently between windows and Mac machines)

That's a good shout actually, I hadn't thought of that. WinSCP takes the pain out of it at the Windows end, presumably you'll need to enable something like sshd on the Mac?

Mac is unix, so it already has sshd on it, you can enable it via the GUI too.

The USB thumb I have is quite large (120GB)* so I've managed to do it all quite easily. The penny dropped when somebody said to just move the files over rather than importing them with the Photos app. I just didn't get where they were put, so I was scared they hadn't been imported at all. So panic over, we're getting there... been using Windows since I was a nipper. Just jumping to Mac is quite the learning curve 😉

*bought a few years back so probably considered tiny now.

A mate of mine bought a pendrive this week. It's 1TB and cost him £15. 👀

Wow 😀

Some strange file handling behaviour I've noticed on the Mac when dealing with lots of files. There doesn't seem to be a 'cut' option. As in cut and paste. I mean you can select all your files try command and x but it just copies them. 'Cut' is there in the edit list but it's greyed out. This leads me on to the other irritation; 'select all' doesn't appear to actually select all. But just rather those you can see in the window 🤔

Well I'd love to help but I can't. MacOS has its good points but the ****ing Finder is not one of them. A horrendous piece of software that can't have changed in decades and makes no sense from a UX point of view, and I say that as a software engineer capable of critically understanding UX, not just a Windows user. I mean, you can do some things from the context menu, but not everything. Want a new folder? There's a menu option waaaaay over there in the top right of your large monitor miles from where you were working and focusing, but where does the folder go? It goes in the folder you had 'open' but you're exploring a directory tree and have clicked on one of the other places but is your new folder going there? Who can say?

If I want to move files I open a second finder window and drag them over.

Want a new folder? There’s a menu option waaaaay over there in the top right of your large monitor miles from where you were working and focusing,

Or simply hit Command Shift N, of just option click on the bit that then says ‘new folder’. Either works perfectly well without resorting to the nonsense you’ve just described

Mind-bogglingly difficult and complicated stuff, I know

Sorry Mols but maybe learn the absolute basics before slating it, eh?

I suggest the MacOS User Guide

Mind-bogglingly difficult and complicated stuff, I know

It's not difficult, but things are only obvious once you know them. If memorising keyboard shortcuts is considered "the basics" then the GUI has failed.

(Speaking as someone who is a keyboard shortcut junkie and considers the mouse to be a selection tool.)

Well I’ve given up today. Got everything off the Win machine and onto the Mac so progress. Thought I’d try to import the images again into the Photos app and after much whirring and promising little spinning disks I got the comedy message:

‘12955 files could not be imported due to; ‘unknown reason’.

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Bollocks to it. Computers can get in the sea. I’m gonna edit video on a stapler.

I said earlier in this thread that putting me on a windows PC would be a nightmare as I wouldn’t know where to start after 30+ years of exclusivity using Macs.

That doesn’t mean Windows PCs are shite, it just means I don’t know how to use them

What you have to remember is that us graphic designers and creative types LOVE macs and we’re the most technologically disinterested people in the world. When IT people start talking about operating systems it literally sounds like this to me…

Make of that what you will

There doesn’t seem to be a ‘cut’ option. As in cut and paste. I mean you can select all your files try command and x but it just copies them. ‘

Surely you just click the Delete icon? Or did I not understand what you’re trying to do?

Sorry Mols but maybe learn the absolute basics before slating it, eh?

It's quite an interesting exercise to write up the exact sequence of things you do as though you were writing a manual for a total novice. Stuff that you think is simple and intuitive often requires a long sequence of steps that are not intuitive to a novice. Something that takes you a few seconds to do when you're familiar with it can often take a page of instructions to walk a novice through each step. Keyboard shortcuts are not intuitive and are not a basic skill for an OS with a GUI.

‘12955 files could not be imported due to; ‘unknown reason’.

That's just computers!

I get the same when sending files from my Mac to the software on my PC that drives my large format printer - it just doesn't like certain file names.

...and don't try dropping 12955 files at a time - not many pieces of software like that! 🙂

Sorry Mols but maybe learn the absolute basics before slating it, eh?

You should be able to figure it out without having to be told by someone else. I create many folders a day, I know how to do it, what I'm complaining about is that it's not intuitive. There's a context menu when I right click that contains functions that I can do related to the thing I've right-clicked on - great, this is a good feature. The problem is that on MacOS, at least one (or perhaps two according to Jambourgie) of the obvious features you would want are not in that menu, they are somewhere else or accessed via different means. This is not good UI design.

Keyboard shortcuts are not intuitive and are not a basic skill for an OS with a GUI.

Exactly, especially not on an OS whose supposed USP is being easy to use and intuitive. Kind of silly when fans of a computer who always go on about how intuitive it is tell someone with 40 years of IT experience they need to read the manual to be able to use it effectively 🙂

Surely you just click the Delete icon? Or did I not understand what you’re trying to do?

"Cut" isn't the same as delete. "Cut" removes the thing from its original location and remembers it - like cutting a picture from a piece of paper. "Copy" remembers that thing but leaves the original in place.

Cutting and pasting a file is essentially like moving it. In fact, the file won't move until you actually do the paste.

The cut, paste, delete - keyboard shortcut way of file management seems to be a Windows thing - IME most Mac users just drag and drop files.

Cutting and pasting a file is essentially like moving it. In fact, the file won’t move until you actually do the paste.

So move it, which IIRC is option-paste.

The cut, paste, delete – keyboard shortcut way of file management seems to be a Windows thing – IME most Mac users just drag and drop files.

This is a useful utility for making moving files around easier on Mac
https://dropoverapp.com/

So move it, which IIRC is option-paste.

Oh, that's totally transparent.

If I click on a file in Finder, I can then go all the way to the top of the screen and click the edit menu which has cut, copy and paste in it; but cut (command-x) is greyed out. Why? But I can click copy, and then do option-cmd-v as DrJ says and I get the cut/paste operation. What the hell?

The cut, paste, delete – keyboard shortcut way of file management seems to be a Windows thing – IME most Mac users just drag and drop files.

In Windows, drag and drop works differently if you're dragging to another directory on the same disk or to a directory on a different disk. Cut/copy and paste makes sure you get exactly what you want.

the default way the mac deals with any image file

is often to open it in ‘preview’.

Photos (formerly iPhoto) is a photo/image management app. Similar in so many ways to the one on your iPhone.

If you want photos to manage your images then dragging them onto the photos library in the app will copy them to the photos library folders if you use the default Photos options.

As has been said OP, if instead you want to copy images to a specific folder then you can just do that. No need to use photos.

Did you watch the MacOS introduction screens and those for each of the apps? Sounds basic, but they’re surprisingly useful.

Importing pictures from iPhone. Duplicates can occur in Photos if you have images as HEIC and JPEG if I remember correctly.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201302
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/photos/pht5a3157c1d/mac

Did you watch the MacOS introduction screens and those for each of the apps? Sounds basic, but they’re surprisingly useful.

No of course not. Who reads the manual? That would be far too sensible 😁

So now I have all my images on the Mac. I've also managed to import them all into Photos by doing a hundred at a time rather than 12000.

One of the reasons I want everything in the Photos app is that I want to trim this collection down and want to take advantage of the Duplicates feature especially as most photos have two -ten variations!

Can't see the duplicates feature though. Google tells me it will just appear one day when it's had time to scan your collection.

What a way to spend a week off.

The duplicates feature is shite! Only really works if the filename is the same. 🙂

We only used to bother with that sort of clearing out when installing extra storage used to cost more than the computer itself! 🤣

Greeeeaaat.

Oh, that’s totally transparent

Whereas cutting something but it not being cut, yes, suddenly everything makes sense 🙂

HTH! 🤣👍

It may have got better - I'm a couple of OS updates behind.

Indexing and scanning files does take ages though - it's not an instant thing.

Whereas cutting something but it not being cut, yes, suddenly everything makes sense

As soon as I heard about those three odd sounding words I realised it was an analogy to the old fashioned world of actually cutting pieces out of paper and sticking them somewhere else with paste. The same analogies that were coined right at the start of graphical computing (you know, that thing that Apple fans praise Apple for "inventing" or "perfecting") e.g desktop, documents, folders and so on. Seems entirely reasonable to me.

Also, cut, copy and paste are ubiquitous and not a Windows thing. But they also ubiquitous in MacOS, just not for the specific case described above. I mean cut exists, it's right there in the menu, you just can't select it? But you can still do it with a keyboard shortcut, which is NOT the one next to the greyed out menu item??

I'm not bashing MacOS in general - it has good and bad points just like Windows does - I'm just criticising Apple fanbois 🙂

I seem to have about ten of every photo. I'm guessing this happened when I was chucking the contents of my phone onto my old Windows machine and it would just add a number to the new (same) file. Others probably different file sizes resolutions. So if the duplicates feature is not going to help me here, I'm not sure how to sort this out. I can't go through 12000 images right clicking on each one to 'get info' about which has the best resolution etc. Is there not a way to show the info with the thumbnail? Or at least like Windows with hovering.